Tazers

[Outsource]

<strong><span style="font-size: large;">If they do, let them have it!!</span></strong>&nbsp;

 

[cygvan]

maglite...a big one.<br><br>radio antenna<br><br>squirt gun with tabasco or some other hot sauce and water mixture in it. a bright lime green one that obviosuly looks like a toy...what a surprise<br><br>the hornet spray sounds like a good idea

 

[sparky1]

on this morning's News Teenager Killed by Cop Tazing him(florida) i think it was. didn't hear the whole story.<BR><BR>PS read the warnings on waspsprey

 

[Outsource]

<p>&nbsp;</p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span style='color: black; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Be Careful, watch everything and get ready to leave, if you can do it without drawing any attention to yourself, until its too late. You never know, by looking, who these predators are and are not, So Be careful. Its like watching Ben Matlock, where over time, he has everyone in the Jury box guilty of something.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"> &nbsp;</span></p>

 

[Salida Scarlett]

I personally believe all law enforcement personnel should be required to sample Tasers on themselves if they want to carry them, (like some of you did). Then maybe they wouldn't be so dang taser happy.

 

[Unchained]

My first line of defense for most situations is a 500 lumen tactical flashlight (Defiant is the brand). For some reason, suddenly becoming blind seems to be pretty distracting to most aggressive critters, both 2 and 4 legged, and the one I own is also a better nightstick than my old Maglight if said aggressive critter is too close.<br><br>A squirt gun full of ammonia is something I read about awhile back, but it would be kind of hard to explain if you had to use it on a person.<br><br>BTW, Scarlett, I believe that getting tazed is usually a part of the training for police depts.

 

[offroad]

wonder why cops dont carry bear spray instead of tazers. or in addition to.&nbsp;

 

[Van-Tramp]

Bear spray (and mace) have proven to not be very effective against hopped-up humans. The effective range is very limited, and you do tend to get some over-spray on yourself (or your partners) too, meaning your put yourself down at the same time you *might* put down your attacker(s).<br><br>Keep in mind; bear spray, mace, and tazers are all HEAVILY regulated by Federal, State, and Local laws. You may find that any or all of these are outright banned where you are. They are not protected by the 2nd amendment but still considered "weapons" so you may find yourself cuffed-n-stuffed if caught carrying one.&nbsp; Check your local and state laws before carrying any.<br><br>As I have posted in the <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a class="thread_title" title="Lets get this out in the open first; This thread is not a gun debate. If you do not agree with guns, please just move on to another thread and..." href="/post/Traveling-with-firearms-for-security-6420652" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Traveling with firearms for security</a></span> thread, <strong>carrying wasp spray for self defense is not only a Federal crime</strong>, it is also VERY ineffective against humans. It is akin to throwing some jalapeno juice at a human... the chemicals in it are meant to irritate wasps (very specifically), not a enraged 300lb biker with a knife. Heck, some guys may even like it. Advising someone else to violate Federal Law may not be so wise either; 1) they may listen and do it, and 2) you could be held liable for your illegal advice. <strong>DO NOT CARRY WASP SPRAY</strong>, you will get arrested!<br><br>I know some of you may not want to hear it, but if you want to protect yourself, use the proper tool. You don't try to loosen a nut with a hammer do you? If you are truly worried about your safety, take some classes on the proper tool for the job. Be it a gun, or tazer, or mace, or your own hands... take the classes and research the laws. But don't pick up a can of bug spray thinking it will do any other job other then what it was intended for, especially when your life is on the line.

 

[Unchained]

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You don't try to loosen a nut with a hammer do you?

<br>Only if he won't take 'no' for an answer&nbsp; <img src="/images/boards/smilies/angel.gif" class="emoticon bbc_img">&nbsp; </span><span id="post_message_1279102587"><br><br>Seriously though, you are right. The flashlight is my first line of defense (either the 500 lumen C cell 'thrower' or the 240 lumen AA, depending), but it is backed up with a Beretta. I am still considering a stun gun or stun baton,&nbsp; but need to do more research. That said, anyone or anything that can/ will keep coming when hit in the face with a 240 to 500 lumen light (esp at night) is a serious threat in my book and will be dealt with as such.<br></span>

 

[Scar]

It would be near impossible to do any damage to your vehicle with a taser.&nbsp; But, be forewarned that Tasers, and stun guns are in most states considered under the same laws as regular guns, so careful in carrying them. I think these laws are sort of ridiculous comparing a stun gun with my pistols, but check your state/city/county carefully on this one.&nbsp; Good idea to take a self defense class, maybe get a concealed weapons license even if you never plan to own a gun.&nbsp; The courses can also help you in court if you ever do stun someone as you will know how to explain yourself so you don't find yourself in a legal hassle you don't deserve.<br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Odds are if fired the prongs will impact either a non-conductive area such as wood or vynil in your RV, and heaven forbid if they impact steel or something conductive, there is a very good chance they will not penetrate and stick to it.&nbsp; No penetration means it won't be stuck in it, so it can't shock it.&nbsp; Even if you manage to hit it into an electrical system the odds are that since electricity moves thru the path of least resistance it will simply conduct back to the other prong and do no harm to your RV.&nbsp; Even if you shock it directly into a computer circuit board or something equally ridiculous as an accidental target, its more likely that the actual impact of the prongs will do more damage than the electrical discharge.&nbsp; The circuit impacted will more than likely just see it as a voltage spike or be completely unaffected.&nbsp; I make this very simplistic and usually don't get involved in electrical discussions on the forums, but I actually have a Bachelors in Electrical Engineering so I understand the issue fairly well.&nbsp; Doesn't mean I'm saying it cant happen that you could shock some system in your RV bad enough to hurt it, but the odds are you never will.&nbsp; Much more likely for lightning to damage your RV this way, be it while hooked up to someones power outlet, or just shocked in the woods unless you are sitting inside firing your Taser over and over again.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; Tasers (which is a specific brand that shoots a dart dragging wires to shock someone) also require registry thru the Taser company in order to purchase.&nbsp; Every dart must be accounted for, this isn't law from what I understand, but is enforced by the makers of Taser itself.<br><br>&nbsp; Stun guns on the other hand work by pressing it against people and pushing the button, which Tasers are capable of when the prongs are not fired.&nbsp; Stun guns, and Tasers, require they shock the average person for 4-5 continuous seconds to be effective.&nbsp; A lot can happen in 4-5 seconds, and in the case of the stun gun if your hitting me with it you can bet I'm hitting you physically and trying to push it away from me.&nbsp; As one person I read on a self defense forum once said 'The person you scare the most with your little blue zapper is probably yourself.'&nbsp; Though I have found that dogs tend to be afraid of them, but wouldn't bet my life on it if a large hound was charging me.<br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; I am pro-gun, and definitely pro-self defense, even with Tasers, but they are not all that they are cracked up to be.&nbsp; Cops tend to be Taser happy and use them when they need not.&nbsp; The problem with this is that in even healthy people with no pace-makers etc, Tasers kill around 3 out of 1000 uses.&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;So I'm not pressing you to change your mind about anything, but keep in mind that if you really need a defensive weapon, you probably should buy one that will effectively stop the attacker as quickly as possible.&nbsp; Might just anger that 300# biker with your stun gun, and make him be more vindictive when he gets his hands on you.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; Bottom line is: No matter what you choose for self defense, you are to be held legally accountable if you use it.&nbsp; (So don't shoot anyone and claim I told you too, and I'm withholding names to protect the innocent...j/k)