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An acquaintance I mentioned the possibility of camping in my truck to, commented "you'd sure better have a gun!" How bad is it out there, and what's the cheapest sort of gun to have that would stop a thug? I haven't had much to do with guns.
 
Crazy Yanks, sheesh.

Nice hobby if you enjoy it, but certainly doesn't make you safer if that's your motivation and you're just going to dabble as a result.

Within that context and IMO especially in a mobile situation, will create more risk rather than reduce it.

Of course within all the inconsistent state laws, it's your right, just saying if you take it up, get serious about it, devote a good chunk of time up front to skills and safety.
 
The person giving the warning does not know reality.

If you do not know anything about guns do not get one. It is more likely to be used against you.  IMHO, only those that are trained in the use of a firearm should have access.  Kind of like a car or hot air baloon.   

If you want to know about guns, reputable gun shops have connections to training.  Then decide.  I grew up with them, and have fired many boxes of shells. I do not carry for pesonal reasons.  Others here do.  It is a choice, not a requirement.
 
A cheap gun, someone who is not trained, someone who is not sure if they need one is a dangerous combination. There are mid priced pistols such as Glock, some Smith and Wessons that , should the need arise, will fire. Some 'saturday night specials' are a crapshoot and not reliable.

If you are interested, find an instructor, have him or her help you select a weapon and then practice.

Don't just buy a weapon and think all's well. It's difficult to decide if you will kill someone attacking you (and that's unlikely) or just use a CS gas or Mace.

If you need an instructor, many Police officers instruct in their off time. Ask at a gun store who they recommend.
 
The biggest point is it's just not that dangerous out there on the road.

Even in areas everybody says are dangerous, consuming fear-mongering media has everyone overestimating such dangers. Humans with cars are 1000's more likely to kill you than with other weapons.

Unless you're messing around in sketchy situations yourself of course.
 
I have boondocking for 30 years and have never felt the need.
 
RobndaHood said:
A cheap gun, someone who is not trained, someone who is not sure if they need one is a dangerous combination.

A wrong decision made with unfamiliarity and likely a costly reactive mistake. Under the heat of any moment, a seasoned gun owner truthfully is a better combination.

Don't think it is *necessary.*
 
i think here lots avoid having one but in reality no one can truly answer this question for you as its such a personal decision. maybe try traveling or camping few times out and see for yourself if you feel safe and go from there. however, if you do decided to carry one i strongly urge you to take some courses and range time and understand what an firearm really is and how it operates from a safety standpoint to actually firing and to all the laws comes along with it from state to state. good luck to ya and best travels.
 
Don't give in to someone else's fear and ignorance. I've camped everywhere from big cities to WAY out in the middle of nowhere and never had a problem that would have been solved by a gun. Others feel better having it with them and as long as they take the steps to do it safely that's fine but it's certainly not a requirement for anyone spending time in nature.
 
Get some bear spray and a dog taser. And do some research - When I was looking I found a lot of people that carried bear spray but none that had ever needed it.
 
jester said:
Get some bear spray and a dog taser.  And do some research - When I was looking I found a lot of people that carried bear spray but none that had ever needed it.

Not picking on you, but maybe you didnt think about the ones who DID need bear spray or maybe a gun:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America

You will NEVER be able to talk to anyone who needed bear spay and didn't carry it. They are dead.
 
Many times people ask me if I feel safe sleeping at night in Walmart parking lots, or if I keep a weapon to protect myself. The topic of “guns” is enormously controversial among van dwellers, and whenever the subject comes up emotions always run hot on both sides—mostly because the underlying debate is based almost entirely on political ideology. I try to base my view on hardheaded practicality. Yes, I feel safe staying in the van at night—or at least no more unsafe than I would feel in, say, an apartment or motel. The public’s view seems to be that van-camping is dangerous and deadly and that we are taking our lives in our hands every night, and even some van-campers seem to think that they are risking being maimed or mutilated by some crazed stranger unless they have a shotgun, two pistols, a baseball bat, and three different car alarms to protect themselves. The reality is that, despite the exaggerated fear that many may have about it, the vast majority of people, whether they dwell in a van or not, will never be the target of any sort of violent crime, and will never have any need to defend themselves from attack. Even if your campervan happens to get broken into while you are in it (and the odds of that are enormously low), the thief will be more interested in your laptop or your camera than in you; he is not expecting anyone to be inside the van and is not looking for a confrontation. The rather irrational fear of “something happening” is far far greater than the actual reality of it. Statistically, the most dangerous part of living in a vehicle is … driving it. You have much better odds of dying in a simple traffic accident while driving through town than you do of being attacked in the van. On my list of things to worry about, it is near the bottom. If you just use simple common sense—lock your doors, don’t leave valuables out in plain view, park in a well-lit area, don’t attract attention to yourself—you will be fine. But, I guess it all depends upon one’s own level of fear. So other than my plain ole ordinary kitchen knife, packed away in a bin, I have no guns, knives, or any other weapon in the van. There’s simply no need for it. There are also a myriad of legal issues that go with keeping or using a weapon in a vehicle, which will change every time you cross a state line. (In some areas, even bear spray or pepper spray is illegal to have.) And in any case I have nothing valuable in the van that is worth defending. Somebody who has to steal my sleeping bag probably needs it more than I do anyway—and I’m not gonna shoot them over it. There’s nothing in my van that I can’t replace within an hour.
 
Should have, and need are two separate issues. I will address  the should you have only; If you have to ask here, you probably shouldn't have one. That's the short answer.
OTOH, if you're willing to train, and know you would be able to use one when needed, then maybe.
 
RobndaHood said:
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Don't just buy a weapon and think all's well. It's difficult to decide if you will kill someone attacking you (and that's unlikely)
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Excellent point. Human beings are very good at imagining things. The various scenarios that arise in the mind when a person imagines resorting to a gun for protection often aren't rooted in realistic dynamics.

People raised around guns 'grow into' the mindset associated with pulling a trigger. People who hunt grow into the mindset associated with pulling a trigger against another living creature. And specialists such as soldiers, law enforcement, bodyguards, preppers/survivalists, etc., often go the extra mile (whether by choice or by necessity) to grow into the mindset associated with pulling a trigger against a human being.

In order to kill another person, there's a psychologically contextual dehumanization of the target that usually occurs. This has as much to do with our 'need' to preserve our self-image as a 'good/decent person' as it does the circumstances of genuinely believing that our lives are in imminent danger. Setting aside some exceptions to this heuristic -- such as a person lost in terror, temporary insanity, or just a person who may resemble the empathy-lacking end of the spectrum (sociopathic/psychopathic) -- it's not as easy to pull a trigger against a human being as many of us may imagine.

In short, not everyone who owns a gun is psychologically prepared to take a human life, even in dire circumstances. Give it some serious thought over an extended period of time. If you're not sure you can pull the trigger, you're better off considering non-lethal alternatives to guns.
 
Lenny in #13:

That is the best summary I have ever seen regarding being safe and van dwelling. Well done!

To answer the original poster's question: you have to do what's correct for you. If you do decide to carry a weapon in your vehicle, get training and practice with it regularly. Document those practice sessions in case you are ever challenged on your proficiency.

I have been around guns my whole, long life: long guns and handguns. I currently carry a short barreled tactical 20 gauge shotgun in my vehicle. I have never even come close to having to take it out of the rack, let alone actually use it.

But, all it takes is one singular developing bad experience. I'm glad I've got a final choice in case it ever comes to that; which I admit is next to impossible.

Your BEST defense is Situational Awareness. Many threads on this subject here. Please read them for a comprehensive review of the subject you address.

Just my opinion . . .
 
John61CT said:
 . . . but certainly doesn't make you safer if that's your motivation . . .

My experience refutes that statement.

RobndaHood said:
A cheap gun, someone who is not trained, someone who is not sure if they need one is a dangerous combination. 
If you are interested, find an instructor, have him or her help you select a weapon and then practice.

A gun is a tool and because it is a particularly dangerous tool proper skills have to be developed in its use.  Like any other tool for emergencies, when needed you are glad you have it.  Otherwise it is a dead weight.  And because using it can have serious life changing results, practice and understanding its use is required, along with knowing the laws and having proper licensing in the jurisdiction(s) you are in.

RobndaHood gave you good advice.  Most shooting ranges have classes for beginners where they instruct you in safe usage, loan/rent you a gun sized to you, and let you try it out for minimal cost to see if you want to pursue this further.

 -- Spiff
 
It might be an desirable option for you travelers in Texas, or it might not be...but in Texas, starting September 1, the public will be allowed to open carry blades longer than 5.5 inches.

There are rules and exceptions, of course:

Over 18.

Not allowed in schools, churches, state or federal buildings, correctional facilities, bars, and anywhere that the owner or manager of the business says no blades allowed. 

But of course, van dwellers and RVers will be OK to have a long bowie knife, throwing star, spear, or sword with them in the vehicle.

Yes, I know the joke about bringing a knife to a gun fight.

This is information, not a recommendation.
 
If an adult male is assaulted, he pretty much is at risk of injury or death. He isn't usually afraid of rape, other sexual assaults, mutilation or other things that happen much more frequently to women. No matter what, every woman I know has those thoughts in the back of her mind when discussing safety. If you're a guy, really, how often is the sexual assault aspect uppermost in your mind when you think about a physical attack? And you women out there? When you think about being attacked, how often does sexual assault come to mind? In the USA, about 1 out of 6 women have experienced attempted or completed sexual assault in their lives. I am one of those "one in six".

I'm with Gunny, 100%. But, as a woman camping alone, even if the numbers are infinitesmal, I feel vulnerable. We should all deal with safety in the manner that works for us. But if you choose to arm yourself, don't go off half cocked and purchase a weapon without education. I personally believe that, if you can get one (and afford it) that you should get a concealed carry permit. Even if it's not required legally. I hope that if I were to be stopped by a cop, or in another situation where it would be appropriate to disclose that I had a weapon, that having a permit may make the cop less likely to consider me a "yahoo" carrying. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.

Just my 2 cents,
Ted
 
WalkaboutTed said:
I personally believe that, if you can get one (and afford it) that you should get a concealed carry permit. Even if it's not required legally. I hope that if I were to be stopped by a cop, or in another situation where it would be appropriate to disclose that I had a weapon, that having a permit may make the cop less likely to consider me a "yahoo" carrying.  Whether that's true or not, I don't know.

I agree with everything you said up to this point.

I do not believe in trading a US Constitutional Right for a state permit, and the background check that goes with it. I DO agree that proficiency training should be received and passed.

The thing that the cop cares about during a routine stop is the fact that in order to have that permit, you went thru a background check (in most states) and so it puts him or her somewhat at ease in dealing with you...he's pretty sure you aren't a wanted felon, but he really doesn't give a damn how you scored on the range test.

In Texas where I reside, and in many other states, we are allowed to carry concealed under the castle doctrine, with no permit and no classes, and no formal training. (again, I believe in some kind of training, as anyone with any smarts should agree)

In Texas, that castle doctine extends to your legally occupied surroundings, such a vehicle, or business, not just your home.

Yes, I know the laws change as soon as you cross a state line. I understand the risk, but I'd rather be acquitted or fined by a jury of twelve than to be carried by six.
 
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