crofter
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Did you quarantine in your rig?WalkaboutTed said:
I am providing cares for an elderly person, we have been staying in since early on to avoid some of the sick people and world travellers. Gets old after a while. - crofter
Domestic travel potentially curtailed/forbidden?
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I am providing cares for an elderly person, we have been staying in since early on to avoid some of the sick people and world travellers. Gets old after a while. - crofter
I would suggest that everyone who is doing van life, ie full time or even part time nomadic travels create their own folder of bookmarked websites for the areas they want to go. Those bookmarks should include the official websites for the closures of land which can be camped on.
As an example I will choose one state that many might want to visit, Utah
You might want to include in your list the National Park Service in the Zion area which post all the notices effecting going to that area. https://www.nps.gov/zion/planyourvisit/campgrounds-in-zion.htm
You would want to know what the current situation is for the whole state and each of States in the USA are now are putting up pages specifically related to Coronavirus updates and information. So you could search out and bookmark them
https://coronavirus.utah.gov/latest/
Here is a link to the Utah State parks website with updates as to closures regarding policies relating to Covid -19
https://stateparks.utah.gov/2020/03/16/covid-19-updates/
Utah along with other states has up to date traffic and road closure information as well as specific information such as where rest stops are and their status. They also have RV dumpsite information on the state transportation website. So that belongs in your bookmark folder for that area.
http://uplan.maps.arcgis.com/home/w...ing=1&layers=a8d16c9f1f0c492a9a2d98a8849abc2d
If you need to go into particular counties and/or towns in that area to do shopping you can pull up those local government web pages with the updates and or the newspaper or TV station online news for those locations. That will help you understand what places have been ordered to close and what if any restrictions there are for confined movement within that specific location.
So plan ahead and while you are at a place where you can browse create a folder of bookmarks to make it fast and easy to find out the critical info you need to know about closures. Be prepared, it is fun to wander in the wilderness but it is not a lot of fun to get someplace when it is close on towards dark only to find out you can't stay there because of a closure.
You don't have to constantly stay tuned in to the news, you don't have to know what is happening everywhere in the country, you just need to know where where you, yourself, might be prohibited from camping due to closures or what towns it might be difficult to function in for getting supplies. With limited internet you will want to be able to do it very quickly and those bookmarks make it nearly instant access to what you need to know.
As an example I will choose one state that many might want to visit, Utah
You might want to include in your list the National Park Service in the Zion area which post all the notices effecting going to that area. https://www.nps.gov/zion/planyourvisit/campgrounds-in-zion.htm
You would want to know what the current situation is for the whole state and each of States in the USA are now are putting up pages specifically related to Coronavirus updates and information. So you could search out and bookmark them
https://coronavirus.utah.gov/latest/
Here is a link to the Utah State parks website with updates as to closures regarding policies relating to Covid -19
https://stateparks.utah.gov/2020/03/16/covid-19-updates/
Utah along with other states has up to date traffic and road closure information as well as specific information such as where rest stops are and their status. They also have RV dumpsite information on the state transportation website. So that belongs in your bookmark folder for that area.
http://uplan.maps.arcgis.com/home/w...ing=1&layers=a8d16c9f1f0c492a9a2d98a8849abc2d
If you need to go into particular counties and/or towns in that area to do shopping you can pull up those local government web pages with the updates and or the newspaper or TV station online news for those locations. That will help you understand what places have been ordered to close and what if any restrictions there are for confined movement within that specific location.
So plan ahead and while you are at a place where you can browse create a folder of bookmarks to make it fast and easy to find out the critical info you need to know about closures. Be prepared, it is fun to wander in the wilderness but it is not a lot of fun to get someplace when it is close on towards dark only to find out you can't stay there because of a closure.
You don't have to constantly stay tuned in to the news, you don't have to know what is happening everywhere in the country, you just need to know where where you, yourself, might be prohibited from camping due to closures or what towns it might be difficult to function in for getting supplies. With limited internet you will want to be able to do it very quickly and those bookmarks make it nearly instant access to what you need to know.
I hope this post isn't too political; mods, if it is, delete it and I will not be offended.
Why ban, temporarily, camping on BLM or other land that is deserted? If you are distant from others, and not a gathering like RTR, seems like a safe place to be.
Public land management entities have been trying to curtail use of these areas for some years now, we all know that and perhaps to some degree agree with it. But I wonder if this is their Big Opportunity to lock it up for long term. The Patriot Act comes to mind.
The closures and restrictions are perhaps necessary now but how many of these rules will remain after this is over? Scary stuff. Scarier even than this virus.
Why ban, temporarily, camping on BLM or other land that is deserted? If you are distant from others, and not a gathering like RTR, seems like a safe place to be.
Public land management entities have been trying to curtail use of these areas for some years now, we all know that and perhaps to some degree agree with it. But I wonder if this is their Big Opportunity to lock it up for long term. The Patriot Act comes to mind.
The closures and restrictions are perhaps necessary now but how many of these rules will remain after this is over? Scary stuff. Scarier even than this virus.
It may have to do in part with the need to still supervise remote areas, and the people who choose to be in them.
Who could become ill, requiring evacuation, etc. Reeling things in while they are still manageable is better than mad scrambling at whatever becomes the last minute.
I am trying to focus on the short term, do my part for what needs to be done right now, follow recommendations from the EXPERTS, and deal with the long term as it comes.
We really don’t know how this is all going to unfold, except the certainty that it will get worse before it gets better.
We can worry about some things later, as there seems plenty enough to worry about right now.
Who could become ill, requiring evacuation, etc. Reeling things in while they are still manageable is better than mad scrambling at whatever becomes the last minute.
I am trying to focus on the short term, do my part for what needs to be done right now, follow recommendations from the EXPERTS, and deal with the long term as it comes.
We really don’t know how this is all going to unfold, except the certainty that it will get worse before it gets better.
We can worry about some things later, as there seems plenty enough to worry about right now.
Not to be contentious, I am not worrying about anything
I also don't ingest corporate 'news', including so called experts. They all have agendas and none of them are in my best interest.
Being primarily a remote boondocking fan, I am already doing what's best for me, and oters, during the hysteria. If fact, this present scenario, social breakdown, was one of the variables I factored into my vision of my rig.
I am going to continue to camp on blm, National Forest dispersed camping and state trust land till they inform me of their intent to arrest/confine me.
I will eat my hat if more freedom and liberty are not eroded away as a result of this..
My heart goes out to urban van dwellers.
I also don't ingest corporate 'news', including so called experts. They all have agendas and none of them are in my best interest.
Being primarily a remote boondocking fan, I am already doing what's best for me, and oters, during the hysteria. If fact, this present scenario, social breakdown, was one of the variables I factored into my vision of my rig.
I am going to continue to camp on blm, National Forest dispersed camping and state trust land till they inform me of their intent to arrest/confine me.
I will eat my hat if more freedom and liberty are not eroded away as a result of this..
My heart goes out to urban van dwellers.
I found this website which shows cases per state, and appears to be updated regularly. Move the cursor over a state, eg AZ currently has 20 cases and no deaths, as of 3/18 at 10AM.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates-united-states.html
Comparative stats:
Globally, about 204,264 cases , 7,940 deaths, 1 in 26.
US, about 6362 cases, 108 deaths, 1 in 59.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates-united-states.html
Comparative stats:
Globally, about 204,264 cases , 7,940 deaths, 1 in 26.
US, about 6362 cases, 108 deaths, 1 in 59.
With all the problems of testing in the USA not being easy to get and taking a long time for results and the drive in workers not changing gloves between each person they are testing being very disheartening news there is some good news from outside of the USA.
Japan now has a blood test they are distributing that gives results in 15 minutes and is sensitive enough to detect the virus in its early stages. It only takes a small drop of blood. But it is not for home use, it is being sold to research and testing institutions. They are hoping to be able to produce enough of the kits in the near future for 10,000 test a day. Each kit can be used for up to 10 test.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/13/national/kurabo-coronavirus-test-kits/
But isn't it great new to think that such a test that could be done with a finger prick and that it could be someday become available for home testing not just for this particular virus but potentially for any new pandemics that might come along?
I came across this article when looking at the Covid 19 news for Japan as my son and his wife are currently living there.
Japan now has a blood test they are distributing that gives results in 15 minutes and is sensitive enough to detect the virus in its early stages. It only takes a small drop of blood. But it is not for home use, it is being sold to research and testing institutions. They are hoping to be able to produce enough of the kits in the near future for 10,000 test a day. Each kit can be used for up to 10 test.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/13/national/kurabo-coronavirus-test-kits/
But isn't it great new to think that such a test that could be done with a finger prick and that it could be someday become available for home testing not just for this particular virus but potentially for any new pandemics that might come along?
I came across this article when looking at the Covid 19 news for Japan as my son and his wife are currently living there.
MotorVation
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Thank you for this post. It's a really good dose of reality. Keyboard Marcus Welby's are wearing me out. I wish you and your son the bestWalkaboutTed said:
Firebuild said:
Absolutely. Two people very dear to me have non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. No way am I going near them, nor can I even go near other family members. I can't protect them from encountering the virus, but I sure can prevent them from encountering the virus via ME.
And since I feel that way about my loved ones, I'm going to do my damnedest to protect other people's loved ones as well.
badmotorscooter said:
Check the date. It may not be misinformation, it may merely be old. Yesterday, NYC cases doubled.
crofter
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Why follow the White House memo? Better for the country, better for me altho inconvenient, better for some old farts and young ones too that I care about. ~crofter
15 days memo from the White House
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf
Current stats from CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#reporting-cases
Current stats from Arizona: none along the Colorado River prime camping areas, more in the urban areas.
https://www.azdhs.gov/
15 days memo from the White House
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf
Current stats from CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#reporting-cases
Current stats from Arizona: none along the Colorado River prime camping areas, more in the urban areas.
https://www.azdhs.gov/
crofter
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Looking at the location of coronavirus cases in Southern Cali, also few cases in the camping areas along the Colorado River as of 3-18-2020. Areas where there have been more cases reported are farther west in the more populated areas. It is possible that there is a sick camper or two who has not reported. ~crofter
That LA Times site has maps showing locations of cases in SoCal.
https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
“First of all, I think that’s a false equivalency to compare traffic accidents with (coronavirus) — that’s totally way out,” said Fauci. “When you have something new and it’s emerging, and you really can’t predict totally the impact it’s going to have, and you take a look at what’s gone on in China and you see what’s going on right now — right now — in Italy, and what’s happening in New York City, I don’t think with any moral conscience you can say, ‘Why don’t we just let it rip and happen and let ‘x’ percent of the people die.' I don’t understand that reasoning at all.”Tony\ said:
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I heard from a friend that if areas go into lock down one of the approved reasons for travel will be outdoor recreation. Hope that is the case.
MaTaLa said:
I 100% agree with this post. We need to put things in perspective here.
Though I regret and feel for anyone coming to harm, the current known infection rate in the United States, and this is rounding up pretty significantly, is 0.008%. 99.992% are currently unaffected by the virus itself.
But how many people are affected by the economic damage of not being able to work, or their investments crashing? How many people are affected by the panic that's causing products not to be available? How many people are affected by their freedom being curtailed, and without due process?
Looking purely at the statistics, and not even making other value judgements, the effects of human behavior right now are exponentially worse than the effects of the actual illness.
$.02,
Harley.
