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I added 
A fan switch glued to the left side of the fan I installed 
Plug glued to the right L bracket so I can plug a power cord in.
I modified my L brackets so I'm not blocking the heat from escaping. 

I looked into installing a external pot but the closest I could find layin around was a 5 k ohm and also it looked like the contacts to the old pot would be very hard to access. 

I thought about very carefully cutting the old blue pot apart and removing most of the blue plastic to access the contacts so I have something to solder my wires to. 
I'm going to think about it more in the future. 


I still want to add a switch to turn on and off the 110 Ac but I don't know how to go about that.

In the future I would like to add a voltmeter

Also noticed a small Black plug with four terminals located to the right of the blue mini pot , it has four terminals and labels on top that read +S   -S  , I don't know what these are for.
 
Definite Improvement.

Good job!

What CFM rating is that fan?  It is great you opened up the mounting brackets and exposed the casing in that area to airflow and convection currents.

Surely the unit will last longer for the increased airflow though casing and likely never shut down to thermal overloading, but one should take comfort that the MeanWell has thermal protections built in, and being power factor corrected generates less heat than a Non power factor corrected charger.

The following is thought for further improvement, not criticisms. Nor required to keep using it as is..

These fans are very negtively affected by resistance/ objects that are too close to the spinning fan blade, especially objects behind the fan.  Since you do not apparently have space restrictions, mounting the fan a but further away from resistance will greatly improve the fans flow, and reduce the noise it makes. Do you have another fan that has failed whose guts you can remove to extend it 1 inch further away from case lid?  This would be simpler than making an extension.

In the following photo.  One can see the transistors on both left and right sides of the inner case.  They generate a lot of heat and are electrically separated from the casing, but use it as a Heatsink.  They use some silicone thermal pads, designed to stop electrical flow but maximize heat transfer.

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To further assist the heat transfer they use thermal grease.  I found mine not really applied as liberally as I would have liked.

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I discovered this when I disassembled mine to desolder the trim pot.  More on this later.

On the exterior of the casing you know I added more heatsinking.  Since these areas  are recessed,  it required a bunch of cutting grinding and filing and drilling, to get them to fit tightly and not obscure the screw heads( blue tape)  which secure the transistors tightly to the casing.  

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I was using what I had on hand.
Had I not had these heatsinks on hand, I would have bought these, or products similar:

https://www.amazon.com/BNTECHGO®-Al...7_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0T6EZHTQ809DV5TX4BJ3

https://www.amazon.com/Enokay-Cooli...7_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=D30RW0VPFSPEJXR9CDAX

And as much of the casing as possible would be stickered like a porcupine with heatsinks but centered at least around the transistors.  Not the Steel lid though.

I think those come with self stick pads for mounting.  More effective without the pad. How much? I don't know.

https://www.amazon.com/Arctic-Silve...476063258&sr=1-2&keywords=arctic+silver+epoxy

Honestly I added the exterior heatsinking at a much later date and after much use, and there was no improvement in performance. It would hold 40 amps to absorpton voltage before and after just as well.  I do not have temperature data on the before, only after, but the transistors have to be running significantly cooler for them.

Another fan blowing over the casing would be even more beneficial with the added heatsinking.  I have a USB source mounted right above mine whan cabinet door is open, and plug in a USB fan and aim it at the MW, but this does not get the flow on the right side of the case on mine.

Kind of looks like you installed a 120v switch on the right side?  I just plug mine into my power strip and plug/unplug it or use the master switch on power strip.

Regarding the voltage trim pot.

Do you feel the need to change voltage often in your usage?  The provided 1K ohm mini trimpot is only rated for 50 cycles.  The unit is designed to be adjusted once and installed to power various electronics, not as a battery charger with different voltage needs adjusted manually often.

My Soldering skills were not what they are now.  After Disassembly of unit for access to bottom of circuit board, I tried to desolder the trimpot using a solder sucker, and cursed a lot. 
 
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If I had to try and remove trimpot in one piece,  I would use gravity and an alligator clamp to exert even pulling pressure on Trimpot while I heated the legs with two solder guns/irons at same time.

But since installing the new Potentiometer, I've learned more, and likely would try and destroy the trim pot and access the 3 legs which I would want kept as long as possible.   Only 2 of the legs need wires soldered to them.  The third is electrically connected on circuit board and does not require separate wire.

Access to the trimpot in its location on the Meanwell is  the issue, and the proper tool to get in there and keep the legs as long as possible.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_...sh+cut+pliers&sprefix=flush+cut,computers,205

I would not change the resistance range, the original potentiometer is 1K ohms, replace with the same.  Full resistance is the lowest voltage, 0 resistance relates to the highest Meanwell voltage.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1K-Ohm-...Turns-Counting-Dial-Rotary-Knob-/161785993268

An Ammeter would be more useful than a voltmeter, but both is better.

This is why i use the GTpower wattmeter.  But the provided 12 awg leads are not acceptable long term at 40 amps.

So I modified my wattmeter with 8awg, but this too is not all that simple, and I have destroyed one with a solder bridge when soldering 8awg to the tiny shunt.

https://www.amazon.com/Power-Analyz...=1476064955&sr=8-3&keywords=G.T.POWER+RC+130A

There is one the WATTS UP clone (Windypower version) which comes with 8awg  tinned copper leads, I bought it.  it has issues, I do not recommend it. It freezes and voltage and amperage jump around wildly when not frozen, and the AH and KWH figures are completely inaccurate.

Do note that when I am not using the MEanwell, I unplug my 45 amp Anderson powerpoles from the battery, otherwise my fans always run and the wattmeter is always illuminated.  The MW has overvoltage protections built in, which one can hear click when the battery is disconnected.  I try to always disconnect the DC, then the AC, and the fans and wattmeter stay  lit/powered up for a half second afterwards.

I do not know if having the MW hooked to DC unhooked to AC causes a parasitic draw on the batteries, other than on mine the fans and wattmeter certainly do.  I also plug mine into AC, then adjust voltage unloaded, then plug in DC powerpoles.

The ammeter is good in your usage as you can determine that X amount of amps means batteries are ~90% charged, and all you are willing to expend generator gas upon.

The wattmeter is nice as it counts to 64 Amp hours( flips to zero and starts over) and you can see how much capacity(AH) you returned to battery, even though some of them were turned to heat.

You could use one of these too:
https://www.amazon.com/bayite-Digit...1476065501&sr=8-1&keywords=bayite+hall+effect

Mine is accurate enough on Amperage, but reads 0.2v low on voltage.
It will toggle between voltage and amperage or both via a small button on backside of the display.

The hall effect sensor means one just runs (+) or (-) wire(s) through it instead of using a shunt. 

Since you will primarily be using this as a 40 amp bulk charger, where it will generate the most heat, the additional heat removal improvements should increase the units longevity and reliability.

Reading the Ammeter and voltmeter or wattmeter tell you when there is no more point to run the generator to recharge the batteries to a true 100%, which takes forever from 90%.

If you do not ever use this to float your batteries and act as a DC power supply, then the voltage pot modification will be of limited benefit.  Just set it to 14.8 or whatever amount higher, to account for voltage drop on the wiring at 40 amps, and use it as a 40 amp charger only.  

Since you have in the past said you are not concerned with charging from 90 to 100% to maximize battery life, then adjusting the voltage to account for battery temperature is not likely to happen either, so perhaps the voltage potentiometer is not really worth the effort of installing in your proposed usage.

Personally, I can and do plug in and seek 100% charged for maximum battery longevity, and I adjust my voltage often and the potentiometer modification is mandatory, and satisfying, and on occasion has elicited a maniacal laughter. 

The little black plug with the four outlets are for voltage sense lines to account for voltage drop on the DC outputs, and I believe a remote for turning it on or off.  I do not employ them.
 
my fan is around 60 cfm 

I'll do some experimenting making spacers , I don't need it quieter but improving the fans air flow sounds good.

I think this charger is going to work well for me especially considering I plan to mostly use it during the cold weather therefore helping it stay cool.
Btw , nice pictures. 

I posted some pictures of my 12 volt remote control setup and the other picture is on how to wire it up , $15 on ebay 
You can wire lights or fans , whatever you want , I've had a few of them and the electronics in them hold up well , all still working , for $15 I figure there giving them away. 
Thanks for all the help , if I do anything else to the Meanwell I'll shoot you some pictures.
 
On your wire diagram I am not clear on what you are doing with the purple wire to the starter. This will not parallel the batteries for starting. The purple wire only activates the starter solenoid. If the vehicle battery is low, it will not turn the engine over.
 
DannyB1954 said:
On your wire diagram I am not clear on what you are doing with the purple wire to the starter. This will not parallel the batteries for starting. The purple wire only activates the starter solenoid. If the vehicle battery is low, it will not turn the engine over.

The big thick red wire is my parallel to my batteries , the  small wire goes from my battery separator to that purple wire so the separator knows when the key is on .
I followed the instructions and that's how they said to wire it , been working good for 4 years.
I use the seperator to keep my starting battery from getting low , I never try to start my van using my house battery.
I suppose in a desperate situation I could bypass the seperator and start it with the house battery.
I think you can even wire this seperator to bypass itself with a push of a button , I know I chose the simplest way to wire it that gives me the basic feature of seperating the batteries and nothing else  , all my systems are wired the simplest basic ways .
Another example is my remote start , its wired to remote start , lock / unlock doors 2 way alarm ,, no added features so no extra wires , but everything I need!
 
I think the purple wire to the starter only gets power when the starter is cranking. I went to the sure power web site http://www.allbatterysalesandservice.com/browse.cfm/4,2706.html
and learned this,

OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS:
ASSIST IN ENGINE STARTING:
When the starter is activated the Battery Separator compares the voltage of both battery banks. If the chassis' battery is lower the the auxiliary battery bank, the Battery Separator will engage, allowing the auxiliary battery bank to aid in vehicle starting. The start signal must be at least three volts for this operation to occur.
 
@ Sternwake , I built a aluminium box that I mounted to the Meanwells lid , the whole thing is removable by removing the the same screws that held the original Meanwell lid on .
Right now the aluminium box doesn't have a bottom on it , I'm not sure if its better to leave the bottom off for more air flow coming in or block that hole and then I would only have air coming in by the output location  like it was originally designed by Meanwell. 

Stern , I was wondering if you ever thought about disassembly 2 Meanwell 500 and install them in a single box to build a custom charger that outputs 80 amps.
I ask because I saw that you were able to completely disassemble and then assemble the Meanwell when you installed the 10 turn pot , I don't have them skills and I would never tear mine down that far for a fear I wouldn't get it back together good enough and over heat it or something .
I don't know if its possible but if somebody could pull it off I figured you could. 

You could probably sale these custom chargers for a profit. Idk

Here's what I had in mind 

Big aluminium case that has heat sinks on the sides
Voltmeter built in the case like Powermax has
Maybe a ammeter
10 turn pot
The big cooling fans that turn on when you flip the Meanwells power on switch
On/off switch
Power plug in

The guts from 2 different Meanwell 500 to run there outputs parallel for a 80 amp charger.
Modify the outputs so you don't have to put the wires in and screw them down but instead maybe have some kind of connectors like them powerpoles you like so much and then you could just plug your battery cables into the Meanwell. 
Or at least some better output connectors like the Powermax has thats able to accept 4 gage cable.

I don't know if 2 golf cart batteries could handle 80 amps but its been said that they'll handle 75 amp charger so maybe 5 more amps would be ok.
 
I would close off the new aluminum box so that the fan is forced to suck intake air across only the AC/DC input/output. 

That 40mm fan that comes with the unit, exhausts a rather impressive amount of hot air on its own.  Its flow draws air in from the front and across the whole interior.  The additional fan exhausting from the lid, actually fights the high rpm 40 mm fan when the loud fan switches on.

My goal was to keep it cool enough that at lower amperages, powering my DC loads and floating my battery when plugged in,  the loud fan does not cycle on and off. In 75F Muy noctua fans keep the MEanwell's fan off to abuot 30 amps total output

My 80MM noctua fan is quiet and only moves something  like  31.19 CFM, but then i have a smaller 60MM blowing inward @17 CFM.  When the 40MM fan kicks on the flow out of the 31CFM fan is cut by nearly 2/3.

If you have another fan, put it under the meanwell blowing upward, into the Meanwell DC inputs,  and around the sides.  Traditional muffin fan's flow is often at steep angles.  Feel the wind flow radius expand from a computer fan, you will find 4 hot spots of airflow.  Basically two of these are aimed away from the heatsource , and are useless for the task. Unless one forces them over the object with a shroud of some sort.

Some fans concentrate the flow with some steering vanes:
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The ventilation can obviously be taken to extreme levels.  What you have done already will promote longevity. Your ~65CFM fan blowing INward ......might be more effective than sucking air outward.

How quickly does youur loud meanwell 40MM fan come on?  Mine takes about 5 to 7 minutes at 40 amps output before the inner heatsink crosses 104f

There might be some paralleling issues requiring a diode separating two meanwells in parallel.  

I have used mine in parallel with a schumacher 25 amps charger, but have to turn the voltage higher and baby sit them while the battery can still accept 65 amps and then begins tapering.

I really do not want to have to deal with the modern consumer.  These manual chargers, these adjustable voltage power supplies need monitoring and a human that understands what is going on and when to turn them off or lower voltage.

If left plugged in too long at too high a voltage, it will bubble a flooded battery to death or perhaps vent/dry out an AGM, because it is not automatic, and everything today apparently needs to be fully automatic, and approved by a team of lawyers, marketed accountants and then 10  forms of bureaucracy. 

And besides. meanwells are Ugly.  no sexy plastic casing and flashing soothing green lights. 

Products now sacrifice function for fashion because humans buy disposable baubles trinkets and bragging rights.

Honest quality costs too much, and the Idea inevitably stolen by someone with access to free labor and no environmental consciousness.

But the COI of the Meanwell itself is China.
 
I have a total of 4 xtra fans layin around. 

If I add a fan with a shroud on its output side and attach the other end of the shroud to to the Meanwells case to shoot air in ,,,, should I still close off the aluminium box?

How quickly does my 40 mm Meanwell fan turn on ?
I'll get back to you on that.
 
Mobilesport said:
 should I still close off the aluminium box?

Yes, otherwise most of the airflow will bypass the components needing the most airflow.
 
Stern 
Thanks for all the help , I have a big box of Led lights  , switches etc. I would like to give you some just to say thanks for all the help ,, pm me your shipping address some time and I'll mail them to you.
 
highdesertranger said:
no reason to yell Mobilesport.  LOL.   highdesertranger

I copied and pasted because I ran past the editing time on my last post , i did'nt notice the big text . oh well get ear plugs. LoL
 
No worries.

It would be better if you would send those items to someone going to the RTR or that Van build out nearby.

I have too much stuff already. Trying to downsize. My current workshop is temporary and has too much crap i have, just because i could't see it go into the trash, but likely will never have use for.
 

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