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I've been worried about this issue too, because I want to have a dog when I start traveling in a few months but of course, I want to make sure it's safe and comfortable. Then the easiest solution of all came to me: don't shop until the sun goes down, duh! I do that anyway in hot weather because I hate the heat. I can't imagine anyone kicking up a fuss if they see a dog in a car after dark.
 
As my dog gets older he is VERY protective. When l park at Walmart or a grocery store..he will let out a low growl whenever someone parks next to me. If they happen to look in the window he will will bark and growl, show his fangs...as if to say COME ON! TRY TO ENTER...SOOO l park away from everyone. Alot of dogs are stolen every day.They say alot are taken from coffee shops, while the owner is inside, getting his cup of Joe.
 
Hi Katie,<br><br>Thanks for posting the article by Paladin. &nbsp;It does have to be said. &nbsp;Here in rural Florida, I see so many little guys in locked cars in the sun when it is really HOT out. &nbsp;And it is very illegal here to leave them, but people do it because I guess they feel they can get away with it.<br><br>I have no desire to live anyone else's life. &nbsp;I have a hard enough time with my own, and really no time at all to clean up other people's stupidity. &nbsp;I repeat NO desire to get involved. &nbsp;<br><br>However, I also will not simply move on and forget a little guy who is in crisis, either. &nbsp;That does not make me narrow minded. &nbsp;Well, actually you can call me all the names you want to, or make any kind of pop psych diagnosis of my inner motivations. &nbsp;I personally am more concerned for the pooch, than I am for whatever anyone may think of me. &nbsp;Generally, dogs are much nicer people than anyone who would leave them inside a locked and closed vehicle in the sun. &nbsp;If one is there, helplessly getting into deeper and deeper doo doo, and no human in site within a reasonable time, then I call the cops and/or the sheriff. &nbsp;I've never had to go into a car, thankfully, usually folks come out when they see the flashing lights. &nbsp;I'd like to think that I would if I had to. &nbsp;No apologies.<br><br>I do know that the older the dog is, the more difficult it is for it to suffer extremes of heat. &nbsp;So I very much agree with shopping at night. &nbsp;working at night. &nbsp;finding a petsitter during the day. &nbsp;It's not impossible. &nbsp;Our local vet has doggie day care for $10 per day from dawn till dark. &nbsp;It's a great deal, and simple good insurance for their health, sort of like having a small savings account with enough money for emergency vet care. &nbsp;We do what we have to when we have kids. &nbsp;These are our kids. &nbsp;'nuff said.
 
When it's NOT HOT...I don't see what the problem is with leaving the dogs in the van for a few hours. I have 3 inch fiberglass insulation in there...no temperature spikes. And lots of people crate their dogs while they're at work. The van is easily the size of 30 crates. Even on this forum, some may consider it animal abuse to leave the dogs in the van while I work, but not consider it abuse to crate a dog in a house while one works.<br><br>When it IS HOT...well...this is the stressful part. 10 dollars a day is great for doggy day care, except that I have two, so that's 20 dollars a day. 600 dollars a month if I work every weekday. Plus, that's the cheapest option in this city. Other places would come up to over a thousand a month. I'm living in a van because I'm poor, and can't afford rent of 500 a month.<br><br>Also, I can't post signs or a thermometer in the window, because I'm stealthing. I'm trying to make it look like nothing's in there. I wish I could leave a note, though, that would probably work well.<br><br>I'm going to try craigslist for someone that will just let me crate the dogs at their house, during the day, provided that they have AC. I figure 10 dollars a day would be fair, and they wouldn't have to do a thing. I have a giant crate for them...it could fit ten of my little dogs inside.<br>I did find a friend who said I can crate my dogs at her house during really hot weather...so hopefully that pans out!
 
<a href="/profile/2067082" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><br></a>My biggest fear is a fire when we're not in the RV and losing our 4 cats to a horrible painful death. I read so much about RV fridges catching fire I'm actually a little paranoid now.&nbsp; The RV can be easily replaced, sentient beings with their own little personalities cannot.&nbsp;
 
rabiesandpeewee, if you're stealthing and worried about blowing your cover by posting signs or thermometer, then wouldn't keeping a dog in a van be a risk of blowing your cover anyway should it bark at passersby?&nbsp; So the signs and thermometer are just secondary measures to protect you and wouldn't be the main cause for your dog being discovered. <br><br>If the dog doesn't bark, then I don't see what's the problem of you keeping it in your van with adequate water, ventilation, etc. since no one would know.<br><br>And maybe get one of those anti-barking shock collars. I heard they work.
 
Good luck, rabies. &nbsp;It's a tough issue. &nbsp;Yes pets cost money. &nbsp;$10 per day daycare, $50 per week, $200 per month, and most probably long term or regular user discounts available. &nbsp;Extra dog, same crate, probably same price. &nbsp;Vet insurance per dog in case of emergencies. &nbsp;Food, vaccines, adequate care. &nbsp;Costs money. &nbsp;Kids cost money, too. &nbsp;We do what we have to. &nbsp;<br><br>Doggies sleeping in vans, fine if they can get used to it. &nbsp;Most can, I think with patience and good training and a loving mom or dad. &nbsp;Doggies dying shut up in hot vans without adequate ventilation or water. &nbsp;Not good.<br><br>Shock collars - banned in most places because they are abuse. &nbsp;I'd like to put them on a few humans I know. &nbsp;Bark collars that make a high pitched sound but do not torture the animal by jolting them with electricity - not abuse. &nbsp;<br><br>Do we keep the animal because they are 'ours' and torture them to fit them into our lifestyle if they have a hard time complying? &nbsp;Do we genuinely love them and do what is best for them? &nbsp;How far are we willing to compromise? &nbsp;Everyone's answer is going to be different. &nbsp;Dogs/cats/ don't talk much. &nbsp;Someone has to speak for them, like Palladin or others.
 
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<p>I'm a bit late replying to this post, but thought I'd share an interesting experience I had last summer. It was early in the season, so not too hot outside yet (maybe about 75&nbsp;Fahrenheit&nbsp;or 24&nbsp;Celsius). But my van has an alarm with remote starter, so I decided to use it while I went into an auto parts store at a small strip mall. I cranked my air conditioner on and used the remote starter to start the engine and run the AC after I exited and locked the van, with my dog on the back seat, and my van also has tinted windows. When the remote starter is used, the tail lights and front parking lights come on, and so do my headlights whenever the engine is on since my van also has daytime running lights.<br><br>There are two other stores in the strip mall, a small restaurant/diner and a store that sells bicycles and sporting goods. It was about 4:00 pm, and not too busy at any of the stores. I had been in the auto parts store for less than 10 minutes, probably more like 5 minutes. &nbsp;I was at the counter talking to one of the employees and out of the corner of my eye, I saw the front door of the store open, and then a few seconds later, someone walked out. It seems that person went up to the store manager who just happened to be near the front door and complained about a dog being abandoned in a van with the windows up and it being such a hot day. I don't know if this self-righteous&nbsp;self-appointed "dog police" person was planning on smashing a window, calling the police or humane society to "rescue" my dog, but when the manager came over to me and asked if I left my dog in my van, I said yes, with the air conditioner on full blast using my remote starter.</p><p><br>I decided to skip the purchase of whatever I was in there to buy and just went outside, unlocked my van with the remote that makes two loud chirps from the alarm's siren (the engine was still running with the AC still cranked). I got in the van and left. I didn't see anyone outside. There were about 20 parking spaces for the small strip mall, and about 8 of those parking spaces had cars in them, with the closest car being about 3 spaces away from my van. I have no idea which store that person was patronizing. Maybe someone parked near my van and my dog barked at them. My dog has separation anxiety and misses me when he can't see me, and yelps like he's being physically tortured. Maybe that's the sound he made and someone just thought any dog left in a car is bad news and that my poor dog was in distress, abandoned in a van with the windows up on a hot day. Didn't matter the engine was one, which might have clued them in that the AC was on and that the vehicle hadn't been unattended for long, nor would it likely be unattended for a long period of time. <br><br>I appreciate people's concern for animals, and I'm certainly an animal lover myself, but I think some people are going overboard whenever they see a pet in an unattended car. No matter what, they always think it's animal cruelty or abuse. It could be on a nice, temperate cool day with the windows open a few inches, or a cold winter day with the engine running and heating system on, or in summer with air conditioning on, it doesn't matter to them. Even if it's just for 5 or 10 minutes to run into a store. Doesn't matter to some people. Some people just take it too far. Of course, if it's clear the animal is in distress (dog panting profusely) and the windows are up on a 100 degree summer day parked in the sun, yes, immediate attention is required. But I suppose it's hard to expect people to make a judgement call. Some people would just rather take action on EVERY incident with a pet in a car. I believe most pet owners are smart enough and love their pets to know what is right, but those few who don't, have ruined it for the rest of us responsible pet owners.</p>
 
Speaking of RV fridge fires, I think the fridges most likely to cause a fire are the 3-way fridges that can run on 12V, 120V or propane (absorption fridges). The compressor-type fridges that only run on electricity are (apparently) less likely to start a fire. But I suppose any fridge, or anything electric in a van or RV can be a possible source of a fire.&nbsp;<br><br>Those 3-way fridges are also the ones that require the vehicle to properly level so that they work properly. That's one reason I chose a compressor type fridge so I wouldn't have to worry about being parked perfectly level. And for a reduced risk of fire. I'll always be worried when I leave my dog alone in the van (with adequate water, ventilation or the heat or air conditioner on), but not having a propane powered fridge that could catch fire is one less thing for me to worry about. I love my dog and don't want anything to happen to my little guy.&nbsp;
 
Hi Travel, how do you run an electric fridge without "plugging in" somewhere? They take too much power to use a battery.&nbsp; What's powering it?&nbsp; Do you leave your engine or generator running 24/7?&nbsp; <img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" class="emoticon bbc_img">
 
RV-Kitty, I actually just bought the fridge a few weeks ago and haven't hooked it up yet. It's a very small 12V marine/RV fridge, a Norcold Tek II. I bought it used for $200 from a guy who used it on weekends for a few years at his off-the-grid cabin. He hooked it up to a 12V battery and it powered up nicely, ran quietly and cooled down fairly quickly. If I bought a bar fridge or dorm fridge intended for household use, it would use a lot more power and not be a good match for van dwelling, unless you always have access to shore power, which I won't. The only picture I have is one I took shortly after I bought the fridge and a new mattress (see below).&nbsp;<br><br>My plan is to get solar panels and at least two AGM 6V golf cart batteries (connected to make 12V). Just starting to educate myself on solar power now. I think a 135 watt panel should suffice, and give me power for my laptop too. The fridge is a compressor model, but since it's made for marine and RV applications, it takes a very low draw of power. Well, that's it in theory. I guess once I save up for the solar panels, controller and battery I'll be able to see if it works out as well in real life. It's a "built in" model, but I will be sure to have a louvered panel on the back for adequate ventilation, and figure out whatever else I can to lower the risk of fire, for my own protection and for my dog.
 
Best not to worry about something that has not happened and may never will be, hopefully.&nbsp;
 
I am pondering getting a dog and I mostly worry about the risk that somebody might bust in the window to "rescue" it. I plan to stay out of hot climates, however. But even at 80-85 degrees, it CAN get up to 100+ degrees inside if closed up. But... I have a screened roof vent, I can run fans and open screened vent type windows where the dog cannot escape from. I'd not be stupid enough to leave it sealed up. <br><br>But you have to remember, people in this country leave KIDS to die in their cars... much less pets.... so I can understand people's concern.
 
Hey Cubey<br>Back when I had a shelled pickup and often 2 large dogs with me, I installed vinyl coated shelving inside the windows of my camper shell so that I could leave the windows open. It not only allowed more air circulation, but also allowed passers-by to see wide open windows while keeping them from messing with the dogs. Between that and careful parking (always shade if temp was even close to 80), I never had a problem with anyone attempting a 'rescue'.<br><br>That said, I came very close to performing one once. This idiot at the stable left his dog in the cab of his pickup early in the morning, windows barely cracked. Umm.. ok. <br>3 hours later he was nowhere to be found; it was well over 80 outside and rising. The dog was still in the cab (no water) with the truck now in full sun, and she was obviously in trouble. Not ok! I got the stable manager, and we made the call to get her out.<br><br>Jackass showed up just as we were about to bust a window and opened the door. As he carried her (she fell getting out of the truck and could not walk) to the nearest hose to cool her off, he had the colossal balls to tell us that it was none of our business, that we had no right to 'interfere' and that he would have sued for the cost of the window if we had broken it. <br>Empty threats, but a bit of insight for those wondering why people feel the need to be nosey when pets are left in vehicles.<br><br>&nbsp;<br>
 
I'm actually pretty amazed by the attitude shown here towards people who are just trying to look out for animals.<br><br>Strangers do NOT know if you've been gone 10 minutes or 5 hours.&nbsp; They don't know that you're responsible pet owners &amp; not some idiot leaving a dog in a hot car to die.&nbsp; These people CARE ABOUT YOUR ANIMALS, yet you're acting like they're doing this just to harass you.
 
The problem is, it can be 65 degrees out and people are ready to bust in your windows...<br><br>It might not be a bad idea to tape a piece of paper to both front windows (on the inside) with your cell phone number so MAYBE people will call you if they are upset about it before they go busting in the window. Have it say "In case of emergency, call ..."
 
I had some people call animal control on me a few years ago. Officer came, saw my skookum solar fan setup, and that the only reason Coco was in the cab is that she wanted to be (could jump into the nice cool camper through the sliding rear window), then we chatted a bit and that was that. He was happy with my setup and I actually appreciated the concern shown for my dogs' welfare by others. Ordinary Joe on the street generally doesn't appreciate my setup without some explanation, so misunderstandings are inevitable. I'd rather see a disgruntled owner than a dead dog. <br>&nbsp;As for the original question.. "HELL YEAH!!", I worry. That's cuz she's the bestest dog in the WHOLE ENTIRE world; universe even. ..Willy.<br><img rel="lightbox" src="/file?id=1628079" class="shrinkToFit decoded bbc_img" alt="https://vanlivingforum.com/file?id=1628079"><br>Gratuitous puppy pic.
 

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