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Van-Tramp

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This is the camp of my "neighbors". The mess has caused the City Code Enforcement Officer to come out. Unfortunately, their poor etiquette may also cause the city to come down on me too. Please think about how your own camp may effect others around you, not only today but later down the road.

All the "no camping" ordinances were created because of exactly what you see in the picture.
 
Dang, don't they know the "Occupy" movement has come and gone?! :p That looks way worse than simply pitching a tent.

That's almost as bad as seeing a Class A RV parked at Walmart taking up 2 to 3 parking spaces with sliders out in place. Yes, I've seen that with my own eyes.
 
2 cats actually, and they "found" a dog too.

So, 2 adults, 4 children (ranging from 1 year old to 13 years old), 2 cats, and a stolen dog. On the other side of the trailer is an open awning covering two folding tables, numerous chairs, toys, and two animal feed auto-feeders. You can also see one of two BBQs, a trash can, one of two water jugs. And this is the cleaned up look after being told that they will have to leave.

It was about as far wrong as I have ever seen.
 
Wow! That is what causes problems for the rest of us, for sure! There was a couple that slept in a cargo van near me that got booted from the parking lot that they were in for two weeks. They had an aggressive pit bull (never ok for urban dwellers!) and would pee on the pavement next to the van every night. If it was raining that would not be obvious but it was dry at that time. Smh
 
Well, I went into the Lodge to give my bi-weekly donation and got word that I too must move. They were very apologetic about it and reassured me that I was not the problem, but I really do not want to get the Moose Lodge in any trouble. I am having a hard time not going over there and slapping those people in the popup.

On the plus side is that I am only here during my kid's summer break anyway, which ends next week. I am planning to stick around a bit linger for the temp work I picked up over this summer, but the actual effect of me moving the van is pretty minimal. It will save me a few hundred dollars that I would have normally donated to the Lodge.... the bright side, but my "commute" to work will be longer than the current 100 yards.
 
Sorry to hear VT

I WOULD be inclined to go over and give them a piece of my mind though, and a through explanation of what's been discussed on here.

(of course, sometimes I feel a confrontation is justified...but that's just me.)
 
While their behavior is reprehensible, I find it very sad that a family of six with two cats and a dog are living on the street in a tent trailer. Sad for the kids and the pets, anyway.
 
I'm also saddened that VT has to move because of them. Seems my elders were right...just a few bad apples. I've no worries you'll land on your feet, this ain't your first rodeo. Be well my friend.
 
Oh, no need to toss any pity in my direction. I am doing just fine.

I've enjoyed staying at the Moose Lodge more for the people that come and go than anything else. I did get spoiled with 120v power, but the summer is over for the most part so the AC can be stored away. The Moose Lodge is a luxury for me, far from a necessity. I will be just fine.

Honestly, I would have been leaving this weekend to start my normal adventures but I had *just* committed to two more months on this job. I will be rolling out of here come the end of October anyway.
 
Were those people around much? Did they actually camp and sight see or were they in a desperate way and gone to work? Seems like they may be in a less fortunate situation. It would be interesting to know what was going on as it seems like there are a lot of people out there in bad shape. It is a rough looking set up but I suppose they dont have many places to put all their belongings.

I have noticed as I travel that it's not the Ozzie and Harriet lets go camping and do Disney World thing that it used to be. There seem to be a large number of people living in cars etc compared to the traditional camper or vacationer. They were actually the type people I hung around with most and and they were often shunned by the more traditional ones. In fact they were some of the nicest people I have met. I took notice of this phenomenon because of my belief that politics is at it's core and people are affected by the loss of good traditional jobs etc. I wont say more because of no politics allowed.
 
caseyc said:
That's almost as bad as seeing a Class A RV parked at Walmart taking up 2 to 3 parking spaces with sliders out in place. Yes, I've seen that with my own eyes.

WHAT? I'm not sure where you got the idea that this is an issue with anybody but yourself, but it's a bit odd.

First, Wal-Mart has repeatedly made it quite clear that they welcome overnight RVers in any location where local ordinance does not specifically prohibit it. (Most local laws against it are created by greedy campground owners who think $40 or more is a reasonable fee for spending eight hours at their facility, for an overnight stay, btw.)

Second, a typical Class A takes up at least 3-4 spaces and usually a lot more. As you may of noticed, these spaces are usually about as far from traffic and the front door of the store as you can get, and still be on the parking lot. Why that bothers you in the least is beyond comprehension?

Finally, many modern RVs are unusable with the slides in. As in, you cannot access the bed, or the bathroom unless you pop the slides. They are often build with safety features that require that you also deploy the leveling jacks to level and stabilize the frame prior to extending the slides.

So, like thousands of other folks, I'm that guy. Off in the far corner of the Wal-Mart lot with my slides out, typically after 9PM when store traffic has dwindled to a trickle. Unless it's a really odd time of the year, I'm usually one of many other RVers, vandwellers, and others doing the same. I welcome the chance to find a free place to safely sleep while heading down the highway. The management welcomes us since they know that the majority of us end up in the store and spending money, before we depart. If it's a big issue for you, get over it, and MYOB.
 
westriver said:
WHAT? I'm not sure where you got the idea that this is an issue with anybody but yourself, but it's a bit odd.

If it's a big issue for you, get over it, and MYOB.

WOAH!!!!!!!! (Whistle on the play!!)


Mr. Westriver...

you're new to these parts and (if you'd do a search), you'd find that this is a subject that has been on this forum MANY times in the past.

There ARE many places that setting up a psuedo-permanent camp, and spreading out your belongings is absolutley NOT ALLOWED. (which is the problem we're discussing here.) And when it happens at a Walmart, it jeopardises the future use of their lots for ALL of us (including you)...so YES, this is a big issue. Nothing 'odd' about it.

so, YES, I am backing up Caseyc's retort, as he's been on here for awhole and knows how we feel about such abuses to our ever limited 'free' campspots, like at Walmarts.

So you're onna those guys who has a big RV and uses your slide-outs at Wally's....that's fine.
But to stay there for weeks on end, and setting out all your lawn furniture, your BBQ, bicycles, an awning, and a big unfriendly dog on a long lead...these are the very kind of actions that will get ALL OF US a permanent vacation, or an eviction notice, from these free campspots...which is exactally what has happened to Van-Tramp.

This IS a big issue...for ALL of us. Get over it???.....I don't think so!


and as a MOD on this forum...please watch that MYOB business. This is a public forum...and b'sides, you didn't start this thread.
 
Interesting. Said in a MR SPOCK tone.


If those people are homeless with animals they need to give the animals up to adoption. ----- If they are not homeless and are attempting to live via stealth or free boondock, then keep the animals and be ready to move at any notice. And don't ever ever get upset that no one likes a gypsy messy spreadout camp in a public parking area. In fact always ask your parking lot hosts what they will think about spreading out with animals and other campground setup. --- after saying the above am still torn about how to discourage gypsy mess camp, but still allow people room to get there mobile lifestyle together.
 
I've a bone to pick with Sir Patrick, but that won't stop me from standing shoulder to shoulder with him on this point. He spoke eloquently, and firmly... in a direct manner. He was on point the whole time. You will no doubt notice VT and I are kindred spirits (of sorts), and we all agree, to a man, that this nation is not to be exploited. In short - there's no such thing as a free lunch.

Be well my friends.
 
Patrick46 said:
WOAH!!!!!!!! (Whistle on the play!!)


Mr. Westriver...

you're new to these parts and (if you'd do a search), you'd find that this is a subject that has been on this forum MANY times in the past.

Sorry, Patrick but I am far from new here, having been on with a now "lost in space" ID, before the forum changeover, and having lurked for a while prior to that. I have little respect for those that value members based on how many posts they have generated, or how many years since they joined. Since, IIRC, we both frequent another forum that's famous for arrogant folks with 40K or more posts, I'm sure you see my point.


There ARE many places that setting up a psuedo-permanent camp, and spreading out your belongings is absolutley NOT ALLOWED. (which is the problem we're discussing here.) And when it happens at a Walmart, it jeopardises the future use of their lots for ALL of us (including you)...so YES, this is a big issue. Nothing 'odd' about it.

Sorry, but statistics and anecdotes are two very different things. I travel extensively, and often have the RV rolling for 15-20K miles a year. A dozen years ago, on the big RV forum, I commented on the homeless encampment look seen at the semi-permanent camp set up at the downtown Anchorage Wal-Mart, and how it would lead to the ending of the opportunity for those of us that did not abuse a privilege. I was thoroughly attacked for being clueless. A few years later overnight parking was made illegal. I don't need to be taught about something I have been regularly doing for well over a decade. There are thousands of clean, well run Wal-Marts that welcome decent folks that know how to leave no trace, and respect others. There are countless thousands of folks who sleep in their parking lots every night without incident.

so, YES, I am backing up Caseyc's retort, as he's been on here for awhole and knows how we feel about such abuses to our ever limited 'free' campspots, like at Walmarts.

This is totally unacceptable. You are "backing" a attack on others based on the fact that this guy has been here "awhole", whatever that means. He has described my behavior exactly, and finds it so unacceptable that he compares it to squatting on a city street with a tent camper. I park my vehicle per the company's invite and the store management's instructions. I leave without a trace as the sun come up, and often spend a few twenties on needed supplies inside before I go. Caseyc can attack this legitimate, and encouraged behavior, and it's OK because he is a regular? Apparently everybody is supposed to assume that even though he described perfectly legitimate behavior, he really meant something else. Sorry, but this "logic" is beyond comprehensible.

So you're onna those guys who has a big RVand uses your slide-outs at Wally's....that's fine.

No it's not fine, in some ways I sucks. I would love to have a nice van to tool around in, and get twice the mileage with half the hassles. However, my wife is extremely disabled and simply cannot use anything small to enjoy her time on the road. My RV is not only smaller and plainer than average, it cost me about what a decent pick-up runs at the moment, and it looks like a big white bread truck. I know that many of the RV forums suffer from elitism and snobbery, but I didn't expect to see that here. If I parked a schoolie at Wal-Mart would it be better?


But to stay there for weeks on end, and setting out all your lawn furniture, your BBQ, bicycles, an awning, and a big unfriendly dog on a long lead...these are the very kind of actions that will get ALL OF US a permanent vacation, or an eviction notice, from these free campspots...which is exactally what has happened to Van-Tramp.


Please locate the part of CaseyC's post where any of this is mentioned. It was a straight attack on big RVs at Wal-Mart, nothing more. You projected the remaining crap you added. BTW, In thousands of stops at Wal-Mart parking lots, when RVs were present, I have NEVER seen anything remotely similar to the pics. posted by the OP.

This IS a big issue...for ALL of us. Get over it???.....I don't think so!

Your right, there is a big issue here. You personally have totally missed the issue, but hopefully you will now reread the thread, and think before rushing to somebody's defense, since they have a high post count. The issue is that a member of this forum made a derogatory comment about my lifestyle, and compared me to a squatter. I do not pass judgment on others here, I admire quite a few of them, in fact. Snide comments about big RVs and slides are a cheap shot, and it's YOUR job to address this kind of thing, not lecture me on things that I guarantee I'm far more versed on than you are!


and as a MOD on this forum...please watch that MYOB business. This is a public forum...

Sorry, but if you find a need to attack my lifestyle with snarky comments you are indeed encouraged to MYOB!

and b'sides, you didn't start this thread.

Being the OP gives you special powers, and status? Or, is it just the OP, and the high post count types who are deemed worth of the right to respond?
 
Westriver,

I didn't get the sense that casey was talking about a modern rig staying at Walmart for an overnight stay. I understood it as those people who setup the RV, awning, chairs, BBQs, etc and stay for weeks or months. It is those folks (much like the folks in the pic in OP) that end up causing cities to pass ordinances preventing overnight parking and such.

Personally, I believe you new-rig RV'ers are helping us, not hurting, as Walmart (and other places) see the business coming in and allow us all to overnight. Without you guys, we may lose our overnight spots even easier.
 
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