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GrinningPanther

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Hi everyone,

I've been feeling the urgency to hit the road for a few years.

But I've had health problems, and a house I couldn't afford anymore...that wouldn't sell.

Finally I'm out of the house, and have found a van. (Check out the post "Meet Pink Panther..." to see pics and give advice.)

I'm a single, middle-aged guy, and I'll be traveling with my big furry dog. I need to get away for a while to recuperate. Later I'll need to figure out how to make a living again.

I'm Looking forward to being part of the group.

GP
 
Hi GP,
Welcome to the group! My wife and I are new here too. We are preparing to be on the road soon. This website has tons of great info and great folks willing to answer any question you might have. Hope you enjoy it as much as I have.
Roger
 
Hi FrugalandFree and Roger and wife.

Thanks for saying hi and welcoming me. 'Hope you have a good night.

GP
 
Hey GP, we're waiting for you to get out west so we can visit you and Pink Panther. Gonna get hot soon (90s now)...better make it somewhere in the altitudes where its cooler.
 
Hey Jay/Margie/Bindi, thanks for the welcome (and for your conversation in the advice thread). I do look forward to getting out there and meeting you and the gang.

Immediate next steps here include figuring out what to do with an apartment full of stuff (storage or get rid of it all?) and, of course, attending to the vehicle to make sure it's ready for the road.

And, you're right. By the time I get out there it may well be summer for everyone, let alone the desert. It would be mountain time, for sure.

"Step by step," as the old wisdom goes.

GP
 
Downsizing into the full time lifestyle isn't easy for most folks.
Over the years I've done it several times, without storing anything knowing full well that there's always more STUFF out there if I want it again. Still won't store anything...Well, do have an old friend here who holds a few guns in his safe for me ;)

A vagabond heart has caused me to walk away from great opportunities in the mainstream. Yet, I knuckled under to raise my son as a single dad. At 18 he was set thru college, took over my paint contracting business, and the house...I rode away on my motorcycle in 1988. (we won't even get into the years before his birth in '73 and leaving the navy in '66)
2005-Enter Margie.
'06- sold sailboat after 5 yrs aboard..hauled ass to Oregon in my pickup. Bought storage units (before TV shows) with mucho profit and tons more stuff.
'08-Sold everything and off to Tucson. 11 months later arrived. Started janitorial company.
'12-sold out, paid all debts after broken ribs/punctured lung. Sold antiques, etc. Traded one car for RV. Lived in RV, completed selling, medical (had hernia surgery + still on oxygen). Tinkered with RV tweeks. Everything self-serviced/checked top to bottom.
March 2013- 6 new tires (spent night in their lot for opening time). Next WalMart to stock/over night.
March 30th- Having a hoot and enjoying the beginning leg of Margie's first RV trip. 3 weeks short of a year here we are back in Tucson, seeing old friends (known some 25-30yrs), and trying like crazy to get all the medical crap done for us both so we can get out of here before summer hellfire hits full force...our own fault due to having too much fun and arriving late :D

Ok, long post just to point out that there is so much stuff to be had that there's not much reason to store anything.
Carlin comes to mind..."A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff. Have you ever noticed that their stuff is shit and your shit is stuff? I wanna live."
 
Jay,

You're a very capable man. I envy your resourcefulness. And you've certainly not sat around and let life pass you by. You took the initiative, took bold and varied action, and gave--and are giving--life a spanking. :) Good for you.

And even though you're a vagabond you stood by your son. "Good on you," as they say. Looking back, I'm sure your "soul" (however you may choose to use or not use that term) feels good about submitting to the restraints of what had to be done to raise him. And I'm glad you have your freedom to roam again.

I'm sorry about your medical problems. I do hope you can quickly get squared away whatever the treatment is that you're hoping to get done...and be back in good shape for more adventures.

Like you, I'm not made for conventional living. I've walked away from various opportunities, too, because I wouldn't accept the bit and bridle of society's conventions and dogmas and organizations and rules-bound, conformist expectations. Then, a couple of years ago I had extreme medical complications and was convinced I had a degenerative disease and would never regain normal use of my body. Thankfully, I have been recovering...not all the way, but a lot more than I feared was possible in those darkest days.

In the aftermath of staring death and futility in the face, I'm even less inclined to "play the game" of conventional living than I was--and I never was much inclined. The non-conformity started early. I actually ran away from kindergarten.

The question of storage or no storage is tricky for me. Unlike many who get into van-dwelling or full-time RVing, I'm not close to social security retirement age, and am not on disability, and don't have a pension. So in one form or another I'll need to earn a living pretty soon again. And when that time comes, and it may be after only a number of months of van-living, I may well need my "regular house" stuff again. Also, because I've never lived in a vehicle, it might be wise to not get rid of my stuff until I get several months of experience with what it feels like to live on wheels. Then I'll be in the position to know whether it's for me for the long term.

But there is a wonderful freedom of not being tied down to "stuff" in some storage unit in another state. Maybe even be able to live more simply for the long haul even if I have to settle down again because I have less stuff to take care of and find space for. I agree. On the other hand, if I get rid of all my stuff and try the van-living lifestyle, and after a few months realize that it's not for me...it might be hard to swallow having gotten rid of truly lovely and useful things. Possessions are anchors, but not only anchors. They also help give living much of its charm and delight. I have, for example, some wonderful antique books that I'd get only pennies on the dollar for if I had to sell quickly, and would miss them because I love holding that kind of history in my hands.

Actually, though, I have already begun getting rid of things. I've recently given away couches and recliners and other furniture. So I'm headed in that direction.

Again, if I could set off for perpetual travel I could be confident that getting rid of all my stuff was the right thing. But unless I figure out a better plan, I will likely have to come back to stationary living after a time. That's why I've got mixed feelings on this one. There's a good argument to be made for both courses of action.
Carlin had a point. He also had a house. ;)

GP
 
Something to think about, I went through a divorce in the 90's and put all my "stuff" in storage for a few months till I could find a place and get settled. I stayed with my Dad on his house boat at a lake not six blocks from the storage place. One night it got broke into and I lost all the "stuff" I had. I feel IMHO that if you plan to be out on an extended tour it maybe be better to sell off what you have to store and save the rent, safe from hassles and able to use the money from selling to buy again in the future if you decide this life isnt for you. I'm on the same path. Getting rid of stuff is hard, even harder is the personal stuff that you want to keep so dearly and couldn't replace but will weigh you down in the long run. My plan for getting out is to go and not look back so my feelings are different than if I was planning on planting myself again soon.
 
HI Roger450. Thanks for sharing your story and thoughts about the risks and downsides of storage...how it can be damaged or stolen, and weighs you down even if it stays safe and sound.

You're absolutely right that leaving everything behind truly behind, by getting rid of it, can be a path of great relief and peace of mind. I guess it comes down to the old tug of war between freedom and security. Most of me wants the freedom. (Of course, there's some freedom in security, and some security in freedom.)

Anyway, I'm tending toward the option of giving everything away that isn't small enough and important enough for me to take along in the van. But I haven't made final decisions yet. I need to look through all my things to see if something is too big to bring along, but also too important to let go of. I'll come to a decision over the next several weeks.

Thanks for the comments.

GP
 
I was just thinking about another twist on storing stuff...trusting family and friends.

An old buddy offered to hold some boxes for me. I packed my special goodies, photos, and papers in easy to handle, well packed boxes, as not to take much space in the attic. Well, everything was fine for a couple years, even visited once on my way back thru. His marriage took a turn and the wife won the court fight. I was unreachable (before cells and email). The vindictive *bleep* (excuse me, wife) trashed everything that didn't belong to her. So much for my stuff, no matter how bad my friend felt about it.
Not again!!!
BUT...I do have an old friend here in Tucson who keeps a few guns in his safe for me. He's a confirmed single guy, owns his home, trust with my life, and all that. However, I put that "stuff" in the safe knowing full well that things do happen and I will not lament the loss of them, but rather the loss of his life.

Margie had an aunt who favored her. Auntie died and left her a little inheritance and some special things, including a very nice set of antique dinnerware that Margie had always admired as a child. They had little tea parties that still bring Margie happy thoughts of her visits.
During our Oregon downsizing for the Tucson migration, Margie insisted the treasures be stored in the barn loft at sister's 200 y/o farm up there (a historic site ie: Lewis and Clark salt making camp).
A couple years ago a massive windstorm flattened the barn, killing several head of stock, and destroying everything, including many valuable antiques.

As you see, circumstances can't always be controlled, which I have no doubt you know....regardless the best laid plans, trust, blood, or any factor you might add. When I pack out to hit the road I do so with the knowledge that I may never return. Using that logic, I can save myself, not only cost, loss, etc, but more importantly anxiety, disappointment, heartache, or any of the gambit of misfortunes.

Your views may differ :)
 
Jay,

Good thoughts there, and I agree with them all. And thanks for sharing those stories.

I have my grandmother's antique bookcases I left at a friend's house in safekeeping for me in another part of the country. We carried them up to his attic. 17 years ago. We fell out of touch about 15 years ago. Those antiques are long gone, I'm sure.

Nothing in life is completely secure...least of all life itself, which we know is only temporary for us all. So we all lose everything in the end, and many things before then. In the interim, we try to hold on to what we value most--whether objects, people, experiences, knowledge, values.

Possessions vs. freedom from possessions and their chains... the best we can do, I think, is try to strike various balances and compromises between the recklessness of living too close to the edge... and the self-betrayal of allowing one's spirit to be smothered by a mountain of stuff and stifling obligations.

And there are different seasons in life, too, and different kinds of people with different temperaments and needs. What one person needs at one stage in life is not even what he or she needs at a different stage in life. How much less is it what another person needs.

In personal and practical terms, tonight I met with a neighbor who happens to be going into the business of selling books through Amazon. I think I'll let her sell the majority of my books. Most of them won't sell for much at all. And the books were the items I felt worst about leaving behind. So I'm definitely moving in the direction of letting all my possessions go--all of them that won't fit in the van.

It's a risk, of course, but consistent with what you've been saying...the freedom and lightness of spirit of a vagabond, in part because he has so few possessions restricting his movements or weighing on his mind, is precious indeed.

So as the credit card commercial might say: "Leaving a couch behind, three hundred dollars. Giving away a treadmill, six hundred dollars. Being free of couches and treadmills--priceless."
 
You need to bottle up some of that, so I can feed it to my better half!!!
 
Hi again, Bdog1... I'm just trying to "psych myself up" for making the leap. I don't know if getting rid of my stuff will end up being the best thing even for me, let alone for others who might have different circumstances. So (assuming your comment referred to what I wrote) I can't take any responsibility for what you feed to your better half! :) ...or how she responds. :rolleyes: But I'm sure you know the situation best, and can gauge if and when to discuss the topic.
 
GrinningPanther said:
Jay,

So as the credit card commercial might say: "Leaving a couch behind, three hundred dollars. Giving away a treadmill, six hundred dollars. Being free of couches and treadmills--priceless."

I love this! I am trying to learn it and live it!
 
Hey Roger450, believe me, I need to learn this, too. It's one thing to formulate the words; quite another to follow through in deeds. As you seem to suggest, there's "learning" it and there's "living" it.

Cheers to you, and good luck to all of us trying to simplify.

GP
 
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