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I'll be staying in my Jeep Cherokee for a bit until I can afford a larger van. I'm worried about keeping warm though. I'm been thinking of possible solutions, but I'm just unsure about this. Does anyone have any suggestions/been through this before?<br>Thanks <img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle"><br><br>
 
How cold is it and what do you have to spend or work with right now?<div><br></div>
 
<b><font size="3">I'm in </font></b><font size="3"><b>NC, so it's kind of mild right now, around 49</b><strong><span id="divTemp" class="entry-title"><b>°</b>F during the day and about 37</span></strong></font><strong><span id="divTemp" class="entry-title"><font size="3">°F at night. But it's going to be getting much colder soon. Right now I don't have a whole lot to work with, but I won't be living in my car until the end of December or beginning of January, so I have some time. </font><br></span></strong><h5><strong><span id="divTemp" class="entry-title"><br></span></strong></h5>
 
<p>I've slept in a cherokee before and I can do so for a bit ( couple days/week )before get'n claustrophibic - as for warmth, I used a "double sleeping bag" and skull cap, and was comfortable enough to get some sleep as cold as temps&nbsp;in the high 30s (above freezing). The double sleeping bag was a down mummy bag inside a cotton filled bag - both zippered. Getting in and out was a chore, particularly in the middle of the night so empty the tanks before crashing for the night! You'll need a decent pad to sleep on, the back of the cherokee is not sleeper friendly! Good luck with the van search, -&nbsp;B</p>
 
What Bear said ... and at the very least a pair of thermal underwear and smart-wool socks helps a great deal.<div><br></div>
 
The old saying is "Cotton Kills in the Cold." and it is quite true. The key to sleeping warm is multiple layers of synthetic, wicking fabrics. You want a tight fitting long sleeved shirt and panst that cling close to your skin as a base layer. Above that a light layer of fleece, above that a medium layer of fleece. Same thing with your feet, a pair of nylon, tight fitting socks under a pair of heavy wool socks. A hat or hood is also a very good thing. The sleeping bag inside a sleeping bag is also a great idea. I will sometimes put a wool blanket over the top of the bag so that it goes over my face and keeps it warm. It will get wet from your breath but the wool will keep you warm anyway.<br><br>Target sells a brand of wicking outerwear called Champion C9. It is very good quality and cheaper than any other brands. Also, consider a Coleman catalytic heater to cut the cold in the evening and in the morning. Also, condensation will be a problem and will give away that you are sleeping in the Jeep.&nbsp; &nbsp; There is no god cure for it. Bob<br>
 
Hi Lindsey,&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Ditto on the down blankets and wool clothing... &nbsp;Although I think a ceramic heater in a cherokee would be dangerous. They need a lot of clearance (to avoid burning nearby surfaces). &nbsp;In my van, i will only put it on the floor and have at least 5 feet upward clearance (where the heat rises most). &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Also, memory foam is not only very comfy, but also keeps your body heat well. &nbsp;Maybe get a cheap twin size 2inch memory foam mattress and cut/trim it to fit nicely in the back. &nbsp;You can roll it up with the sheets on if you need to flip your back seat, back up.&nbsp;<br><div><br></div><div>AJ&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></div>
 
<P>What's underneath you is as important as what covers you.</P>
 
Never heard the "cotton kills.." saying before. DW is allergic to practically everything, including synthetics and wools. Cotton is about all she can stand against here skin.. We did find her a pair of silk long johns that dont set off her allergies, and that makes a good first layer.

Bob's right about the layers, though, although my real cold weather experience was before 'wicking' material. The layer closest to the skin was a loose weave, Loose fitting long johns, generally cotton, if I recall: a lot of air cavities to hold air warmed by your body heat. I generally wore a light long sleeved shirt under that. Over that, a tighter weave wool, such as a long sleeve shirt, and over that a tight wind proof layer. Everything loose, no belts - nothing to constrict warm air movement between upper and lower regions. Suspenders.

If you got too warm, you opened up your clothing and vented - didn't want your clothing wet. Modern wicking materials help here, I guess.

No tight boots. Tight restricts blood flow - warm blood. Same for gloves - multi layered and loose.

Sleeping, an arctic double layer sleeping bag. Inner layer was down. Nice thing about a two layer bag, it not only keeps clothing warm between the layers, but any damp clothing placed between the layers are dry come morning. At night, put fresh clothing between layers and dress inside the bag.

Heat dissipates from your head. Wear a warm cap.

All the jungle condition training in the Marine Corps, and wheRe did they send me? Two winters outside of Narvik, Norway. In tents.
 
<P>Just found a pullover cashmere sweater and a wool blanket at Goodwill. Paid about $7. for both. Dry cleaning the sweater and cold water washed, hung dry the blanket. Will be very warm!</P>
 
Done a lot of winter camping. -10 to -30.<div><br></div><div>In my cap I have a 1500 btu coleman&nbsp;catalytic heater. Keep 9" of open vent at the floor and a window open (6"sq) by the heater. A fan pointed toward the ceiling to circulate the warm air. This keeps the air circulating and remove condensation.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>My bed is 17" above the floor. I have a 3" high density foam mattress.</div><div><br></div><div>Here in Canada all my buddies wear thermal cotton/polyester blend long sleeve top and of course full length bottoms. A pair of&nbsp;acrylic&nbsp;winter socks. No other clothing in the sleeping bag. I wear a polyester medium weave winter cap that I can pull over my ears and forehead. 0 degree sleeping bag with a comforter on top.</div><div><br></div><div>The key is to not to have condensation in the sleeping bag. Warm yes not hot. I keep the zipper open. I tend to roll over a lot.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I still drink a cup or two of hot tea before bed so I have to get in the middle of the night. I find it worse trying to stay cool in the summer.</div>
 
If you can find a couple, hot water bottles help. When we winter camped, I wore cotton long johns with a sweatsuit over it, socks, a hat, and slept on a thick pad inside a heavy, but not tight, sleeping bag with a couple of duvets over me. I usually stayed warm except for my face. The only really bad parts was breathing the freezing air all night and having to get up in the morning. I don't think we were out when it was colder than about 20F, though. But you can warm your car up before you sleep, and if you can find them, remember the old fashioned hot water bottle.<br>
 
Recommend reading consumer reviews - the RoadPros are cheap crap. No timer, No temp adjustments ( it's 'on' or 'off'), no indicator for power or temp.<br>Electric car/truck blankets in general, are battery drainers. Meant to be used while driving, not while sleeping at night.<br><br><br><br>
 
So here is what I have found. When I have shore power, I use a ceramic 110v, 1700 watt heater. (Wall-Market $16) Ceramic heaters are safer, smaller, and more efficient. I have tried the smaller 12 volt ceramic heaters and they just don't put out enough heat. When I don't have shore power I use a 110v electric blanket. (Wall-Market $24)&nbsp;<div>What it boils down to is creating heat takes a lot of energy. It takes lesss energy to heat a small sleeping space than a whole vehicle. Also heated matress pads are gaining in popularity and apparently take less power, last longer, and are more comfortable. 12 volt blankets have no temp control and are always on, where the 110v blankets heat in cycles thus taking less power. Most 110v blankets will not run on a modified sine wave inverter. I bought a small pure sine wave inverter just to run my blanket. (ebay $50) I will do some tests and post the power consumption specs.</div><div><br></div><div>Interesting site:</div><div><br></div><div>http://www.electricblanketinstitute.com/index.php</div>
 
How about a $4.88 kerosene camp lantern from Walmart.&nbsp; This thing puts out some decent heat and may last well into the night on a full tank (I haven't tried it that long yet).&nbsp; Kerosene is like $10/gallon at Walmart but you can get some dirtier grade that may smell a little more but much cheaper at certain gas stations where you have to pump it into your own container. <br><br>Keep a window cracked a little to let the fumes out.&nbsp; You'll lose heat, but it's still good to crack the window to lessen condensation, which is a dead giveaway that someone's sleeping inside. Tint the car too.<br><br>Maybe spray paint the glass of the lantern with high temp black engine paint to kill the brightness it gives out so you don't attract attention and/or keep you from sleeping.<br><br>I would put it inside a big clay flower pot or something to lessen the chance of it getting knocked down, causing a fire. Also the clay pot will absorb the heat and keep it there. Have a fire extinguisher nearby too. <br><br>This vandweller in Cali uses it for heat when it's cold, but he's in Cali so not as cold.&nbsp; He installed a flute type chimney ($150) that they use on small boats to let out the fumes and in fresh air.&nbsp; I put one inside my room that's much bigger than a van to see if it's noticeable....and the room does get warmer.<br>
 
I think electric blankets will be a battery drainer. And car starting batteries are not meant to be discharged completely, especially often. It will ruin their cells and not hold a charge well, to eventually die. Then there's the alternator that will fail because they must work extra hard to recharge dead or near dead batteries each time. <br><br>And if the car's running, it's way better to use the car's heater that's much hotter and also better for the car because it's not working the alternator.... and it's helping to cool the engine...thus, reducing the chances for overheating....especially with a car that's standing still w/o any airflow into the radiator.<br><br>
 
you need to sleep, and be warm. &nbsp;for healing and happiness. &nbsp;that said, you should have no trouble staying warm and dry with a sleeping bag, and some ventilation. &nbsp;will agree with what everyone else says about staying dry. &nbsp;you will not freeze with temperature at below 60 farenheit, if you have a sleeping bag. &nbsp;you can put your coat over the bag too. &nbsp;<br /><br />if you get much below 30 for a few hours. &nbsp;you can get too cold.
 
Wally World sells a 200 watt space heater that doesnt use much power, doesnt get hot enough to cause a fire hazard but should be able to knock the chill off the interior of a JGC. &nbsp;It cost about 12.00 fun dollars and could be ran off a inverter plugged into your cigarette lighter or auxillary deep cycle battery. &nbsp;It wont keep you toasty warm but with the proper sleeping attire and bedding you should at least manage fine enough.
 

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