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I'm looking at a bunch of Road Pro stuff like the popcorn maker/frying pan, oven, slow cooker, etc.

What's one that will do it all instead of having to buy 2 or 3? I'd also like to just eat right out of it and then clean only that cooking appliance.

Not looking to cook much, just eggs, already cooked bacon, veggies and such.

http://www.amazon.com/12V-Sauce-Pan...qid=1396749092&sr=1-4&keywords=roadpro+cooker
 
I have the oven and I love it!! My first thought was that it was a toy but a friend got one and said it really worked so I bought one and she was right, it really works. I just use it for basic stuff, but I have another friend who is very creative with hers and makes all kinds of things. She uses a small pyrex loaf pan inside it. She makes omeletes and meatloaf in hers.

i can't say it does everything, but it does plenty!
Bob
 
I was going to cast doubt on the efficacy of such an Item, but the reviews and a positive report from Bob will silence me.
I do all my cooking with propane.

I do recognize that Ciggy plug. My 12v mattress heating (rated for 6.2 amps) pad came with the same one. It seemed better made than other ciggy plugs. The receptacle I use for it is wired with about 5 feet of 10 awg wire from the fuse block, so It is generally much burlier than most ciggy plug receptacles in use.

Later on I got a device to put inline to measure current:

http://www.amazon.com/High-Precisio...=UTF8&qid=1396762834&sr=8-1&keywords=gt+power

I found that shortly after passing this 6.2 amps at 0.6v below battery voltage, the connector had heated up, voltage after the ciggy plug dropped to nearly 3 volts below battery voltage, and amp draw decreased to ~4 amps.

I removed the ciggy plug connector, I found it was NOT fused within as almost every other ciggy plug is. I removed about 5 feet of 18awg wiring after the plug and attached a 30 amp Anderson Powerpole connector. Now the voltage stayed within .3 volts of battery voltage and amp draw increased to 6.8 amps.

The mattress pad very noticeably heated up faster. Overall battery consumption was an amp hour or 2 less per night.

I bring up this because the Roadpro cookers are resistance heaters same as the mattress heating pad. The higher the voltage, the higher the amp draw, and the hotter the the unit will get. The faster it will be able to cook. something.

The Linked roadpro product draws 13 amps. That is excessive for Ciggy plugs. Most receptacles cannot handle that load for very long, if at all.

Using a better connector, with fatter shorter wiring will increase the performance of such a 12v cooking appliance. Yes, it will draw more current, but for less time. Less battery power will be wasted heating up the ciggy plug and receptacle and the wiring connected to it. More current will make it to the heating element on the appliance itself.

http://www.amazon.com/Anderson-Powe...2327&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=30+amp+powerpole

Note that the 45 amp Anderson connectors will accept fatter wire, but require more crimping skill to do correctly. The 45 amp Anderson will mate with the 30 amp Anderson. One can barely stuff 12awg wire into the 30 amp Anderson and 10 awg into the 45 amp connector.


If you go this route, There still needs to be a Fuse on the circuit somewhere, preferably closer to the battery. Do not trust that the ciggy plug itself has one inside as do most.

I've been eliminating most all 12v SAE connectors in my Van and replacing them with 30 and 45 amp Anderson.

I found the SAE connectors were only good for ~10 amps or less when they were wires with 10awg.

I will now only use ciggy plugs now for 4 amps or less. In fact I don't think I have any ciggy plug device which draws more than 1 amp. I refuse to waste battery power by heating a poor connector.
 
Thanks very much for the info guys.

SternWake, thanks for the detailed explanation. I'm going to need to re-read it a few times to understand it fully. Also, I wasn't planning to use the van's ciggie lighter socket because I remember popping fuses using a coffee type water boiler a long time ago. I was planning to connect one of these cooking appliances to a 2nd battery that's on its own using a socket that would clamp onto the battery with alligator clips. Would I still need a fuse box in between? And does the house battery need to be grounded to the van's chassis?
 
I do a lot with hot water, and rarely cook things like eggs and bacon. So, this might not be so helpful to the original OP. But, thought I'd include my use of a 12v mug anyway.

When I'm stationary, I use a butane single-burner stove. But, when I'm driving, I'll heat water in a 12v mug. You can't be in a hurry tho'. It takes about 45-60 minutes to get the water hot enough. With the hot water I make soup (sometimes with ramen noodles, veggies, canned meats, etc.), lattes (instant milk and coffee, usually w/vanilla protein powder), drink a lot of tea, or even cook meats & beans with it as a thermos cooker (heated, unplugged, then wrapped in a blanket).

When traveling solo, the 12v mug is the only 12v cooking appliance I take. When traveling w/hubby I also take the 12v oven discussed earlier in this thread.

Suanne ... back at my home base after 3 mo on the road
 
if you have small wires and poor connectors from the battery to the appliance, you will pull more amps from the battery. The appliance power is measured in watts, lower volts higher amps, higher volts lower amps. More resistance getting the power to the appliance, equals more amps hours from the battery.
Notice the biggest complaint is that the ciggy plug melts.
 
Suanne,

Yes! Hot water rules. I carry one of those 12 volt pig tail immersion heaters everywhere. Nothing like a hot cup of tea to make a 30 minute lunch feel like a real break.

In the Prius, it seems the water heats much faster in "Ready" mode whether the engine runs or not. It takes about 5 minutes for an 8-oz. cup of coolish water.

Vickie
 
Ever see the skinny wire on an indash ciggy port?? Only thing I use it for is lightweight stuff like cell phone charging. My other ports are done with 10g wire direct to the house batteries via a fused panel.
 
Zil said:
if you have small wires and poor connectors from the battery to the appliance, you will pull more amps from the battery. The appliance power is measured in watts, lower volts higher amps, higher volts lower amps. More resistance getting the power to the appliance, equals more amps hours from the battery.
I expected this too, but with resistance heating it does not happen. The less volts that make it to the appliance, and it will take less amps too.

I've noticed the same thing with some computer fans. My meters are not lying.

The Ciggy plug and receptacle are simply poor designs. Convenient and standard, yet poor designs. YOu can feed the receptacle with 10awg, and have 10 awg from plug to appliance, but there will still be significant resistance, heating, and voltage drop across the plug and receptacle.
The higher the load the more of all three. 13 amps is asking too much from even a well wired receptacle especially for the duration required by some of these appliances to complete their job.

Higher quality receptacles and plugs do exist , but it remains a fact that it is a spring loaded connection. If/When the 'nipple' spring backs the connector out of the socket, then that nipple contact now has an extremely poor connection and heats up significantly. Then the spring loses its spring, and then the device no longer functions.
Here is a Blue Seas plug and receptacle, which have a 'locking' design. I've still never bothered to put this one into use, in favor of the Anderson connectors.
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No soldering required.
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It is only rated for 15 amps, and I think, that is generous.

But no doubt it is a better design than most ciggy receptacles and plugs.

Check out this lesser ciggy plug which failed powering my laptop, max of 7.5 amps.

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Check out the discolored steel spring which is fully compressed.
The fuse is showing overheating damage too. Yet it never blew.

The plug which came with my mattress heating pad , and appears to be the same as on the RoadPro, was made a bit better, with stronger ground and nipple contact springs, and NO internal fuse, which has been the weak point in every design with the fuse, that I have come across.

I am not going to recommend not fusing something.

The house battery needs to be grounded to the chassis, if it is getting recharging current from the alternator.

13amps is also in Peukert territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peukert's_law

Peukert says the higher the load the less overall capacity the battery has to give. Simple math is not going to account for a 13 amp load for x amount of minutes subtracted from overall battery amp hour capacity.

These 12v heating appliances might work well enough, and be convenient, but replacing the energy taken from the battery is a factor I think many are not considering. Also if relying only on the alternator for recharging, you are very likely not starting with a fully charged battery when operating such a device.

Just do not be too surprised when the battery fails.

I kind of think it is irresponsible of the manufacturers of these devices to ask for such capability of a ciggy plug and receptacle.

But it is a hard spot for them. The electrical demands can be met but the standard convenient ubiquitous 12v receptacle, in a best case scenario, is at or well past its limits. Once it heats up it degrades, further reducing its capability to meet the devices demands, on and on, until failure.
 
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