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Ziggy Moon

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I have a 1993 Dodge B250 Conversion. I have ripped all of everything out of it. <br><br>So, now I'm am trying to figure out how to go about rebuilding the inside, particularly, how to hang/attach some type of siding for interior/insulated walls.<br><br>The problem I have is, there are only two total vertical structural braces (one on each side of van - in center) which are attached/welded to the van skin that I can use to support/hang some sort of siding.... how do I add more supports?<br><br>Did I explain this correctly? <br><br>Does anyone have experience with same? Suggestions?
 
Weird.
..no ribs? Maybe make your own verticals at the end anchored to floor?

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I'm wanting to keep the siding flush with the existing aluminum window framing seen in the above picture (to maximize interior width space). Unfortunately, the one vertical rib (also in above pic) sticks out further than the window framing (by 1 to 2 inches) - essentially leaving me with no usable supports for any type siding.<br><br>Can someone Help me out - advice? .... Please!
 
Huh, i didnt realize you had so much window there..&nbsp; Is the bowed in wall under the window an interior wall or is that the skin too?&nbsp;&nbsp; You can probably screw to that thing along the top (i screwed one board of three to mine to hang paneling..some wires might be inside though).&nbsp; <br id="tinymce" class="mceContentBody "><br>Maybe glue is the way to go...they make some pretty strong adhesives...
 
Do you have pics to share that I can visualize what you've done, travlin man? A conversion thread that you started?
 
<span id="post_message_1278684165">Is the bowed in wall under the window an interior wall or is that the skin too?</span>
<br><br>It's all skin, Dazar (excluding the top portion you've mentioned). <br><br>Like I said, I'm wanting to stay flush with the aluminum trim on the window, if possible. So using anything seen in the photo is pretty much a no go.<br><br>If I knew that gluing insulation to panel, and then gluing that same insulation/panel directly to the wall would hold, I'd just do that.... that would seem to be very simple. But I'm really not sure how secure that type build would hold, especially in a set-up that would be on the move.. vibration could make it come lose.<br><br>I just don't know!
 
Hi Ziggy, &nbsp;you will not have much room for insulation if you panel the wall to the thickness of the window trim, the windows were made for thinner walled campers. I'm thinking use the profile of the supports you have, make a pattern, use 2x6 lumber to install ribs where you need them and frame around the windows &nbsp; &nbsp;with 2x's to match the same profile, then install your insulation and panel the walls. this may be hard to follow. when you reply I'll try to explain better. I think I set up my PM on here, try to PM me and I'll try to explain better, or give you my phone # , I'm a slow typist. &nbsp;Duane&nbsp;
 
Note: I do not have a van conversion, but do have 25 years experience as a carpenter (retired union).&nbsp; First, IMO any wood connections will squeak when you drive, I have seen lots of vans converted for work with shelves and such.&nbsp; I agree with signman as you will get little to no R value if you try and stay flush with the window trim, 1/4 or 3/8" maybe is no R value.&nbsp; Go with the center rib for a thickness.&nbsp; That model Dodge uses bends in the wall steel sheets to make it strong, so they need less ribs.&nbsp; I would scuff up the paint to bare metal with a 120 grit paper and apply Power Grab or some other type of panel glue.&nbsp; <br><br>As for securing the panels while the glue is setting, just cut a wedge board so you are using the opposite wall to put pressure on the glue up wall.&nbsp; You could glue both the drive (port)&nbsp;and passenger (starboard) side at the same time.&nbsp; Same with the ceiling.&nbsp; You could glue that entire rig up with about 4 maybe 5 tubes of power grab.&nbsp; If you use the blue rigid board for insulation, get the correct&nbsp;adhesive.&nbsp; It is made just of rigid insulation as there is a sheen on the rigid board that most glues don't stick to as good.&nbsp; <br><br>For added integrity, you could rivet or sheet metal screw horizontal strips from the front rib, a crossed the middle rib and to the back rib.&nbsp; One at the floor, on mid way and one at the roof.&nbsp; You than could attach the paneling to the strips via waffle headed sheet metal screws.&nbsp; If you use wood paneling, I would also use glue on top of the strips to eliminate the travel squeak you would get with the wood to metal contact.&nbsp; <br><br>Hope this helps.
 
I too was unwilling to give up much internal space for any insulation, or for ease of paneling. &nbsp;I also knew my likely temperature extremes would be minimal.<br><br>I wound up using 3m super 90 adhesive spray to adhere 1/8 inch carpet underlayment to the walls, then covered this with some 1/8 thick white plastic panels. &nbsp;There is little or no adhesive holding these panels to the carpet underlayment that I can remember using(6 + years ago). &nbsp;They are held in place by my Oak window frames that I made to replace the aluminum ones that were originally covered with the trim pieces. &nbsp;These oak frames are pulling the window to the van body, not just covering the original aluminum window frames.<br><br>If you do go this route, I'd recommend pulling the window out, cleaning all the old foam sealant and caulk, &nbsp;treating and painting the edges of the sheet metal which will be bare or rusted metal, and using new foam weatherstrip on the window. &nbsp;The windows themselves are surprisingly light.<br><br>
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<br><br>I'm all about the attachment points, and white Duct tape was a necessary evil. I was planning on making some wood trim for this body joint, but......<br><br>
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@ wrcsixeight - Thank you so much for posting those pictures. The first picture is exactly what I was envisioning. I understand, and agree completely with your reasoning, my <span id="post_message_1278694115">temperature extremes would be minimal also, .... especially here in Florida; noticing in your first picture, looking through the van windows, it looks as if you are in Florida also (or maybe Cali)!?? <br><br>Excluding the heat here (which I don't think insulating would really make that much difference), your gonna be hot when it's hot regardless). But I will be using rigid board, if it helps it helps, if not, then I guess I figured it anyway. <br><br>It's a perfect visual for me </span>to do what I want to do, wrcsixeight!<br><br>I do however have a few questions... in the last picture (the one with the mounted speaker) is that a vertical rib the speaker is hanging on? Did you build this rib, or was it there? The reason I ask is that I don't have this. I only have the one rib in the middle of the van - so, how do I manage to end my paneling? to the back of the van? If I run it all the way to the back, it curves, and, well I don't know? Any suggestions? I also like the back shelf, did you cut out the roof in that area and place the board? Mine still have the original portion of roof there (with high top above) but if I was to cut it out, I could extend this area for more storage space.<br><br>Are you close to the space coast (Cocoa, Bch area)?<br><br>Thanks Again, wrcsixeight! Really, Really Aperciated. <img src="/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif" class="emoticon bbc_img">
 
Ziggy, I'll come back with more details in a bit, my landlord( parking spot lord) just invited me in for Dinner.<br><br>Those pics', cept the last one were taken in Florida, but I am currently in Southern California.<br><br>Back to elaborate on your ? in a few.
 
@ signman - Thanks for the suggestions, I wasn't concerned as much with R-value (I know, maybe I should) I was more interested in maximizing the space. I had a thought of what I was wanting to do, but just could figure out how to go about doing it. wrcsixeight's pictures, particularly in the first photo, was what I was going for - in my mind. I guess I just needed some photo's to clarify how I'd at least begin to do this. Once again, I do appreciate your input... Also, we need to see if we can get together in Ocala NF, to actually scope out some good places to just get away and meet with new friends ... I'll try IM'ing/Pm'ing you sometime, if that is still cool? <br><br>@ RJCooper - Thank You also. I agree, I don't need to be hearing squeaks while driving - it would drive me nuts. <span id="post_message_1278694115">Hopefully now I can get to work on the interior of my van soon.... to be honest, I've pondered this for some time now... and while I've been stuck on this pondering, I've kept myself busy with the exterior (prepping for paint), I figured I had to be getting something done to get her looking better than the old work van I previously turned her into. This forum is really helpful, and I really am impressed by everyone's willingness to try and help. Thanks again for taking the time to help.<br></span>
 
Hi Ziggy, I'm not real good at the computer, I think I set up the PM function here, you are welcome to PM or email me any time about anything. &nbsp; I think the added insulation would help keep you cooler, after working outside in so. fla. when younger, and having 3 heat strokes in the last 10 years I like to keep cool. Just can't take the heat like a young man anymore. &nbsp; Check out the Florida gathering thread, some good new activity there. &nbsp;Duane &nbsp;
 
Ziggy.<br><br>That vertical "rib" came in the van, where they join the back portion of the body to the regular part of the van and spot weld it together. &nbsp;Extended vans have this seam in the same place, just use a longer back end. &nbsp;I assumed it was standard on all dodge vans up to 93 or 94 and &nbsp;perhaps beyond but I assumed wrong apparently. &nbsp;It only sticks inside about 5/8 an inch and has an L shape to it, but the base of the L is pretty short, like &nbsp;1/4 an inch, and it was kind of nice for getting the corner sheets of white plastic to. &nbsp;It is nothing like the ribs in between the windows you &nbsp;see in my first photo above. &nbsp;Getting those rope cleats screwed into the rib was not easy on the small surface available to drill &nbsp;get a screw in to do so, but I love having them. &nbsp;I really use a lot of rope cleats throughout. &nbsp;Cant have enough attachment points and it is nice when they are unobtrusive.<br><br>Those speakers &nbsp;boxes are homemade, the speakers taken from an old portable stereo. &nbsp;I have them on &nbsp;20+ &nbsp;feet of &nbsp;speaker wire and can put them outside the van, closer to the campfire when the desire to use less battery power and volume around a campfire is desirable. &nbsp;Not much Bass, but the 6x9's in the front doors do well at that.<br><br>Those white panel plastic sheets are kind of just wedged in place in the back corners. Kind of frustrating to get them to fit as tight as possible to the van body in the corner. &nbsp;Lots of trial and error and a good enough call had to come at some point, as it always does. &nbsp;I think I would do the construction paper/ masking tape method to make a template if I were to do it again. &nbsp;Trial and error turned the neighborhood black with curses. &nbsp;I would not imagine wood paneling would be easy to get into that corner, but I love the extra space it gives me when in bed. &nbsp;My feet are usually in that corner, and the wiring to my taillights has been made less obtrusive since that photo, but I never kicked it out anyway before I cleaned it up. &nbsp;It is nice to be able to easily access that wiring and the bulbs so easily. &nbsp;I also have used the taillamp screws as attachment points, at least on the driver's side, using a Stainless steel machine screw with &nbsp;a ss nut rather than the sheet metal type screws that are standard.<br><br>My Van is painted white, so compared to the heat radiated within from the black tinted conversion van windows, the walls do not heat up much at all in direct sunlight. &nbsp;In my other photos you can see I have pillows bungeed to the windows. &nbsp;This is to get them out of the way in the daytime, but more so for blocking the heat from the black windows and they are hugely effective at this.<br><br>I figured I could always add more insulation on top of the white walls if needed. &nbsp;What is nice about the wood window frames is they can always take a screw. &nbsp;If I ever decide to insulate the walls more, I would get the foam board and cut it to fit really tightly, almost a press fit, then I would remove it glue, contact cement/glue some type of fabric, wall board, more white plastic, ect, to the insulation foam panels/ boards themselves and use some wood trim and screws into the wood to hold them in place.<br><br>I have not really had much below freezing dwelling since this minimal insulation install, but with me being the only heat source, it stays about 10 degrees warmer inside when it reaches the 40's, high 30's at night outside. &nbsp;A Lasko 200 watt heater will keep the interior in the mid 50's in mid to low thirties exterior ambient temps. &nbsp;A mattress heating pad makes climbing into bed a lot easier in such temps, but it usually gets turned off or down to the minimum shortly after.<br><br>My roof has 1/2 inch foam board insulation added to it, but I was unwilling to lose any more headroom/ surfboard room along the ceiling than that. &nbsp;The foamboard is adhered to the fiberglass, but the white paneling is held up only by the oak trim in the back 2/3. &nbsp;Up front there was no other option than to glue it to the insulation foam board with contact cement and cover the edges with white Ducttape as there is no wood within that portion of the &nbsp;roof structure, only fiberglass. &nbsp;Been there since august '07, though I am not really happy with the ducttape. &nbsp;Need to get white Gaffer's tape instead. Ha <img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle"><br><br> There is a OSB stringer sandwiched in the fiberglass roof &nbsp;itself under each visible strip of oak on my roof that take a screw beautifully. &nbsp;I always keep 2 surfboards up there, and have carried 8 up there, inside, &nbsp;fins removed, and still had enough room to sleep comfortably, with a whole lot of power tools under/ behind the bed too. &nbsp;I am rather amazed at how much I can carry and still have living space. &nbsp;The extra weight is not good for around town MPG though. &nbsp;I am lucky to get over nine in my current traffic light/ Hill infested area.<br><br>Mine came with the rear section of original metal roof as a shelf, but it became really weak and fatigued after I gutted out the conversion company frou frou space wasting interior and started using it as a shelf. &nbsp; Significant Weight on the shelf &nbsp;would bow the van sides in a bit too. This metal shelf was a noise maker when driving, squeaking and rattling with road harmonics. &nbsp;I had re enforced it with some angle iron, but decided during the most recent renovation that some well attached 3/4 inch plywood would be more functional and stronger so out came the angle grinder and cut off wheel and out it came. &nbsp;I keep all my clean clothes up there in underbed storage boxes, with a bungee cord to hold them in place when driving. &nbsp;The shelf is angled so that it is wider on the driver's side.<br><br>My front shelf is similar, and much stronger than the weak thin plywood that was up there from the conversion van company. &nbsp;I keep my dirty clothes in a large sealing bag up there, along with work type clothes. &nbsp;They stay put when driving. &nbsp;I love that storage space. &nbsp;Everything soft and in the way gets thrown up there till organization at a better time. it extends to behind the driver's seat, and I have a oak curtain rod back there. &nbsp;I knew &nbsp;with the size of the front shelf, it would sag on its own with time, so I found a piece of warped plywood to incorporate the sag into the shelf. &nbsp;The curtain rod being straight helps keep my clothes in place, for all that high G acceleration I do, just to impress the kids of course. &nbsp; Actually, The only time that clothes fall from up there is climbing hills.<br><br>To get the wood paneling to curve into the back of the van I would take a circular saw and set the blade depth to about half the thickness of the paneling, and cut channels about 1/2 inch apart or closer where the wood needs to flex the most. &nbsp;That little ridge/seam is pretty critical to get it to stay in place. just by the pressure of the wood/ plastic wanting to straighten itself out.<br><br>If you do not have this seam/ridge, I would consider gluing up some wood furring strips to the prepared sheetmetal with an adequate adhesive, just to have an attachment point, at least for the corner piece.<br><br><br><br><br>
 
perhaps some metal framing studs from depot or lowes?<br><br>they can easily be cut with snips to conform to the top rails and even made to bow in a gentle curve.<br><br>once skinned with luan or plywood, they should be sturdy.
 
I don't know why I can't set it up to follow my own threads, especially after someone has replied (I've tried, is it possible?).... <br><br>I'm sorry for the delay in getting back, wrcsixeight and cygvan.<br><br>Both of you have given me some great ideas, and I appreciate everyone's input. And with this, I think I have enough to get it going. The metal framing stud suggestion was icing on the cake! Thanks cygvan.
 
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