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magentawave

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I was all set on buying a full size extended van and possibly putting a hightop on it. But after checking out a van a few days ago, I'm thinking a van would be too small for my needs. (I've owned about 6 vans in my life so you'd think I'd be more familiar with the size, but hey, its been over 10 years since I had one so I kind of forgot! <img src="/images/boards/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />) <br /><br />I am now seriously thinking of getting a clean used <span style="text-decoration: underline;">smaller</span> Class C or Class B instead to be my full time live in and travel vehicle. My plans are to travel the US, Canada, and Mexico alone. I need to carry a 10' stand up paddle board (SUP) and 3 surfboards ranging from 6' to 8', plus my 29er mountain bike. I'm thinking I would build a locking storage box for the top that my boards could slide in with solar panels on top of that.<br /><br /><strong>Question...</strong><br /><br />What are the advantages and disadvantages for living and traveling in a smaller Class C or Class B over a full size van?<br /><br />Disadvantages off the top of my head...<br /><div style="padding-left: 30px;">- Higher gas consumption.</div><div style="padding-left: 30px;">- More BS to break down.</div><div style="padding-left: 30px;">- Harder to park (I'm thinking of getting a smaller one).</div><br />Advantages off the top of my head...<br /><div style="padding-left: 30px;">- A lot more room!</div><br /><br />What are your thoughts please?<br /><br />Thanks<br />Steve
 
&nbsp; Obviously people live and travel in all types and sizes of vehicles and most of them think that whatever they have is the best and it probably is for them so this is pretty subjective. We've had several vans , a pickup with a cap and several small RVs and I'd pick a small RV for long term living over any other option.<br /><br />&nbsp;We lived in a van for a year and the disadvantages were<br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Not enough room - constantly rearranging things<br />&nbsp;&nbsp; No standard RV systems (furnace,water heater , inverter,water storage,fridge ,etc.) which make life so much more comfortable.<br /><br />&nbsp;Advantages were<br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Better gas milage<br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Somewhat better stealth.<br /><br />The RV is slightly harder to park but we go everywhere in it with few problems. There's so much more storage and if it's arranged right everything has it's place. It feels like a very,very small apartment ,much more homey than our vans ever were. The biggest disadvantage is the gas mileage.<br /><br />&nbsp;I think that you are right on track with your thoughts on both vehicles. As far as things breaking down - take out what you find that you don't need or use. Most of the appliances are fairly easy to keep in working condition although they can be expensive to replace.
 
I had a nice 97 E150 conversion van without a high top and I found it insanely confining. It was nice to look at inside and out but even for just camping for the weekend it was WAY too confining. Mind you, the ceiling was lower due to the ceiling air vents, and wood trim. But still. Even without that, it's not as roomy as the Class B van I have now with a dropped floor where I can stand up fully in a small portion of the van.<br /><br />A Class B stands out much less than a C and I think is less prone to leaks. They have a more solid top than a travel trailer, Class A or C which has a lot of wood framing in the body and places for leaks to develop on the roof.<br /><br />A Class C will also require two more tires (dually on the rear) than a Class B takes.
 
&nbsp;I've never really been impressed by class C RV's. Pretty crappy durability and just as lousy insulation, for the most part. If you can get a step van running singles with an inline 6 and a standard 4-5 spd tranny (and highway gears in the rear), you'd get good fuel economy, stealth, loads of room, and a super tough vehicle. They're easy to insulate and outfit. ..Willy.&nbsp;
 
DW and I are avid bike riders, and even when not camping, we used our Class B for day trips as it provided a convenient place to wash, shower, go to the bathroom, change and nap. <br /><br /> <br />Falcon in the Wild by jglennhart, on Flickr<br /><br />Our truck camper can serve the same purpose. It has more room (more necessary for two people and extended time periods), and can be easily taken off the truck and set on the ground - numerous advantages there. More versatile.( You don't need one as large as we bought.)<br /><br /> <br />photo.JPG by jglennhart, on Flickr<br /><br />We looked at Cs, almost bought one, and now we're delighted we didn't. Too large and more cumbersome in smaller spaces (driving). COnsider a truck camper, if you need more room than&nbsp;a van.
 
&nbsp;What really annoys me re. newer campers/RV's is the increasing reliance on particleboard veneers. Talk about heavy and weak!! Also, don't get that crap anywhere near moisture or it will puff up and flake to pieces.
 
Nuttcaze said:
with all the&nbsp;recommendations&nbsp;for Class B's why not also&nbsp;recommend&nbsp;how he can carry the 3 surfboards, Stand up paddle board and mountain bike while maintaining enough room to live inside, lol
<br /><br />Roof rack for the boards and hitch bike carrier.
 
I really appreciate all of you taking the time to give your feedback. Thank you!<br /><br />I don't want to have to rely on finding and then paying for campgrounds so I was really stuck on the "stealth" camping aspect which is why I was considering a van. After reading how guys like George here <a href="http://vagabonders-supreme.net">http://vagabonders-supreme.net</a> who's been stealth camping for almost 10 years in a huge 28' Class C and Glenn here <a href="http://www.tosimplify.net">http://www.tosimplify.net</a> who's been stealth camping for 3 years in a 21' Class B, well, I've come to the conclusion that stealth must be highly over-rated.<br /><br /><strong>I have more questions please...</strong><br /><br />1) Is it true that 21' is the longest vehicle you can park in a regular parking space? If so, what parking tips can you with longer vehicles offer?<br /><br />2) Is it true that many cities will ticket you if you park in a residential area with a vehicle over 21'? And if so, what do you with longer vehicles do?<br /><br />3)&nbsp;The key to George and Glenns stealth success, they say, is to scope out the area by circling around the block a couple times, don't park until about 9:00PM, and then bail out early. Have you found that to be true?<br /><br />4) I was thinking I would build a couple locking storage boxes for my boards and mountain bike. I'd build one for the bike that would attach to the back of the RV and one for the top for the boards. On top of the roof box I would have solar panels. I realize that top box would lower my mpg but I don't know where else to safely keep that stuff away from thieves and the elements. Any thoughts?<br /><br />Thanks again.<br /><br />Steve
 
Good discussion. And helps focus ondifference between class c and class b. will have to consider class b now.&nbsp;
 
Hi Magenta,&nbsp; my answers below:<br /><br /><em>1) Is it true that 21' is the longest vehicle you can park in a regular parking space? If so, what parking tips can you with longer vehicles offer?</em><br /><br />A: I found with both with a small RV trailer, and a large tractor trailer that looking for places to "pull thru" was a great thing.&nbsp; Large superstores, supermarkets and especially Walmarts have so many rows of parking that it's easy to avoid getting boxed in.&nbsp; Watch the parking at Walmart, at the outer edges, and you'll see what I mean.&nbsp; Try to make sure you find a space where you don't need to back out (if you are that large) and one where no smart ahem can come along and park so close to you that you can't pull out when you need to.&nbsp; Give yourself some room. Please DON'T do the pulling horizontally across multiple parking spaces so that you don't have to walk 10 more feet to the fast food restaurant trick.&nbsp; Then I have to walk 10 more feet!&nbsp; LOL!!<br /><br /><em>2) Is it true that many cities will ticket you if you park in a residential area with a vehicle over 21'? And if so, what do you with longer vehicles do?</em><br /><br />A: Yes.&nbsp; And usually before they ticket, the will roust you.&nbsp; But not always.&nbsp; Alternatives: watch signs; find a Walmart, Rest Area, large public parking lot.&nbsp; Avoid nice residential areas or biz areas with sensitive businesses like art galleries and jewelry stores, etc.<br /><br />I spent some time in Seattle last year, visiting a friend in a 'nice' residential area with lots of ritzy apartment buildings.&nbsp; I had a Ford Focus little wagon with Florida plates.&nbsp; I'd been travelling so I had some cargo in the back and had run a curtain across the front behind the driver's seat.&nbsp; I had a small foam mattress and neatly folded blankets to the side of the cargo.&nbsp; I was hassled, even tho I wasn't sleeping in the car.&nbsp; I was there a bit over a week, and after the second day, I was required to move the car every 12 hours.&nbsp; P.E. came and marked the tires and the parking space I was in with chalk.&nbsp; Mine was the only car on the block that was chalked every day.&nbsp; The ONLY thing that made my car stand out was the out of state plates, and the foam pad and blankets.&nbsp; And since my back windows are blacked out like in many cars, someone had to stand next to my car and peer in to see any of that.&nbsp; Some places are like that.<br /><br /><em>3)&nbsp;The key to George and Glenns stealth success, they say, is to scope out the area by circling around the block a couple times, don't park until about 9:00PM, and then bail out early. Have you found that to be true?</em><br /><br />A:&nbsp; There really is no 'key' to this except basic common sense and some experience.&nbsp; It all depends on what type of city you are in.&nbsp; You also need a certain amount of caution if you are traveling alone as a female.&nbsp; I've lived in a cabover in a city park, in a tiny Scotty in a multitude of places, in a VW van (sniff! miss her) in Los Angeles.&nbsp; I'm about to head out once again as a single female, and some of the places I was able to park with husband in tow, I wouldn't park now.&nbsp; Not that I can't take care of myself, but part of a good defense is not making yourself a target.&nbsp; All of this is to say that Glenn and George may not have some of the difficulties that lone females do, and especially lone females not driving nice Class Bs or spiffy Minnie Winnie's.&nbsp; Additionally, there are many places that look OK at 9pm but that get pretty scary around 2 or 3a.&nbsp; Also, it depends on where you are looking, and what city you are in, because sometimes you go out and come back at 9 - 10pm and there isn't a parking space to be had for miles as everyone else has taken them.&nbsp; It's a crap shoot sometimes, but you are living day to day. <br /><br />There's no way to be totally invisible.&nbsp; But that is not the "<strong>point</strong>" of stealth.&nbsp; The reason that people talk about stealth is to avoid notice.&nbsp; Looking for a parking place where no one will notice you, is a "stealth" consideration, no matter what you are driving or when you pull in.&nbsp; If I'd been sleeping in my car in Seattle, I'd have found another neighborhood to do it in.&nbsp; If you are driving a nice Winnie Minnie, or a cool Class B, then you will not stand out in certain neighborhoods, but will be a sore thumb in others.&nbsp; Conversely, an old van will raise alarm in some neighborhoods, no matter when you pull in.&nbsp; And it will look like one of the trade folks in other places. You buy the vehicle you can afford and fits your needs in terms of space, and then decide where you need to go for stealth.<br /><br /><em>4) I was thinking I would build a couple locking storage boxes for my boards and mountain bike. I'd build one for the bike that would attach to the back of the RV and one for the top for the boards. On top of the roof box I would have solar panels. I realize that top box would lower my mpg but I don't know where else to safely keep that stuff away from thieves and the elements. Any thoughts?</em><br /><br />A: Not knowing for sure what your vehicle is, I'm not sure how to answer that.&nbsp; If you are driving an RV, be careful of extra weight on the roof.&nbsp; In both the cabover and the trailer, the roof was always an issue.&nbsp; RV roofs are notorious for leaks, and are not made or engineered well enough to carry large loads, IMO.&nbsp; Solar panels, yes.&nbsp; Surf boards, yes.&nbsp; Heavy locking cargo boxes, not so sure.&nbsp; There are some folks on this forum that have lots of experience in build and can give a good answer on that one.&nbsp; You may want to ask this question in the 'conversion' area.&nbsp; <br /><br />On the other hand, if you have another type of vehicle, like a school bus or a van, you could put some cargo boxes up there.&nbsp; In L.A. folks usually had their boards up top on their vans, just bungeed on, but that was in the late 80's/early 90's.&nbsp; I'm absolutely sure it's tougher there now, especially if you are parking well away from the beach at night.&nbsp; You are right to try to find a way to lock them up, for sure.<br /><br />I'm sure you will figure it all out, magenta!&nbsp; At least you are being smart and asking the good questions before you begin.&nbsp; <img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />&nbsp; Good luck to you!
 
&nbsp;I think stealth is a little over rated too. Our traveling and overnighting style is similar to George and Glenn's&nbsp; except the we don't worry too much about late in and early out. We've been asked to leave just a few times over our 19 years of fulltiming.<br /><br />&nbsp;Parking in a big box lots is easy as the other posters have stated. We visit many cities which involves parking in or near the downtown area for the day. Most of the time this is possible by finding a little used side street and take up two spaces. Sometimes we can stay in a parking lot and pay for two spaces.<br /><br />&nbsp; Parking overnight in a city is a little trickier and we usually opt for a big box store or a public campground. We've stayed overnight on residential streets in Seattle and a suburb of San Antonio while visiting relatives. San Antonio is never a problem.We stay for a couple of weeks on the street beside by mother's apartment complex. We have been asked to move off of a residential street in Seattle and fortunately we could move just around the block. Our tires get chalked and we have to move every so many hours,48 I believe. Most of our other friends and family have driveways which solves everything.
 
Once again, thank you everyone! I swear, this forum has the most generous people on it and all of this really helps in my decision making process here.<br /><br />Willy mentioned previously how everything in motorhomes is made out of funky particleboard. And yeah, I don't like all that ticky tacky stuff either, and especially coming from a background as a cabinetmaker, but unless I buy a box/cube van and build out the interior (which I have considered), I really don't have much choice. The nice thing about buying something that is ready to live in, is that its ready or mostly ready to live in! I'm amazed at how cheap used Class C's and Class A's are going for. Sure, some of them are so nasty that I wouldn't want to step in them, but others have been really cared for and don't have avocado and dark brown everything inside.<br /><br /><strong>More questions please...</strong><br /><br />a) Most used Class C's range from 19' to 28'. The 19'ers are rare with most available in the 23' to 28' length.&nbsp;Since Class C's vary greatly in length (as opposed to Class B's and slide-in campers for pickups), is there any consensus on the ideal length for one human and his toys?<br /><br />b) I was thinking I could eliminate building a locking box that would attach to the back for my mountain bike if I got a Class C because I might be able to stash it in the over cab area. Any thoughts? (Again, its an expensive bike so needs to be concealed from potential thieves)<br /><br />c) What are your thoughts/advantages/disadvantages on a Class A verses a Class C?<br /><br />Thanks again.<br /><br />Steve
 
&nbsp;Buy the smallest that you can. The longer ones usually have a bedroom which adds unneeded length&nbsp; if you sleep in the cabover bed. Also remember that you are not stuck with the furnishings. The bedroom could become a good storage area for your toys. Check if you're considering removing anything because the boxed in areas are often used to house water tanks ,furnaces and electrical equipment. Many people remove the dinettes and install a desk or table along the wall which really opens up the floor space in the living area.<br /><br />&nbsp;One reason for the cheap construction is to keep the weight down. Check the cargo carrying capacity. Sometimes it's very low. Also check very carefully for signs of leaks , a major problem in RVs.<br /><br />&nbsp;A class A will get you more storage and living room in the same length as a class C. Maybe more cargo carrying capacity too. Class Cs seem safer to us because of the engine in front. Riding in an A feels kind of weird. Test drive both before making a decision.
 
Hi T&amp;K,<br /><br />I love your spiffy Class C.&nbsp; Beautiful layout and the celtic knot on the front.
 
<div>I think "stealth" is something you rate for yourself. &nbsp;Only you can know how stealthy you need to be. &nbsp;To say it is overrated is like saying green is overrated. &nbsp;It's a non sequitur to me. &nbsp;And it very well may be something that is affected by economic class as well.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>If you have your own income, retirement, or disability and a nice ride, then it doesn't affect you as much to be asked to leave an area, if you are. &nbsp;You lose what... sleep?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>If you are working in an area, you can lose more. &nbsp;I lost a job in Santa Fe when a security mall cop recognized my cabover in a big box parking lot after I'd been working in a business a few blocks away during the days for a month or so. &nbsp;Just a few days before I'd been told by my supervisor that they were thinking of hiring me because I was reliable, hard working, and a fast typist. &nbsp;Not what I went to school for, but what the heck. &nbsp;It was regular. &nbsp;The morning after the mall cop recognized our vehicle, I was accosted by the same supervisor in front of the entire department, yelled at, and dragged then into the admin offices where I was summarily fired for being an 'undesirable'. &nbsp;Living in my vehicle. &nbsp;Being inexperienced, I had not given enough consideration to stealth. &nbsp;The agency who sent me never sent me on another job, who knows what they were told.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Santa Fe was at that time a small town. &nbsp;Seattle is not so small, and it has lots of different types of areas. &nbsp;Some good, some not-so. &nbsp;In the area I was visiting, there were no 'driveways'. &nbsp;Only upper class condo's. &nbsp;12 hours was the parking limit there because parking there was a limited resource. &nbsp;Undoubtedly if the area had been more middle class, or working class, or had houses mixed in with the apartments, then there would have been much less neighborhood pressure to leave.&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The point is, each city is different, each neighborhood is different, and each van-dwellers situation is different. &nbsp;Saying "stealth" doesn't matter is simply a reflection of your own situation. &nbsp;It may not matter to you. &nbsp;To some of the rest of us, yes, it matters.</div>
 
Angeli .. for context how long ago was Santa Fe?<br /><br />
 
Angeli said:
I think "stealth" is something you rate for yourself.&nbsp; Only you can know how stealthy you need to be.&nbsp; To say it is overrated is like saying green is overrated.&nbsp; It's a non sequitur to me.&nbsp; And it very well may be something that is affected by economic class as well.&nbsp;Saying "stealth" doesn't matter is simply a reflection of your own situation.&nbsp; It may not matter to you.&nbsp; To some of the rest of us, yes, it matters.
<br /><br />I read an ebook I bought where the guy preached the advantages of living in a white cargo van because of stealth and many others talk about this too. So right or wrong it was the "stealth factor" that had me convinced I had to do this with a plain white cargo van. Did you see the links I posted to George and Glenns blogs who have been free camping for 10 and 3 years in vehicles that are not the least big stealthy? It seems their "economic class" had no bearing on whether they were hassled by cops or not. George says he's had the cops knocking a few times over the almost ten years and Glenn hasn't had even one encounter in three years. My point was that based on Georges and Glenns experience that stealth seems to be a non-issue.
 
A white cargo van mysteriously parked outside a residental neighborhood....would be cool to get specialty plates that read "FBI VN4" lol
 
ped said:
A white cargo van mysteriously parked outside a residental neighborhood....would be cool to get specialty plates that read "FBI VN4" lol
<br /><br />You'd need a brand new van.. the FBI isn't gonna be driving a 5 year or older van. <img src="/images/boards/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" /> <br /><br />And anyway, gov vehicles get their own special plates without expiring tags.
 
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