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I'm assembling my beginning power system, and need a charger.  Something not too big, not too spendy, that will charge a 100ah battery in a reasonable amount of time. 
I don't know the first thing about battery chargers, but I'm seeing cheap "maintainer chargers" and expensive "converter chargers" - I suspect I'm looking for something in between, such as this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KNMKRU8/ref=psdc_15707061_t3_B0051D3MP6
or this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000H961YI/ref=psdc_15707061_t1_B0009IBJE4

Am I on the right track?  I'd really like something more compact, if it exists.  Any recommendations?
 
What bank chemistry? Make sure the voltage profile matches, e.g. Trojans need higher than others, while others last longer at lower.

Sure you're sticking to 100AH, or do you want room to grow?

15A is pretty slow IMO, and most consumer-level chargers aren't designed to actually output their rated current continuously for hours.

Iota and Progressive Dynamics get good marks around here. Also marine-rated, Sterling, Mastervolt, Promariner, but spendy.

Just remember quality ancillary electronics, proper wiring, circuit protection etc are ideally "once off" investments, while batteries are the consumables. A properly sized quality charger doesn't just save time but helps extend your bank life.
 
I recently saw Xantrex Freedom HF 1055 "combi" inverter/charger units going used on fleabay for <$200.

Solid 55A charger built in, 1000W MSW inverter "free".

The HF 1800W version includes 40A charger, but usually goes for more.

I don't recommend Xantrex at new pricing though.

And they're not that compact, don't think high output and good quality will be cheap or that compact really, certainly not both.

Other factor is robustness, vs heat, dust vibration, usually found more on the marine side, but also 4x4 "overlander" market.
 
Big picture:  I'm looking for inexpensive, simple to understand and simple to operate components as I build and learn to maintain a portable 12v power bank.  

I fully expect to destroy batteries in the process, so I intend to pick up a cheap marine battery to start with.  Nothing in this system is intended to be permanent, or to power critical life-support systems.  I just want to learn to use and maintain a system before I go off grid and have to depend on it.
I suspect I'll just have to muddle along and learn from my mistakes as I go. I was just hoping to skip a couple obvious ones.
 
DuneElliot said:
I don't know if this is the kind of thing you are looking for but I have had a few good years of use out of mine so far and seems to charge pretty quickly:

https://www.amazon.com/Deltran-Batt...ttery+charger&refinements=p_89:Battery+Tender
Not for a 100AH bank, unless only drawing​ down 10-20%. Even then will take hours just to get to absorption voltage.

20A really is a BARE minimum IMO, higher if a high-acceptance chemistry.

Really for me 30-50A is more reasonable for charging speed and headroom for future growth.
 
I think you have an excellent plan and a very good grasp of just what you need. This may be more than you want to spend but it does just what you want. It's a "smart" charger so it monitors the battery and does it's best to treat it right and extend it's life. It won't be perfect but you seem to be very aware of that and know that your battery may not last as long as it could if treated better. I think this one does a good balance of longer life and very easy to use. It charges from 15-40 amps and should be just what you need. Schumacher is a good name in chargers.
http://amzn.to/2kEoBJf

You did a great job of learning and grasping a very complex subject, way to go!
 
Will you be using any of your battery powered devices when this battery charger is running, or will this battery charger be put on a battery that has NO major loads on it, Like not even a fully charged cell phone?

These garage chargers are not made to power dc loads and charge the battery at the same time. They might get confused at sudden increases or decreases in amperage required to maintain a voltage, When they get confused, they shut off, but there might also be wild voltage swings when loads are removed.

I have a similar Schumacher to the one you linked, but it is dangerous, in that it will take battery voltage way too high at too high an amperage rate.

I am not familiar with the one Bob linked but Some others have reported voltage over 16 with similar shaped models.

How much charger you require is based on how much battery you have, and I assume you will Start with a wally world group 27/29/31 marine battery.

i would get at least a 12 amp charger for such a battery if one has many hours to plug in, or minimum of 20 amps if time is limited.

If you do not want to have to upgrade later and thus spend even more money, the Iota DLS-30 is a 30 amp charger which is fully automatic, no buttons to press. But one does have to Hook up cables from it to the battery.

http://www.bestconverter.com/Iota-DLS-30-With-IQ4_p_335.html#.WKZ-KdIrKQM

The IQ4 in the model name is required for it to be a 3 stage charger
A group 29/31 battery can easily accept 30 amps no problem, and can also later properly charge a pair of golf cart batteries. Which should get a minimum of 25 amps from a plug in charging source.

Now If one is not using a single of the cheapest of group 27 or group 31 AGM batteries, then one can spend a little bit more and get a 45 amp Converter.

If 45 amps is an option, on this initial or future batteries, then i would recommend the progressive dynamics PD9245, either the standard model or the 14.8v model available here:

http://www.bestconverter.com/9200-148-Volt-Deck-Mount_c_227.html

With the 'remote charge wizard pendant, one can press a button and choose 3 different voltages, but it does ntoe require this input, it is fully automatic.

45 amps is a bit high of amperage for a single100AH marine battery to see every single recharge, but it can handle it. The alternator would feed it that much and perhaps much more, if a jumpstart were ever required.
There is lots of fear of fast recharging batteries and lots of misinformation about 'trickle' charging always being best.

If one has all the time in the world to recharge, and the trickle charger(~ 2 amps) will seek 14.4v or more, then it is better for the battery to be slow charged.

But when the battery needs to be fully charged within 8 to 12 hours, well it is less abusive to battery to recharge at a high rate, than to slow charge it and then have to deplete it much further that night.

Also A high amp recharge is kind of like a slap across the face and a strong coffee administered to a battery which is punch drunk from many partial recharges and many deep discharges.

Do not Fear the high amp recharge, except in very hot ambient temperatures with a very depleted battery.

And the cheaper AGM batteries say to imit amps to 30 per 100AH of capacity. Exceed this rate only if one is able to monitor battery temperature when charging from a low depletion level.

120F is too hot.
Converters do Not care if there are DC loads on teh system while charging the battery. this can be a big plus if one is running a refrigerator while charging the batteries and one is using a 'garage charger'

So This could be one of those things where you can buy the better product now and use it later when you get more batteries, rather than spending less for something inadequate for later.

If you go for the converter over a garage charger, one will need to provide the DC cables to battery. once one knows the length of these DC cables, and can order custom cables from here with top quality tinned copper and ring terminals.

A 4 foot 4 AWG cable with a 1/4 inch ring terminal on Only one end is 11.02$
http://www.genuinedealz.com/4-awg-custom-battery-cables

This is a great price for top quality cable professionally crimped with adhesive lined thick wall heat shrink tubing, with free shipping. Many miles better than a 4 gauge SAE cable sold in auto parts stores, for a similar price.

The end which goes into teh IOTA, one simply removes about 1/2 inch of wire insulation inserts it into the receptacle, and Tightens a Hex or slotted screw down on the stranding. There should be an inline fuse rated to protect the wire Gauge chosen. One choses gauge based on length needed, and for minimal voltage drop at the converter maximum amperage output, but I would not go thinner than 8 awg for 45 amps, and 4AWG would be much better, but kind of overkill

If you later get a pair of golf cart batteries, getting the Iota DLS-30 or PD9245 now will be less expensive than having to buy something lesser now and then getting the 30 or 45 amp converter later.
 
The Iota I used to have had square head screws, not hex or slotted. Just a warning you may have to procure a specialized tool. Some dollar store hex drive tools have this. Home depot had them in electrical, not in tools.
 
Thank you all for the information and advice, probably way more than I can grasp or use ;)
apparently my definition of "inexpensive" differs from most
 
Initially Inexpensive usually winds up costing more, it is just a matter of time, and then one spends what they should have in the first place on the better product.

A battery charger can over or undercharge, either of which can take the battery down prematurely.

Too high a voltage applied when battery is still connected to vehicle can damage vehicle computer/ electronics.

The following charger is popular on Automotive forums, with those who occassionally charge depleted batteries in their garage:

https://www.amazon.com/SOLAR-PL2520-Pro-Logix-Battery-Charger/dp/B007ESQW08?th=1

I've no personal experience with it, but have corresponded with someone who has one and got the tools to observe it as it charges, and it seems to do a pretty good job

2 10 and 20 amps are respectable amperage settings.

I'd personally prefer to spend double for the Iota's 30 amps or PD's 45 amps as they are burlier units, without the sleek sexy casing with those soothing LEDs and buttons.
 
In terms of compact, and inexpensive for those who do not mind some DIY and a manual approach:

33 amps

https://www.amazon.com/MegaWatt-S-350-12-9-5-15-Adjustable-Supply/dp/B00JZBE97U

This is an adjustable voltage power supply that measures less than 2 inches thick 5 inches wide and 9 inches long. Very compact, especially for 30+ amps output.

however, it is not fully automatic. it will bring the battery to the chosen voltage at 33 amps, and then hold it there as long as it receives 115vAC power. One also needs to provide the DC cables to battery, and the fan will be loud when it is making 10+ amps.

If one wanted some autonomy, hook it to a spring wound timer. 4 to 6 hours set at 14.5v should get a well depleted 100AH battery close to full charge.
https://www.amazon.com/Intermatic-FF6H-6-Hour-Plastic-Brushed/dp/B000B8WJZU

I use something similar, a meanwell rsp-500-15 that I have modified with more ventilation and heatsinking and a wattmeter and a bigger voltage adjustment knob. Its appearance is quite Ugly, its capability is unmatched and allows me to achieve excellent battery longevity and performance
 
Nice, really like the ability to precisely set a custom voltage.

If a large AH, say 200+ AH high-acceptance bank at low SoC were trying to pull more amps than the unit is able to supply, what happens?

Ideally it would just limit the current supplied.

Also, can you think of a cut-off device one could set to open/disconnect when the current drops below a set point, e.g. half an amp?

I know ones that could do it based on voltage level+time delay, but current would be better.
 
ok all these links are not good, sorry to be contentious folks.

a power supply is not a charger and they're not current limited which means they can fry, the battery tender is a paltry 1.25, and car chargers dont output bulk phase charging. they say 20 amps but you get a tappered output based on state of charge. that is not what you want.

you need a real 3-stage charger. the best one I have found is the meanwell hep-600c with adjustable voltage.
 
bardo said:
car chargers don't output bulk phase charging

What is that supposed to mean?

To me, bulk charging is constant (maximum) current from a lower voltage up to the constant voltage setpoint, after which comes absorption.

Every multi-stage charger out there by definition does this. AFAIK


bardo said:
they say 20 amps but you get a tapered output based on state of charge. that is not what you want.

Whether you want it or not that's what you get. The charging device offers a voltage, the load current is determined in lead chemistry by the SoC of the battery being charged. That is inherent in the chemistry.

High-acceptance lead variants like AGM will pull higher amps, but all lead when getting full cannot accept as much as when < 50%. The last 80-100% will always take a **lot** longer than say 50-70%.

And chargers can only try to "push" a higher current by raising the voltage, which can cause damage if above spec.

Not saying the Meanwell isn't a great device, just that it won't overcome the laws of physics.

And OP has made pretty clear he doesn't want to spend $200 ATM.
 
You answered your own question in the first part.

"Smart chargers" are simply absorption chargers with LCD and an engine start mode. They output a constant voltage with a varying current from 0-100% SOC. They do not output a constant current and bring the voltage up to peak. I have one.

If he doesnt spend $200 he's either getting an absorption charger, a DC power supply, or a way to low of amp rate charger....so far.

Another option is an RV converter charger but they have a fixed absorption voltage at 14.4v
 
The MegaWatt I listed has constant current on overload protection, As does my Meanwell rsp-500-15 which has hundreds of hours at 40 amps max output chargine my battery, and thousands of hours at lesser amperages at ANY voltage I choose between 13.12 and 19.23.





Other power supplies might have rollback current protection on overload< or Hiccup protection where it shuts off until overload is removed.

These are not good for use as a battery charger, but can possibly be utilized on a battery that is 90% or more charged, meaning it cannot ask for more than the power supply is rated for.

Some lesser cheaper powersupplies exist whose exteriors look nearly exactly like the megawatt or Some Meanwell models.  They might even advertise haveing overload and overvoltage and overtemperature protections built in.  I would not believe such claims if the power supply cost less than 40$.


Before my Meanwell acquisition, i had such a cheap power supply rated at 30 amps.  but hook it to a depleted battery and it was making clicking noises and going as high as 38 amps.

Reducing the voltage poterntiometer to output less than 36 amps kept the clicking at bay.

Eventually i got tired of havnig to bump up voltage as the battery charged, and I just set it to 14.9v, hooked it to a depleted battery and let it click away.  it lasted 17 minutes before it Smoked itself.

Then I ordered the Meanwell RSP-500-15, and modified it with more ventilation, heatsinking, a watttmeter and a 10 turn voltage potentiometer and it will simply kicK the ass of any other 40 amp charging source in sheer ability.

Smart chargers are anything but.

On a regularly deeply cycled battery they are  going to drop out of absorption voltage prematurely 98% of the time.  

As the battery needs the occassional true full recharge to last a long time, these well marketed 3 or 5 or 8 or 22 stage 'smart' chargers are going to lead to the premature demise of a regularly deeply cycled battery used sucj as the average rv dweller will use it.

If anybody wants to believe otherwise about their special smart charger, Deeply cycle your battery, then charge it on your 'smart' 32 stage whizz bang charger until it claims it is full, then Dip an accurate hydrometer, and you will find the Specific gravity very likely not at 1.275 when it first flashes the green light and drops to float mode.

if left in float mode long enough it should be able to get to 1.275+, given a healthy battery to begin with, and enough time, Like another 24-36 hours more at 13.2v what would have taken 14.7v another hour or 2.

Most Automatic smart Chargers under 200$ simply will cause premature sulfation and death of a battery when it is the only charging source used on a Van dweller's battery, but the green lights fill their owners with warm and fuzzies, then when the battery fails they blame the battery and the battery retailer.

These adjustable voltage power supplies with constant current limiting on overload require a human be there ti turn it off, or lower voltage, when the battery is indeed full.

Whenever anybody has access to grid power, it is a crime if their battery charger does not actually fully charge the battery, and that is precisely what is going to happen with these garage chargers designed for occassional  use on a starter battery.

NOw one can achievefull charge with these smart chargers, but it requires adding a large load to drop battery voltage, and then restarting the charger.  Multiple attempts will likely be required before Specific gravity on all cells reaches 1.275+ or on an AGM, when amps taper to 0.5% of capacity at Absorption voltagr.

Good luck figurinG that out when you can't get thE 'SMART' charging source to hold absorption voltaGE.

BTW, all modern smart chargers are simply power supplies, with different output levels and different voltage setpoints for different batteries such as flooded and AGM and Gel.

But the automatic algorithms simply are not adequate for properly charging a regularly deeply cycled battery to full on th efirst go, as time to hold absorption voltage is always changing, and few of them are amperage based, instead using an Eggtimer.
 
bardo said:
"Smart chargers" are simply absorption chargers with LCD and an engine start mode. They output a constant voltage with a varying current from 0-100% SOC. They do not output a constant current and bring the voltage up to peak. I have one.

That just doesn't align with my experience, every description of the many (most?) chargers out there using the phrase emphasizes the multi-stage aspect as being its definition. And every charger with that label (or "intelligent") discussed here appears to be multi-stage.

In fact fixed voltage output seems to be the definition of **dumb** charger, but admittedly usually where that voltage is lower than what lead needs for full charging.

And once the battery is connected to the charger output, isn't it the case that the SoC of the battery is dictating the voltage of the combined circuit? No matter what the charger might be trying, the actual measured voltage won't get up to the CV spec until the battery's SoC is up around 70-80%?

Please specify the model smart charger that you own.


bardo said:
"If he doesn't spend $200 he's either getting an absorption charger, a DC power supply, or a way too low of amp rate charger....so far.
Do you consider 15-20A "way too low" for FLA at 100AH?

I personally would say "a bit low" and then really for higher acceptance rate chemistries. Would prefer 30A as a minimum myself in any case, but not at the expense of quality if I had to economize.
 
John61CT said:
That just doesn't align with my experience, every description of the many (most?) chargers out there using the phrase emphasizes the multi-stage aspect as being its definition. And every charger with that label (or "intelligent")  discussed here appears to be multi-stage.

In fact fixed voltage output seems to be the definition of **dumb** charger, but admittedly usually where that voltage is lower than what lead needs for full charging.

And once the battery is connected to the charger output, isn't it the case that the SoC of the battery is dictating the voltage of the combined circuit? No matter what the charger might be trying, the actual measured voltage won't get up to the CV spec until the battery's SoC is up around 70-80%?

Please specify the model smart charger that you own.


Do you consider 15-20A "way too low" for FLA at 100AH?

I personally would say "a bit low" and then really for higher acceptance rate chemistries. Would prefer 30A as a minimum myself in any case, but not at the expense of quality if I had to economize.

It's called marketing. They're not real chargers for deep cycle banks, they're just starting battery chargers with bells and whistles. Go look at the spec sheets for that charger. It's calling it "multi-stage" (note not 3-stage) because it trickles.

You cannot just make the assumption because it says 20 AMPS!!! that it's the same thing as a deep cycle bulk charger. I could make you a video if I felt like it. I have a black and decker something "40A multi-stage smart charger"

It is NOT a bulk charger. It ouputs 14.8v and merely tapers amperage off. I have never, ever, ever seen it come close to 40A.


"a bit low" is the 1.25a linked on page 1
 
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