Concerns about coming 5G network

[Qxxx]

Here's a link to the drone movie.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7659054/

 

[SLB_SA]

now if someone wants to share some simple practical things i can do to limit my exposure rather than just complain about the sky falling, well that would be grand...

Live in a  Faraday cage?

 

[SLB_SA]

I think that it's possible to create a fariday (?) cage out of our vehicles.

Michael Faraday 

Faraday cage

In his work on static electricity, Faraday's ice pail experiment demonstrated that the charge resided only on the exterior of a charged conductor, and exterior charge had no influence on anything enclosed within a conductor. This is because the exterior charges redistribute such that the interior fields emanating from them cancel one another. This shielding effect is used in what is now known as a Faraday cage.

 

[Qxxx]

 Your tax dollars at work. "Don't get within 10 feet of the robot" can't fit one into vanlife.   ~crofter

I watched this video now. It's like everything with modern technology. Can be be used for good or bad. Cell phones used for comms or blowing up IEDs? Alexa used to make everyday life easier, or eavesdropping on your life? Google searches used to find information, or to track your life and sell the data to anyone who wants it? Similar for Facebook? Technology is both good and evil, depending on who is using it.

 

[bullfrog]

One of the main concerns with AI are the weapons can be hacked and easily retargeted. The military continued to use paper punch tapes for nuclear weapons targeting for many many years because they were large in size and difficult to copy or change and therefore much easier to secure.

 

[Qxxx]

... can be hacked and easily retargeted. 

"easily retargeted". That's pretty darn easy to do .... in the movies. James Bond did it all the time.

At least over 70 years of nuclear weapons, none have been hacked and sent off on missions. Hopefully they will continue to include a few redundant systems before permission is granted.

 

[badmotorscooter]

Well, here's something to lighten up this thread:

 

[bullfrog]

Qxxx we need to talk the day before I die about that. I really hope that we have learned from our mistakes, but I doubt it!

 

[Qxxx]

Qxxx we need to talk the day before I die about that.  I really hope that we have learned from our mistakes, but I doubt it!

I'll be at Q for quite a while starting in the new year (but will be totally avoiding YARC camp for reasons you well know, LOL. I'll send an intermediary so maybe we can get together and talk about the imminent end of civilization as we know it). 

There is one hope we do have. Despite 40 years of massive nuclear buildups, in the end, no one jumped off the deep end. But you might take a look at this image and might well ask yerself: 
A. who pushed the arms race, and who was scared totally shiftless for the first 30 years? 
B. Does history repeat itself? 
C. How does whatever is happening today compare to what you and I lived through during those years? (feel better now?).

 

[Fivealive]

I don't know much about the subject of 5G and Satellites. But I am good at distilling critical information out of technical articles.

So here is one key factor for why 5G will be sticking around despite more LEO capacity. Land based has a lot less latency than satellites. So the current scheme is to marry the two together to reduce the time it takes the satellite to get the signal transferred.

Part of this need for speed and the marriage of the two technologies comes down to satellite being too slow to use for things such as a self driving car which do not do well on satellite alone due to the latency. So don't expect 5G development to go away any time soon.

It almost sounds like you are talking about the traditional satellites that operate at a very high latency 600ms+.  The whole point of going with LEO satellites is to lower the latency.  We will see how it plays out but I don't expect the latency difference between LEO and 5G to be very dramatic.  Early testing with both technologies are showing numbers that are not that far off from each other.  OneWeb claims they got 32ms with there LEO tests

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/why-low-earth-orbit-satellites-are-the-new-space-race/2019/08/15/6b224bd2-bf72-11e9-a8b0-7ed8a0d5dc5d_story.html


Compare that to 5G tests, which for whatever reason is really hard to find anyone posting real latency numbers for 5G.  Articles sometimes claim in theory it should be as low as 1ms, but real world testing is showing it to be higher.  Techradar posted results as being in between 10-30ms using 5G in chicago.  Time will tell, but I really doubt 5G will ever exist the way they are marketing it to be.

https://www.techradar.com/news/5g-speed-test