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Honda eu2000i.......
Does the 12v outlet provide enough juice to recharge house batts or should they be charged the usual way with the 120ac outlet and smart charger?
Looking at charging 200ah batts.
 
Just checked my owner's manual: DC output on an EU2000i is only 8 amps max and is not regulated.

I've not tried to use mine for battery charging yet, but given those specs, you'd probably be better off powering a higher amp, regulated 120 volt charger with the genny.
 
You want about 30a charger for 200ah wet batteries.&nbsp; If they are agm batteries then go with the largest charger you can power.<br /><br />Alternative<br />You can get a small motor and an alternator that will bulk charge batteries faster and cheaper then 120v charger + generator.
 
Small motor?&nbsp; Like a motorcycle motor such as a 650?
 
For the price of the Honda in question, you could buy two complete huge solar systems and not buy an ounce of gas till you die, and who ever gets the van will never buy gas for power... get my drift... But if you live where there is no sun a genny is the best bet, but it will only cost you more every time you use it, me I know this through experience and man it gets expensive<br /><br />If you still want to go the genny/batt charger way, buy a quality smart batt charger, they dont cost and arm and a leg and will save ya on money in the long run... I have always owned and recommend the "Schauer" brand and never a complaint... 12V lead acid, deep cycle, golf cart and AGM's require a certain level of charging rate, this is no one size fits all deal... The Honda you are looking at is in my opinion the finest, quietest, and most reliable on the market and will run a microwave easy...
 
All I meant was if all you want to use your generator for is charging the batteries you could consider a cheaper and more direct system like the ones below<br /><br />http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=199970<br />http://theepicenter.com/tow082099.html<br />I remember seeing a complete setup for sale somewhere, but i don't remember where or what the price was.<br /><br />Of course the whole point to something like the honda generator is that it has a built in inverter and happens to be nice and quiet.&nbsp; If you want to charge your battery bank in a reasonable amount of time you want to push the max amps the batteries can handle.&nbsp; If those are wet cell batteries you want to be around 30amp charger like an Iota dls-30.&nbsp; If you have agm batteries you can push probably 100amps if your generator can handle a charger that big.<br />If you charge at only 8amps all you are doing is wasting fuel and wearing out your genny.
 
man this conversation is leading to the slippery slope of reality and truth... That means we are to start talking basics and that mean the physics end of this and at 1 am i am not ready nor willing to prove my point with physics and the dangers of over amping through improper charging of a battery system... I have also <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span></strong> brought this up purposefully to <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>not</strong></span> over complicate a very rule bound subject that in it self asks for trust of judgement in a subject few want to enter... Physics...<br /><br />i am to think on this as i know many will not want to know nor even care. just as long as my damn power is on... and there is nothing wrong with that train of thought...<br /><br />The issue of recharging a battery is of Amps in and the boiling point of a battery releasing hydrogen (off gassing) and then the point of terminal IE: explosion... which is very real and happens... <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>NOT PRETTY</em></span>... So you can do it guessing, or you can do things hoping, or you can take the word of experience/education and do what is right, take the extra steps and precautions... Or... well ya know... Boom... LOL there is always one in the crowd...<br /><br />
 
Batteries and the charging wires leading to them regulate the amps they can accept. &nbsp;AGM batteries can accept more. &nbsp;The dangerous part is the voltage regulation. &nbsp;If the volts are too high then &nbsp;batteries can accept more amps, and heat up to dangerous temperatures, offgassing. &nbsp;With AGM's there is the threat of thermal runaway with too powerful a charger. &nbsp;With a voltage regulated charger, the amps are going to taper quickly once the voltage gets up in the mid 14 range. &nbsp;With a powerful manual charger, then the volts can climb too high while the charger keeps dumping amps into the battery, heating it up, spewing hydrogen and oxygen.<br /><br />Slow charging batteries is less dangerous of course, but if one is running a generator, get them up to 80% quick as they can take it with an automatic battery charger and that will use less fuel and make less noise and disturb fewer beings in the area. &nbsp;As long as the voltage does not climb above ~14.8 there is little danger. &nbsp;Fast charges are not great for the life of the battery but so is living life chronically undercharged because one does not have a powerful enough charger and enough time to top them off.<br /><br />&nbsp; Charging from 80 to 100% State Of Charge is going to take longer than &nbsp;from 30 to 80% SOC, as the batteries can only accept a small percentage of their amp hour capacity when above 80% SOC. &nbsp;As long as the voltage does not get too high there is little worry. &nbsp;You can't feed 60 amps into a hundred amp hour battery nearing full charge without the voltage and temperature skyrocketing. &nbsp;Finding a charger on a shelf today which can do this is a challenge.<br /><br />Best to have the genny and a powerful battery charger/ converter get them to near 80% in the morning and have solar to take them the rest of the way, silently, but better to have enough solar to not need the genny. &nbsp;Hard to fit enough solar on a Van roof though. &nbsp;Depends on how much power you use.<br /><br />It is easier to conserve electricity than to create it. &nbsp; I've seen a lot of &nbsp;wishful approaches on this and other forums by those unwilling to compromise electrically. &nbsp;They think they need x amount of power, and that is usually 50% conservative, then look for ways to make and Store that much energy. &nbsp;In many cases it would require a trailer filled with batteries and slathered on four sides with solar panels.<br /><br /> Many times learning to live off battery power requires realizing just how much electricity a stick and brick existence requires. This can be a slap in the face when one realizes a toaster toasting 2 slices of bread might consume a significant portion of that huge heavy battery one spent a hundred dollars for and died prematurely because one does not have the proper means to recharge it, and was not aware the battery was chronically undercharged in the first place.<br /><br /> &nbsp;Then one &nbsp;eventually learns how to fry bread, make coffee with propane, &nbsp;forego the microwave, turn down the screen brightness on the laptop, and learn to like the Blue white light of LED lights. &nbsp;After learning this on can visit friends and cringe when when they leave the fridge door open for 5 minutes while making a meal, fills the sink with water just to drain it all out unused, and leaves every light on in every room, all because grid power electricity is cheap and they never had to conserve electricity before. My friend's wife practically brags how wasteful she can afford to be, I take pride in how little electricity I need. &nbsp;I can't count the times I've gotten up and shut the fridge door and turned off the faucet just left running.<br /><br />The unregulated output of the honda generator is dangerous, because it will just keep forcing more and more into the battery as the voltage keeps rising. &nbsp;Many in the know use this output to equalize the batteries. This is an intentional overcharge to bring all the cells in the battery to the same high level. &nbsp;The batteries need to be monitored closely for temperature rise, and the charge should be terminated before they reach 120f or &nbsp;when the specific Gravity stops rising. &nbsp;Obviously this is not just a set it and forget it setting. &nbsp;Some automatic chargers have an EQ function, but they should still be monitored. &nbsp;<br /><br />Most batteries have a recommended maximum charge rate, like C/5. &nbsp;IE, &nbsp;a 100 amp hour Capacity battery should not be charged above 20 amps to start with.<br /><br />c/10 is safer if you have the time<br />c/50 is a trickle charge for those with too much time<br />c/2 are for those with AGM batteries, and little time.<br /><br />With solar you want 7 to 13 amps &nbsp;of solar panel for each hundred amp hours of battery capacity.&nbsp;
 
.....wow, didn't think this subject would explode like it did. Thanks for all the info.
I had a solar panel on my last truck, got destroyed by a hail storm in west Texas.
I asked for a friend who wants to add to his cabin and he noticed the 12v outlet
on his genny, and asked me how I used mine. I use a charger for my batts as the
12v outlet isn't regulated and I figured a charger was better.
Most of the places I stay don't provide enough sun for me to go back to solar.
Having nothing on my roof creates no drag or wind noise and is more "stealthy".
I've downsized from a pickup truck camper to a van, as I age ... less is more.
I love solar, it just doesn't fit my needs at this time.
I get by fine with a 100ah batt to run my cooler, led lights and TV, all 12v. Was
just curious how others used that 12v outlet on the gen.

Safe travels......
 
Um... get a good, regulated battery charger &amp; plug it into the 110v outlet on the Honda generator???
 
<p class="MsoNormal">Using two eu2000 ‘standard’ inverter generators in parallel</p><p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<!--[endif]--></p><p class="MsoNormal">A eu2000i puts out (1600) watts via a 120v 20 amp receptacle</p><p class="MsoNormal">(120v times 13.3 amp) = 1596 watts (or a surge of 2000 watts) via a 20 amp receptacle (?).</p><p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<!--[endif]--></p><p class="MsoNormal">So if you use a single eu2000I you get 1600 watts and a surge to 2000 watts via a 20 amp receptacle.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<!--[endif]--></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thinking of adding a second eu2000i and doubling your watts. WAIT!</p><p class="MsoNormal">Sure using parallel cables ‘state’ you get 4000 watt. But, NO you do not. Since all you have are 20 amp receptacles (the limiting factor) on either unit they can only handle 20 amps, you output is limited to 120v times 20 amps or 2400 watt (NOT 4000)!</p><p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<!--[endif]--></p><p class="MsoNormal">How to get more watts in parallel?</p><p class="MsoNormal">Use 1 eu2000i standard and a eu2000i companion generator</p><p class="MsoNormal">Or two a eu2000i companion generators in parallel.</p><p class="MsoNormal">The 2000i companion as a built in 30 amp receptacle</p><p class="MsoNormal">So if you plug you RV into that receptacle, you can get 120V times 30 amp = 3600 watts (still not the 4000 maximum they quote)</p><p class="MsoNormal">Bottom Line:</p><p class="MsoNormal">Parallel cables are ‘good for two parallel eu1000i generators because you get 900 watts times 2 or 1800 watts which a 20 amp receptacle handle (2400 watts max)</p><p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]-->&nbsp;<!--[endif]--></p><p class="MsoNormal">Parallel cables are ‘NO good’ for two</p><span style="font-size: 14.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">parallel eu2000i generators <span style="text-decoration: underline;">unless</span> one of those units has a 30 amp receptacle because you get 1600 watts times 2 or 3600 watts which a 20 amp receptacle ‘can not’ handle (2400 watts max)</span>
 
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