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karenishere

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I am getting back to the idea of road living, and every time I see a Sprinter conversion or even an old vw microbus I feel my pulse rise. Ooooh, that, That!!

What I have in mind for this phase of life is to look around the country with the idea of perhaps moving there someday. To go somewhere, live in my vehicle for a month or so while taking day trips or maybe a class, get a feel for the location, and then go back home. I would like to think that in a pinch I could live in my "bug out baby" indefinitely, but I probably won't.

Long ago and far away I had a used 1989 Winnebago Chieftain 23' with all the bells and whistles, which I lived in full time for about a year. On the plus side, it was ... cushy. There's nothing like pulling into a Home Depot parking lot to take a shower, or roasting a chicken when you're stuck in traffic. :p On the minus, with a car tow it was groaningly complicated and cumbersome, I called it The Lumber-bus, and I think it was getting gallons to the mile instead of the reverse.

This time around I want to go little and simple. I'm also working with an out-the-door budget of about $20K. Still, there are considerations and already some bumps in finding what I think I want.

1. I want to stand up. I'm only 5'1 so you'd think this would be easier, but everything seems to come in two sizes: an awkward gigantic raised roof, or a crouch for anyone, even a shrimp like me. Has anyone actually brokered (or performed) a roof conversion?

2. I want something that's the right size. I think a converted minivan like a Dodge Caravan might be a tad too small, while a full sized van is slightly more than I need.

3. I'm creative but not very mechanically inclined. I can do woodwork and make curtains and so on, but I'm pretty dubious about my ability to make structural changes to a vehicle like putting a skylight in a metal roof or adding a furnace. So there's a tradeoff ... it seems like I would be creatively in over my head to buy a newish raw shell, but from a mechanical standpoint also over my head if I buy a 1975 Chevy Class B.

4. Environmentalism. It's a focus of mine, and I'd really like to have a light footprint in terms of energy use while I'm on the road - decent gas mileage, perhaps solar dry docking and even a little bit of water catchment. Nothing like adding complication to "simplify"!

5. Front seats. The Lumberbus had reclining front seats that swiveled to face backward, and I'm spoiled for life. Why on earth put more seats in a small van if I have two extremely comfortable seats in there already! I also know from experience that convertible dinettes are perhaps the most uncomfortable furniture ever built, whether sitting or sleeping. And I don't actually need a table. So I'd much rather have a single bed with a real mattress and two swiveling chairs than the standard dinette foam cushion conversion. But I'm a bit stumped about this. Nothing I've come across (except for pre-equipped camper vans like Roadtrek which are $$$$$) have the swivel feature. Can it be done? I've seen seat stems that swivel for less than $100, but then how do you move the seat closer or farther from the steering wheel - or does this become a vehicle only I can drive, bwahahah?? Do I have to actually buy $$$ RV replacement seats and hardware as a package?

So many questions! I'm sorry if I'm overwhelming, just very excited and not sure what direction to move in first. If anyone has interesting ideas for me, please share!

TIA
Karen
 
Welcome to the CRVL forums Karen! I love your excitement. Be sure to check out the "Tips and Tricks" thread as it'll help you get familiar with this place. Enjoy!
 
1. I want to stand up. I'm only 5'1 so you'd think this would be easier, but everything seems to come in two sizes: an awkward gigantic raised roof, or a crouch for anyone, even a shrimp like me. Has anyone actually brokered (or performed) a roof conversion?

I had a 2004 passenger sprinter van for a while that was about 5'2" in the center. I'm also 5'1" ... and a half :) ... and I could stand up in the middle. For $20K you should be able to find a used one and make it a sweet livable home on wheels. Ours was a 155" wheelbase I think (foggy memory).

I loved loved loved driving it and it got about 21 MPG pulling a teardrop trailer, filled with lots of camping gear, and 4 people (2 slept in the trailer and 2 in the van). This was before my "vandwelling" days. The only thing about Sprinters is that their Mercedes diesel engines are costly to maintain and repair. And Sprinters (including ours) had some rust problems.

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Ford is coming out with a Connect fullsize van and I'm thinking that their medium hightop might be a good fit for me. You might want to take a look at it too.

Have a blast planning ... it's almost my favorite part of this vandwelling lifestyle!

Suanne ... who's glad she found this community of likeminded folks
 
Here is a friends older Transit Connect and how he converted it for travel jut like you want:
http://www.cheaprvliving.com/blog/update-ford-transit-connect-ftc/

You can't stand up, but do you really need to? He got an honest 28 MPG with it!

I think your best bet is a shorty conversion van with a high top. But it won't get better mpg than a regular size van so really you should get a regular size. You will not regret the extra room!!!!!!!!!
Bob
 
well I have done the high top conversions, i used to work in the van conversion field but it's been many years. they are not hard to do but you need the tools, the biggest problem is to somehow to lift the top in place. the better quality ones are a bit heavy especially for a long wheel base van. i believe you would be better off if you could find a sprinter type that you could stand up in. as far as economy a diesel beats a gasser hands down. people you the maintenance is more money but they must not do their own. if you do you own, an oil change is a little more, but after that they are actually cheaper. you can find the seat swivels that still allow for front to back adjustment but for $100 i doubt it. i don't think those 100 buck ones are dot approved. also welcome to the forum. highdesertranger
 
Oh thank you to everyone! Now I have virtual vans to swoon over too. And nothing looks quite as daunting as it did, even the high top conversion. And High Desert Ranger, a special thanks to you because I've been struggling to "google" the hardware I'm looking for and I keep ending up with baby seats, recaro seats, reupholstery firms and every other thing imaginable. One swift 'Seat Swivel' and there they were, glistening with encouragement. :)
 
Hi Karen, and as others have also stated...welcome to the forums :)

My wife and i did a DIY full size chevy van conversion with a bit of professional help so i'll chime in.

Our van build thread _ is here _ if you are interested.

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karenishere said:
... Has anyone actually brokered (or performed) a roof conversion?

We had a local converter actually put the top on. As another said, getting the thing up there is the hard part. And we'd saved up the cash to do the conversion (we put in about $15K total + cost of new van, but it was in the budget.)

karenishere said:
2. ...while a full sized van is slightly more than I need.

My wife is 5'2" and loves the van! It is actually her daily driver...and it has a bit larger than stock tires AND a 3" lift kit.
She is all about bling ;) <my wife that is.

karenishere said:
5. Front seats. The Lumberbus had reclining front seats that swiveled to face backward, and I'm spoiled for life...Can it be done?

Sometimes, yes.
But in our case, a 2010 Chevy van, it is illegal to place the driver seat on a swivel base as the front air-bag sensor electronics are located under the seat. BUT we did install a passenger front seat swivel that works great. And if it is just primarily your rig? I would just go for it and install the passenger one (if you find out, like us, that a driver swivel is a no-no.)

On bed? I would either research what some are doing with, gasp! Hammocks inside vans (go to Hammockforum.net and visit _ this thread _, it is actually quite comfy and easily done). OR, like my wife and I, put in a full size (or you could do a nice single/twin?) Froli sleep System. It is by far (except for sleeping in a nice hammock!) THE BEST sleep system you will find anywhere at anyprice! We love ours in the van.

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The most crazy part of our DIY conversion was installing the insulation. At the time we began the project we'd had ~28 blissful years of togetherness... it almost ruined us! But, we got through it and recently celebrated our 31st.
It helped that i married a MacGirlver :)

We can eat, sleep, shower & potty in our rig, with all the creature comforts that are (my) wife approved.

Best wishes on your project.
Thom
 
Hello and welcome Ye got many a saddle to choose from, a blank slate. do not distress
walk peddle or ride.
 
karenishere said:
Oh thank you to everyone! Now I have virtual vans to swoon over too. And nothing looks quite as daunting as it did, even the high top conversion. And High Desert Ranger, a special thanks to you because I've been struggling to "google" the hardware I'm looking for and I keep ending up with baby seats, recaro seats, reupholstery firms and every other thing imaginable. One swift 'Seat Swivel' and there they were, glistening with encouragement. :)

I got my nice seats with the swivel pedestals off Craigslist for $25.
 
Here is an option. According to this guy, the manual lift is a bit over $6K, and the electric is over $8K. That is steep, but this is a professional job. Maybe not what you are looking for, but it would solve your problem. You could stand when you were camped (as long as you weren't stealth camping), but have the lower roof profile when driving.

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Take a look at the Nissan NV full-size vans. I'm planning to buy one in a couple of years, either that or the full-size Ford Transit, depending on price & availability.

Both of these come in a high-top version. The Nissans have been made since 2012 so there are starting to be some decent used buys out there.
 
Whoo!  After a less than stellar trip in my Matrix a few months ago, I was kinda over the car camping thing.  I'd outfitted the car with a 12V battery so I had electric blanket, fan and easy electronic recharging, but the constant shuffling of stuff and the mental discomfort of stealth camping, the less than ideal blackout curtains, sitting in the front seat of the car in campgrounds with people looking at me like I was crazy ... blah blah blah, it just wasn't working for me.

So, I just signed a contract on a ... I guess it's a class B, but it's an older one without all the bells and whistles.  1994 Dodge 350, a "Horizon Sport 170", 75000 miles, really clean.  Hopefully picking up the new baby tomorrow, Exciting!!!  Guess I'll have to eat it on the comparatively poor gas mileage, but in most other respects I think this is a much better fit than the Matrix.  Can't wait to try it out.

ETA: at $6800 it wasn't the world's greatest bargain, but I think it was a fair price and after discovering that a poptop conversion cost nearly as much without any of the "RV" appliances, I'm pretty happy with that.
 
Do you wanna do a walk-thru, or post pics/vid?? After the initial "honeymoon" instant subsides? ~KK
 
Yep, I haven't picked it up yet, they're going over a couple of issues I had with the water heater. So I still have my fingers crossed a little bit that things go smoothly and it's ready for me soon.
 
I created a log called "New Horizon" about the new adventure, will continue my journey over there.
 
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