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Matt71

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I've posted in quite a few threads and put up a lot of details about the year long journey my wife and I are planning, so I thought I should consolidate in one place now that I have a better handle on what I'm going to need.

About Us
Matt - 43 y/o.
  • Background: Graphic Designer for 17 years with degrees in English and Photography
  • Likes: Photography, roleplaying games, movies and planning trips
  • Personality: Kind hearted existential atheist with leanings towards his own brand of socialism.
Janet - 44 y/o
  • Background: Mother of 2 grown kids. 
  • Likes: Scrapbooking, crocheting, professional wrestling and country music
  • Personality: Nicest woman you'll ever meet. Sweet, kind hearted and hard working. She keeps me balanced.
Why we're doing this
Janet and I have always wanted to travel. We've managed a few trips over the years, but not as many as we'd like. In 2010 we spent two weeks driving to Seattle and back and it was an amazing experience that we wished we had more time to continue. So, this past summer Janet and I were on a long drive to a photo shoot, and I started thinking back to that trip and about how great it would be if we could just drive across the country taking photos of different people and places without the pressures of a 9 to 5 job and a set schedule. Just drive until we didn't want to drive anymore, and stay somewhere until we got bored with it. I tried working out how expensive it would be to just spend a year or more on the road. Pretty expensive it turns out, so the idea kind of went into storage.

This past Fall I took a class on existentialism and kind of had an awakening of feelings and attitudes that had, up until then, been held in check. I took a good look at our lives, where we were going, and what we could expect when we reached the end. Our days had started to blend together into this deluge of mediocrity, and I realized that if we stuck to our current path we would never be truly satisfied with our lives. 

Being an atheist, I am certain that the life we have is all we've got and that ultimately nothing we do will ever make a difference outside the little bubbles we call our lives. All of this struggling to be good citizens, to fit into this mold that society has fabricated for us, it's all pretty pointless. In the grand scheme of things the now is all we have. The past is dead and the future is merely theoretical. Eventually we will die and have nothing, so why not enjoy the time we have? My point being, something needed to change.

Knowing mine and my wife's personalities and general lack of motivation, I knew that we needed to do something big or we'd just slide back into our routine. But what? Well, jump back to summer and reaproach my idea with I "screw it" attitude and a need for big change, and here we are. 

The Plan
Our plan is to buy a used high-top cargo van and make it livable for two people over the summer. Once the van is ready we'll do some test runs over the summer before we commit 100%. Then, come winter, we quit our jobs, rent out the house, cash out my 401K and head down to Florida where it should be pretty warm. From there we'll head west and circle the whole country. My 401K isn't much, but if we're frugal and can find some work on the road it should last us until August. If my quoting my job doesn't blow up in my face, I am going to try to freelance for the company I work for now doing the parts of my job that can be done online. By August we'll have circled back to Michigan, and it'll be decision time. We should know pretty well after 8 months on the road if van dwelling is really for us, and how we want to proceed. We'll either finish out the year as planned, and start all over again in January, or we'll choose a place we've visited where we can plant new roots either van dwelling, going back to a traditional lifestyle, or some mix of the two. We can only use the 401K once, so a lot of that decision will depend on what kind of work we're able to find.

Our Goals
We have a few things we want to accomplish:
  1. Explore the beauty of our country
  2. Take a lot of pictures of awesome stuff. I don't shoot enough.
  3. Meet new and interesting people
  4. Watch less TV
  5. Get in shape. Eating less and doing more outdoors should make this happen
  6. Find a new path that makes us happy whether that means new scenery, new jobs or something else.
HERE is a Google spreadsheet that includes our 12 month itinerary which starts January 1st 2016.

The spreadsheet covers:
  • Where we'll be staying
  • Average low and high temp at each location
  • Amenities at each location (Electricity, Wifi, Shows, Laundry, Rest Rooms)
  • Lodging costs
  • Daily food budget
  • Daily milage drive and gas costs based on 2014 pricing by month and state
  • Cost of state park annual passes
  • Details on our solar setup
  • Details on our Wifi boosting setup
  • Misc. and wishful thinking expenditures
  • Average monthly budget
You can find a map of our route and images of our van conversion floor plans and eventual progress HERE.

At the moment we're looking at an overall budget of about $30,000 for the first year, which includes buying a used van and prepping it for the road. We still have some saving to do. As usual it all comes down to how much money you have. It may turn out that we're too poor to even start. Who ever thought living in a van down by the river would have a price tag. lol

So, until I get an official blog going, I'll be posting our progress here.
 
Thanks for sharing, I feel as if I know you and your wife better. I'm glad the 2 of you are doing this now instead of waiting till you are old and tired and desperate. I will be happy to see your blog.
 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and plans. I think you have a decent handle on the future. 
I do think maybe you two should leave open the possibility of a Class B unit as well as a high top. 
With two folks you need a bit more storage and maybe space for each other, maybe not :)

Mike R
 
I'm really worried a class B in our price range won't last the year without needing a lot of repairs. If we can get a solid income establish we'll add a trailer to the mix either for storage or more living space, but we likely won't have the money for that by January. We do have a big cabin tent that we can bring with us that we can use for extra space.
 
Two weeks at Wauchula, Florida?

You do know that there is pretty much nothing there but a Wal-mart LOL.
 
Matt71 said:
I'm really worried a class B in our price range won't last the year without needing a lot of repairs. If we can get a solid income establish we'll add a trailer to the mix either for storage or more living space, but we likely won't have the money for that by January. We do have a big cabin tent that we can bring with us that we can use for extra space.

I understand, just wanted to throw that out there. 
 
Mr.LooRead said:
Two weeks at Wauchula, Florida?

You do know that there is pretty much nothing there but a Wal-mart LOL.

Well, that's at the tail end of our trip and will be our second pass through Florida so I'm not expecting to be flush with cash. We'll be staying at one of the Thousand Trails resorts for just which has a shore power, a pool, and free wifi. It's only $3 a night so we need to take full advantage. We have family down in Palatka and Cape Coral that we might spend more time with, but we'll see.
 
That is quite the plan Matt :)   I thought the dream was, to take photos of people and places without a schedule, drive until you feel like it, stay as long a you are having fun. :) Good luck look forward to hearing about your progress
 
That was MY driving in the car trying to pass the time dream. It was the seed. Once I started taking it seriously, and calculated my wife into the equation, that seed grew into the current plan. Seeds are meant to be planted :)
 
I wonder if kurbmaster was telling you what I was thinking, lighten up. I so wanted to say the spread sheet was freakin' me out. Of course I can barely balance a check book.

My little consideration for you, if you go with a decent tow vehicle and you find an affordable camper and you find you don't like the camper because it's to big or to small, you can sell it easily and go bigger, smaller or with a bigger Class C.
I'm not married now but my ex and I were never so happy as when we were out camping. I love to see a good marriage and this makes me happy to see, just like some of the others here that make living small and close work, like seraphim and bindy and us and I guess even bob to name a few. It's hard to keep up with every one's love life. :)
My rig and budget plans are no where near 30 grand. Just saying.
 
Wow, you have had a lot of fun planning and dreaming. Kudos to you. I scanned through your trip itinerary, looks great. Last time I planned a trip to Alaska, to get my wife on board, I presented her with a 3 ring binder containing all the planned stops and campgrounds. She likes that kind of thing. I do this with every trip, it makes her happy. She relaxes once we are underway and the 3 ring binder kinda goes out the window, lol. Then I get to follow my motto, "All who wander are not lost". Have fun with your planning!
 
Matt71 said:
Well, that's at the tail end of our trip and will be our second pass through Florida so I'm not expecting to be flush with cash. We'll be staying at one of the Thousand Trails resorts for just which has a shore power, a pool, and free wifi. It's only $3 a night so we need to take full advantage. We have family down in Palatka and Cape Coral that we might spend more time with, but we'll see.

I am currently just 45 miles south of there and the only folks that would want to make it a destination for two weeks would be migrant farm workers.
 
dragonflyinthesky said:
I wonder if kurbmaster was telling you what I was thinking, lighten up. I so wanted to say the spread sheet was freakin' me out. Of course I can barely balance a check book. 

My little consideration for you, if you go with a decent tow vehicle and you find an affordable camper and you find you don't like the camper because it's to big or to small, you can sell it easily and go bigger, smaller or with a bigger Class C.
I'm not married now but my ex and I were never so happy as when we were out camping. I love to see a good marriage and this makes me happy to see, just like some of the others here that make living small and close work, like seraphim  and bindy and us and I guess even bob to name a few. It's hard to keep up with every one's love life. :)
My rig and budget plans are no where near 30 grand. Just saying.

Dragonfly,
The spreadsheet is half the fun for me, even if we don't use all of it in the end. I'm quite certain that a good portion of the schedule will change for one reason or another, but I like having a plan. We could be a little more loose if we were boondocking the whole time, but I'm intolerable if I don't get regular showers and we both prefer real toilets. Plus, a lot of campgrounds suggest you make reservations months in advance, so not planning ahead can mean not staying where we want. I think what scares people about my schedules is that they assume that I'm inflexible, which is not remotely accurate. I'm more than willing to toss the schedule out the window if a better option comes up. I'm pretty laid back and don't mind going with the flow, especially if time isn't a factor. My schedule is pretty mutable; I work on it every day trying to save a few bucks or cut a few miles without sacrifice. My wife usually won't even look at the schedule until a few days before we hit the road, because I make changes so often.

Our last Disney vacation was broken down into 15 minute blocks - it was great! My wife made fun of me because I didn't put bathroom breaks on it. My family jokes about my planning, but in the end they never complain, because we always get the most out of our vacation and are able to see and do twice as much as a family that just wings it, and have very few regrets afterwards.

I've looked at some Class Cs and they're either too expensive, need too much work, or are not aesthetically pleasing enough for me to be willing to live in them for a year. I also don't want to deal with driving in the city with one and being limited to where we can park, and a tow vehicle will likely mean buying one as the vehicles we have now are on their last legs. I'm not entirely sure how we're svn buying the van right now, because I can't access my 401K until I quit my job. I honestly feel that an extended van with a high-top is our best bet for now and if it ends up not being enough room we can always buy a small trailer to tow later.

The actual annual budget is about $21,000. $30,000 is our getting started budget and includes all of our prep costs. The reason our budget is so high is because it's for 2 people. We need 2 phones, twice the insurance, twice the food, twice the laundry - it adds up. We also have a house that we'll be losing money on and a credit card we'll still be paying off. Hell annual park passes are going to cost us almost $1000 on their own and that's saving us money. An annual park pass for California alone is $195, but it's better than paying $15 for every beach or state park we visit in the 2 months we'll be there.

My hope is that we'll end up spending less, that gas prices will stay low, we'll eat out less than expected, and that our solar setup will work well enough to never need shore power. We'll see how it all pans out.
 
Mr.LooRead said:
I am currently just 45 miles south of there and the only folks that would want to make it a destination for two weeks would be migrant farm workers.

The RV park gets good reviews and we probably wouldn't leave it much other than to shop. I'll likely be using a lot of that 2 weeks to finalize the next leg of the trip
We can always choose to return to the parks in Clermont or Wildwood.

I'm open to alternatives if you know of someplace closer to the action that's cheap..
 
Matt71 said:
The RV park gets good reviews and we probably wouldn't leave it much other than to shop. I'll likely be using a lot of that 2 weeks to finalize the next leg of the trip
We can always choose to return to the parks in Clermont or Wildwood.

I'm open to alternatives if you know of someplace closer to the action that's cheap..

Is free cheap enough?

http://www.swfwmd.state.fl.us/recreation/areas/deepcreek.html
 
Thanks. I added it to my alternates list.
I'm not sure sacrificing the free wifi, hot showers, shore power, a heated pool and drinking water is worth the $3 a day though.
Is there something cool in Port Charlotte or Arcadia I'm missing?
 
Matt71 said:
Thanks. I added it to my alternates list.
I'm not sure sacrificing the free wifi, hot showers, shore power, a heated pool and drinking water is worth the $3 a day though.
Is there something cool in Port Charlotte or Arcadia I'm missing?

There is nothing to do or see in the area of the Deep Creek Campground, which is right off I-75 20 miles north of Fort Myers and 40 miles south of Sarasota.

http://www.happeningsmagazine.net/
 
One of the things I was planning to do on our journey was to do some cave photography and possibly publish a photo book. I did a lot of research, as you might expect, and mapped out all of the cave systems along our route. Unfortunately I think we're going to have to cut this aspect from our trip, or at least diminish it significantly for a few reasons.

  1. It's expensive. Visiting all of those caves would cost us over $600 for the year with no guarantee that we'll make that money back off of prints.
  2. A lot of the caves are commercial and I have a feeling that getting permission to photograph them, for commercial purposes, will be difficult and possibly expensive.
  3. White Noise Syndrome. WNS is a fungal disease that is killing off bat populations in many parts of the country. In an effort to stave off the spread, a lot of caverns are putting harsh restrictions on what you can bring into a cave. Many will not allow you to bring anything into the cave that has been in a different cave because it could be carrying spores, so visiting a series of caves  early on in the trip might prevent me from visiting any other caves. There is a decontamination process, but I'm not very keen on thoroughly washing my camera with bleach.
  4. Equipment restrictions. Most commercial caverns won't let you use a tripod, which is a big issue when shooting in low light. It would be likely that I'd get a lot of unusable images as a result.
There are a few noncommercial caverns on my list that I can still photograph for free and without restriction, so I might still be able to produce some good work. I'll cross my fingers.

Good news is we're saving $600
 
I'm a little like you in that photography is my primary hobby so when I'm going to an area I spend a lot of time researching the very best photo spots. As you know, that is very different from a pretty place; lot's of very pretty places leave you with poor to mediocre photos.

I checked out your itenerary and over-and-over again I said to myself "He keeps driving right past the very best pictures! to get very mediocre ones." It's not your fault, your first trip to an area is always that way.

But it doesn't have to be that way. If you do your homework you can go to the best places and skip the mediocre ones. But you have to do your homework, and it sounds we are alike in that we both love to do our homework to get a great shot. Here's how I do it...

Right now I'm planning a trip to Oregon and Washington so I'm poring over photo guide books showing me where to go. There is a series that I would NEVER go to a state without, they are my BIBLE and they determine everywhere I go. It has a chart at the back where they list every area in the state and rate it on a scale of 1-5 for scenic beauty and photo beauty. I'll go to every place listed as 4 or 5 star for photo beauty, and probably none of the others. I've used it for all the Southwest states and I've never been disappointed by it.

The Editor is listed as Laurent Martres and he wrote three of the books and other authors wrote three others in the series.

Photographing Oregon by Greg Vaughn
Photographing Washington by Greg Vaughn
Photographing California-Northern
Photographing California-South
Photographing the Southwest - Utah by Greg Martres
Photographing the Southwest - Arizona by Greg Martres
Photographing the Southwest - Colorado & New Mexico by Greg Martres

I'd never go to a state without them!!! I also search for other photo guide books and bought a lot of them, but none are as good as these.

What you're notebook is to you, these are to me.

Here is one link to Amazon, you can follow this one to all the others. The first is paperback, the second is Kindle:
http://www.amazon.com/Photographing-California-Natural-Landmarks-Golden/dp/0916189201
http://www.amazon.com/Photographing-California-Natural-Landmarks-Golden-ebook/dp/B00NB5VB9U/
Bob
 
Thanks Bob. I added the ones I could find to my Amazon Wish list. I can't find the Southern California one sadly.
 
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