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I have a 24v system. I want to just plug in the shore power cord into the inverter and be done with it. But I'd like to have the gas generator as an option in case the batteries get low. Is there a way to connect the shore power plug to the generator and inverter at the same time?
 
Welcome.

The outlets that are connected to the inverter will be powered by the batteries.

Plugging into shore power/generator will just be charging the batteries unless this is an RV. A transfer switch will be involved then.
 
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I have an RV. The charger/converter are the same unit. The RV also has a generator. Im trying to figure out how to get all this working together with my solar and battery inverter. If I plug the shore power cord into the inverter then it pulls off my batteries to charge the coach battery and it will no longer be plugged into the generator.
 
You never plug an inverter into shore power, unless it's an inverter/charger. Never plug the shore power cord into the inverter.

The solar plays well with RV systems. Nothing to worry about just hook the panels to the solar charge controller and then the charge controller to the batteries. Actually hook the batteries to the charge controller first then the panels.

It will all work fine together just leave the RV systems alone and hook the solar up separately.

Highdesertranger
 
You have a 24 volt system? A 24 volt battery bank?

What the OP is asking about is a automatic transfer switch. If the generator is built in there may already be one in place between the generator and the shore power cord. Otherwise they need one added between either the output of that transfer switch and the inverter or the shore power cord and the inverter, The converter can be wired to the transfer switch so that it only functions when the shore/generator line is being used.

This can be done manually. It's how I do it.

I have a 30 amp dog bone plugged into the inverter. The shore cord plugs into the dog bone and powers all of the outlets in the trailer. My converter has its own circuit breaker that I turn off while plugged into the inverter so that the batteries are not trying to charge themselves.
 
^^^A word of caution if using this method is a friend of mine forgot to turn the converter off and fried his inverter. He has now wired in an automatic transfer switch.
 
My shore power cord is plugged into the generator so when I turn on the generator I can then use the ac, microwave, receptacles, etc. And the battery charger/converter will kick on. In order for me to get this to work with solar, I will have to unplug the shore power cord from the generator and plug it into my inverter. I'm trying to get this all to play together. Or maybe have a switch to flip between solar/generator?

I have 2 12v lithium batteries and a 24v inverter. I'd get 12 v if I needed too but I like being at 24v. I haven't installed any of this yet. I'm trying to figure this part out before I get started.
 
The first thing you would see is your battery bank being drained because you are taking more power out of it than you are putting back in it.

I have not seen a inverter fried due to the converter being left on but a neighbor did have to replace his converter after leaving it on after he shut down the generator.
 
A dog bone changes the 120VAC outlet into a 30 amp outlet so your shore power cord will plug into a regular outlet.

You will need a transfer switch or remember to turn off the circuit breaker for the converter when using the inverter. Solar does not figure into the equation. Solar is just another charging source that has nothing to do with plugging into shore power or running the generator. You are running the inverter off the batteries.

My friend forgot to turn off the breaker for the 120V converter (charger) when he turned on the inverter. This is how he fried the inverter.
 
I understand what a dog bone is now. I never heard that term. I have a 15a-30a one.

Could you post a link to the type of automatic transfer switch you are talking about? Just to help me get an idea. And then I just flip the breaker for the converter depending if I'm on solar/generator. Sounds like a plan.

Technically you are right. I just refer to my whole solar/battery/ inverter set up as the solar system. Sorry if I confused anyone.
 
Empowerment said:
I have 2 12v lithium batteries and a 24v inverter. I'd get 12 v if I needed too but I like being at 24v. I haven't installed any of this yet. I'm trying to figure this part out before I get started.

Are you in a RV? Everything in a RV is 12 volt including the converter. You can run the two lithium batteries in series to get 24 volts but then you need a 24 volt to 12 volt converter to run the 12 volt systems in the RV and a 24 volt converter to charge the batteries. The charge line coming from the 7 pin on your vehicle will need to be changed to a DC to DC charger since it is also only 12 volts.
 
I have found keeping everything separated has worked well for me. I use the shore power supply plug for all 120 volt supply power. A simple extension to shore power plug is connected to the inverter and plugged in when needed, it has a lighted plug to remind me to turn off the inverter when done using it. My battery charger/converter is plug in as well with a big indicator light when on so I will remember it as well. Solar is always connected to my battery bank which is 12 volt.
 
Thanks for the feedback. My plan is to primarily run everything off solar/batteries and only use the generator when the batteries get low.

Jim, I do have a 24v to 12v converter.

Honestly, I don't even know what the onboard RV converter does. Everything runs off the 12v coach battery until it's plugged into shore power. So it converts shore power to 12v I assume. Everything runs better when it's plugged in. I probably can just turn off the charger/converter permanently. There is also alternator charge too. Makes me think I should just do 12v system to make everything easier. I'm thinking out loud in hopes you guys can pick this line of thinking apart and help me optimize my system
 
Your RV was probably designed to use 12 volt DC power for most things in your RV that are lower power uses, the exception most people notice first is the blower on the heater runs down the battery if used over night. The air conditioning and microwave are usually 120 volt AC and can be used only when plugged into shore power or a generator. While plugged in, running a generator via the battery charger/converter or while driving using the vehicles alternator, these things can charge the house battery bank. By adding Solar additional charging can be gained while the sun is out. By enlarging the battery number and capacity more power can be stored. An inverter simply allows you to use that stored power for 120 volt AC. Inverters come in many different sizes and all use some of the supplied power to work, the larger the inverter the larger the losses, so it pays to get an inverter that is barely larger than your needs to conserve battery power. Some people use multiple converters in order to power smaller loads more efficiently. There are pros and cons of using a 12 volt or 24 volt battery banks but with everything already 12 volt it is generally cheaper and easier to just have everything 12 volt in my opinion as nothing has to be converted from or to 24 volts in order to work with what you already have. Inverter power still has to be isolated from shore power and the battery charger/converter needs to be turned off while using the inverter and the inverter needs to be turned off when using shore power. The inverter 120 volt AC power output can be isolated from 120 volt AC shore power/ battery charger/converter with a transfer switch, simply plugging in or unplugging components, or on/off switches. the 12 volt DC supply to the inverter needs to be turned off as well as it wastes power if left on while on generator or shore power. Generally the more 12 volt DC can be used in place of 120 volt AC the better and more efficient the system will be. It takes a lot of battery bank to run larger AC loads. Generally solar power is used mainly when the sun is out so batteries can get you through the night. Hope this helps!
 
People that use inverters with built in outlets plug in directly to those and they are therefore isolated from the other 120 volt AC circuits so they could be used while running a generator or shore power.
 
I am curious, What do you have that runs 24v native? No conversion is 100% so in other words you are losing energy with every conversion. Going back and forth makes no sense. make as few conversion as possible. Highdesertranger
 
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