Rav's Sourdough: formula, methods, baking with charcoal, free bread

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Great thread I love sourdough everything! I like a tangy sourdough taste and I learned that feeding the starter with whole-fat milk instead of water will make it very tangy, if anyone else likes the tart tangy taste.

And, not to be a heretic, I know you want long fermented sourdough but using the Platinum Sourdough yeast culture is easier to use and store on the road, rather than nurturing and feeding sourdough starter in a jar: https://tinyurl.com/yd26oao9 I've used it a couple of times and it fits with more standard bread dough recipes but adds the sourdough flavors.

Dan
 
Whatever makes folks happy makes me happy for them =)

I started the real sourdough life because I cannot easily digest unfermented wheat. I can eat long fermented sourdough tho -- yay!

This is the first I have heard of using milk instead of water. I'm curious, but afraid if I try it I will like it too well. I am doing my best to limit saturated fats, so will tamp down my curiosity. For now. I do have ways to manipulate the level of sour without changing or adding ingredients to the regular old lean sourdough flour water and salt. But I do very much wonder if milk can top my best efforts at super sour. Someone here at Q should try it and bring me a slice. Just one little slice...
 
Oh- I also forgot to say that for some, real sourdough slows the insulin response compared to other breads, thus preventing spikes in blood sugar.
 
I watched the Sourdough movie yesterday. Bit my nails when the man and his summer dogs were doing whitewater on the raft.

I will have to work on my scoring game. I lost some scoring mojo during the long long fire restrictions in Nevada this year. The bread posted here so far is far from my most beautiful boules. But thanks for the nice compliments, people!
 
I have read that the gluten intolerance so many experience is actually rooted in our highly processed breads from grocery store shelves.

Sourdough, and even the no knead doughs that rest and rise for a day before baking, allow gluten to properly develop and thus are not so offensive to our guts.
 
Yes Rose, and also the modern wheat that makes up such a huge part of Western diets isn't the same wheat our ancestors ate. If I could source it easily and at good prices on the road, I'd be using old varieties of wheat for my bread.
 
Ravella that is a LOT of work and things to remember!!! You must have been practicing a very long time to get such perfect loaves!
 
I have been practicing for 3 years now. But it isn't really a lot of work - I'm just too danged wordy! :/

As far as remembering it all, it's just built knowledge. Like... Remember when you learned to drive? Did it seem overwhelming to remember allnof those combinations of actions for shifting and turning and parallel parking? Now that stuff is just there at your fingertips. You didn't have to remember, you just know!
 
For the several of you who watched the sourdough movie isn’t that the worst ending to any outdoorsman nature movie you’ve ever seen?
 
WanderingRose said:
I have read that the gluten intolerance so many experience is actually rooted in our highly processed breads from grocery store shelves.

Sourdough, and even the no knead doughs that rest and rise for a day before baking, allow gluten to properly develop and thus are not so offensive to our guts.

I may or may not have issues with gluten, but I for sure have issues with FODMAPS*. Fermenting foods means that yeasty beasties digest those sugars for me. So I can eat sourdough bread and yogurt with few issues whereas I have to be very careful eating regular bread and milk.

*FODMAPS  - https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fodmaps-101
 
Heyas Jaque- I am baking today abd this bake is spoken for... BUT! How about you and I split the other boule? That way I can have fresher bread and bake more often for more oportunities to share. Then next time, if any other lone camper wants to split my keeper, the circle of sourdough can get bigger here at La Posa South.

How is your starter doing? Have you made a flatbread yet? If so, tell us all about it! =)
 
I just got back from the big city. If you still have a half tomorrow, will be happy to come by and help you eat it!

I've been working on flatbreads every day, except of course for today. I'm going for something like naan, and getting pretty close. My experiments taste good, but as yet, they are not a bit camera-ready. Among other issues, I have not perfected the art of picking up a thin round of dough and laying it flatly and gently into a hot skillet without deforming it.

The nice thing about experimenting with sourdough is that no matter how strange-looking the end result, if you dip it in some olive oil and balsamic vinegar, you won't care how it looks!
 
That is so true about sourdough oops! Overproofed, underproofed, dense, flat, Burnt crust, pale crust... Still haven't had to throw any away lol.

I have cut our boule in half. Your half awaits you whenever you come for it.

I'd like to try your naan one day. When you're happy with it.
 
“ shows it was made by human hands, not a machine“

I spent about a year as a baker in my very young days. I laughed about the fact that at home the Bakers strive to make it look professional or at least near perfect. And  then at the “professional” bakery We tried to make the things look “homemade. For me taste is far more than looks. I used to pray for a cheesecake to “fall”nothing went to waste except my waist. And the several times a day that I see this thread I get so hungry.

By the way Cracker Barrel has an excellent sourdough bread and they will grill or toast it for you if you want. It’s not cheap but it is good. And I always like supporting Cracker Barrel close they are friendly to Nomads.
 
That's good to know about Cracker Barrel's sourdough. I went and looked at their ingredient list. Though it isn't a lean sourdough, it seems to at least be real sourdough, as yeast was not listed. I wish they'd have left the corn oil and chosen a non-bromated flour. But I'd eat their sourdough over no sourdough!
 
The three hardest parts: shaping, ferment and proof, and scoring

Shaping. This is a hard thing for a beginner to get right because of having to develop the technique while not overdoing it. The best way to my mind is watching youtube videos on the subject. Lots of them. I'd recommend searching "Baking with Jack". His videos are lovely. He's lovely. Then dive in and try try. The goal is to make a nice tight skin without deflating every little bubble you got during the bulk fermentation.

Ferment and proof. It's knowing when these stages are complete but not overdone that is the challenge. For the ferment stage, it's when you have a smooth dough that is extensible (meaning you can stretch it without it tearing) and elastic, and fully fermented, but not over-fermented. It took me forever to come to the conclusion that the dough isn't both things equally at the same moment. Relaxed, rested dough is extensible. You can do a windowpane test and slowly and gently stretch a piece of dough until you can see through it. But after, say, a stretch and fold, it won't be very extensible. But it will be elastic. I'm telling you this because it eluded me for the longest time. About the fully fermented, that's not quite right. It still needs enough oomph (dough strength) to get through the shaping and final proof with the extensibility and elasticity to hold the crumb structure and expand some more quickly in the first part of baking (oven spring). My best advice for a biginner in this department is to follow a recipe with times and ambient temps given. Or at least times, and have a nice, warmish room temp for it to ferment and proof in. Some people use an oven with a light on. Once you get a feel for just right, accidental under and over proofing, you'll be able to disregard the times and go with the weather and the dough.

Scoring. Let me say right off the bat- scoring IS important for controlling where the boule expands during oven spring. If you don't score, its likely to rip around the sides horizontally. So give it a slash across the top, at least.

If you want to to be pretty, first master getting that slash to make an "ear". One side of the slash will raise up high and get the darkest, almost burnt is lovely. The other side moves inches away and a tender bulge rises between them. To achieve this, cut with a sharp thin blade (I use double sided razor blades, also craft knife paper blades, sometimes tiny sharp scissors, but a shark knife will do). Cut across the boule with your blade at a 30 degree angle. Cut pretty deep. Try not to let the blade drag the dough. Just practice.

After you can fairly consistent my get an ear, you might want to get fancy and do a wheat stalk or some other design. I find that straight cuts go better for me than curved ones. I'm not at all artistic, but people oooh and ahhh when they are gifted a well scored, well browned, well decorated boule. And that, I will admit, is gratifying =)

Remember that an ugly boule will 99.9% sure still be a tasty boule. Just keep trying!
 
Tomorrow is bake day here at La Posa South. I have 1/2 boule that is not spoken for yet. Anybody who is willing to pick it up at my campsite is welcome to it. Speak up here or send me a PM.

Cammalou, no. You cannot have just 1/2 boule for you and John. You have to take a whole one! You can only have whole ones -- at least until I manage to make you a beautiful boule. =) If you must, give half away yourself :p
 
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