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When traveling, I usually carry more water than I think I'll need.  Only one time did I run short, and it made me rather nervous, at Organ Pipe National Monument, in the summer, with the temp at 112F.

Since then, I've learned a few things.  One was harvesting rainwater.

Now, let me say that I am totally familiar with America's chronic fear-mongering.  Americans have been taught to fear many things that they don't need to fear, and told that dangerous things are perfectly safe.  But I've learned to think for myself, and evaluate information from multiple sources.  You are free to do whatever you want.

Rainwater has been harvested for centuries.  It is the cleanest water source on this planet.  It has been said that rain is about twenty times cleaner than any ground water, anywhere, including glacier water.  If you'll drink water from a well, you shouldn't fear water from the sky, is my feeling.

If you can collect rainwater on a clean surface and let it flow into a clean container, you can drink it immediately, without any type of purification.  Let me repeat that:  Rainwater + Clean Collecting Surface + Clean Container = Clean, Safe Water for Drinking.  Rainwater is distilled water -- not laboratory grade, but clean enough to drink.

If you have water purification equipment, you can save it for when you really need it to purify ground water.

Acid Rain:  You hear about acid rain, but you don't hear much about what it does -- or doesn't -- do.  Journalists make it sound like poison.  Most acid rain comes from burning fossil fuels (oil and coal) and volcanoes.  When moisture forms in this contaminated air, it falls as acid rain.  Normal rain has a pH of about 5.6; acid rain usually has a pH between 4.2 and 4.4. 

Please note that the pH of beer, wine and stronger forms of alcohol usually range between 3.0 and 4.0.  (Awful, huh?  They must be poison!) :D
 
Over time, the acidity of the rain lowers the acidity of the soil and water, harming plants and aquatic animals because the acidity becomes higher than what they can tolerate.  It can also damage things like buildings, statues and old gravestones -- especially those made from rocks (limestone and marble) – because it reacts with anything that contain large amounts of calcium carbonate.
 
Acid rain does not affect human health when you drink it, PERIOD.
 
To harvest rainwater, the requirements are few and simple.
 
* A clear area, free of overhanging plant material and bird perches.
* Collection surface – the two best ones are clear heavy-duty plastic sheeting and clean sheet metal, but anything can be used if it’s clean and not a major contaminant itself.  Mylar emergency blankets and Reflectix can be used for the short-term, but they do degrade in sunlight.
* Collection containers like food-grade plastic buckets, thoroughly cleaned.  Regular buckets are okay if you don’t let the water sit in them for very long.
* Fine mesh, window screening or cloth to keep bugs and blown debris out of the buckets.  A clean old t-shirt works just fine.  http://fivegallonideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/bucket-water-filter.jpg
 
Supports for tarps:
https://surviveall.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/survive.jpg?w=273&h=194
 
http://www.primalsurvivor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/collecting-rainwater-with-plastic-tarp-tent.jpg    

http://www.primalsurvivor.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/rainwater-collection-system.jpg

http://www.readytribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/maxresdefault.jpg

 
You’ve got plastic sheeting but no support?  Find a smallish depression or dig one, or make a circle with rocks and lay the plastic over it, and weigh it down on the outside with more rocks or branches – just keep debris out of it: https://surviveall.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/survive.jpg?w=273&h=194     NOTE:  You can’t use blue/etc tarps for this, they’re woven and won’t hold water for very long.
 
No tarp?  Use what you’ve got; if it’s low, raise it to avoid splash contamination (just remember that 5 gallons of water weights more than 40 lbs):
 
Underbed storage containers or totes:  https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cy7yYRlsmwA/maxresdefault.jpg
 
Umbrellas (they can’t hold the weight of much water, so tip them so water flows into a container, or leave them upright and burn a ½” hold near the center):   http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OZrZYUpbAnU/TMWfEyZzE8I/AAAAAAAABAc/bB96EHkT8eo/s1600/Picture3.jpg
 
Garbage can:  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/a2/b4/2ca2b431db83e5fc5aea679d88b65230.jpg
 
For every inch of rainfall on one square foot of collection area, you can collect about  0.6 (2/3)  gallons of water.  Using a 10’x10’ tarp could net as much as 60 gallons from 1” of rain.
 
Texas seems to have more info on rainwater collection than I’ve seen anywhere online, 52 pages in .pdf format, not including the appendix.  It was created for home/farm collection, but the basic rules apply:  http://www.twdb.texas.gov/publications/brochures/conservation/doc/RainwaterHarvestingManual_3rdedition.pdf
 
 
 
 
Some places have made it illegal to collect rain water. It's considered theft of the water that would otherwise go into the aquifers that supply water to the region. Not saying I agree, but probably a good idea to check the laws in your area and at least know going in whether you need to be stealthy about it or if you can openly collect.
 
This is a subject I've thought of bringing up recently. My trailers roof wouldn't be considered clean but it does channel the water into gutters and then downspouts . I could put tubing on them to collect the water in 5 gallon deep rock bottles, then use a drill pump and filter to get it into the fresh water tank. I'll have to look into clean collecting methods.
 
I travel to avoid as much rain as possible.
 
Safe? Rain washes contaminates from the air. Fumes and smoke rise into the clouds of water vapor. Radiation contaminates rain water. Just saying.
 
StarEcho said:
Some places have made it illegal to collect rain water.  It's considered theft of the water that would otherwise go into the aquifers that supply water to the region.

Maybe we can get a rebate when we pee outside.
 
ccbreder said:
Safe? Rain washes contaminates from the air. Fumes and smoke rise into the clouds of water vapor. Radiation contaminates rain water. Just saying.

By this thinking, water is never safe, because contaminated rain contaminates the ground, much of which is already contaminated from previous rains and human generated pollution. As water trickles through the ground, it brings the contaminates with it and mixes with other contaminates. OMG! Who knows what types of odorless, colorless, tasteless killers are in "fresh" spring water? And dirty, toxic rain falls into all the reservoirs from where we get drinking water, and all the rivers and streams that feed the reservoirs!!! You could filter the water, but those filters could add some other type of manufacturing process toxin to the water! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaagh!!!!!

Just saying.

:D
 
Most anti-rainwater collection laws are being changed or overturned, most recently in WA and CO; many more states actively encourage collection.

HOWEVER... Most states that have laws against such a thing are mostly against operations that collect massive amounts of water. They're not going to waste their time on people who collect ten gallons of water on a tarp for their personal use.

ccbreder: WHERE DO YOU THINK WATER COMES FROM? Here's a hint: It comes from the air you breathe every 'dam' day! Have you stopped breathing yet?
 
I've picked snow up off the ground that looked clean , i'm talking about scooping up the top layer that fell from the sky and did'nt touch the ground , i threw the snow in a clean bucket and after it melted there was dirt floating in it . Idk
 
I collect rain water all the time, that is if it's raining. however I use his water for gold processing. if I had to drink it I would run it through a purifier. last year at RTR I collected at least 25 gallons. highdesertranger
 
I wonder why surface water must be treated before it is called potable. Most deep well water is safe to drink, but may cause individual problems because of a reaction to a different mineral content.
 
ccbreder said:
I wonder why surface water must be treated before it is called potable. Most deep well water is safe to drink, but may cause individual problems because of a reaction to a different mineral content.

Gravel, sand, and rock filter the surface water as it makes it's way down underground. Plus underground there's no sunlight to start a chain of life. Surface water is full of living things, some of which don't agree with you.
 
Vanholio said:
Gravel, sand, and rock filter the surface water as it makes it's way down underground. Plus underground there's no sunlight to start a chain of life. Surface water is full of living things, some of which don't agree with you.

However, non-living toxic or cancerous substances can make their way into well water, or any ground water.
 
Larry, it kind of depends on how long the snow was sitting there.  You've seen snow alongside roads that looked like someone had dumped stove ashes there.

Surface water is exposed to nearly every kind of contaminant in existence:  farm chemical runoff (chemical fertilizers, herbicides, pesticides) and livestock waste, wild animal urine and feces (good source of giardia), dead/rotting animals, illegal industrial dumping, illegal homeowner dumping, leaking gas and oil tanks, effluent from waste treatment facilities, medications that people dump down their toilets, etc.  Humans are closely related to pigs in some respects.

If you think ground water is clean, go to your local water board (or whatever it's called near you), and ask for the results of the last water tests.  It doesn't have to be good, it just has to be tolerably within certain limits.  Have you been paying any attention to the water problems in Flint, Michigan?  Do you think it's an isolated incident?

Most drinking water isn't all that clean, you just assumed it was.  It's one of those "Don't ask, don't tell" sort of things.

"Public water supplies in 42 U.S. states are contaminated with 141 unregulated chemicals for which the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has never established safety standards..." http://environment.about.com/od/waterpollution/a/tap_water_probe.htm

"...the Environmental Protection Agency reveals that only nine U.S. states are reporting safe levels of lead in their water supply.  http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/24/americas-water-crisis-goes-beyond-flint-michigan.html

Public water supply is unsafe for millions of Americans: 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/health/contaminated-water/

From the National Resources Defense Council, "...The truth about tap":
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/truth-about-tap

Also, I saw a bottle of water for sale the other day, $1.89 for 12 oz.  That's $10.66 per gallon.  And you thought gasoline was expensive?
 
Nooo, that doesn't sound familiar. Poland... are they importing it now???

The joke about bottled water is that it doesn't have to be tested, disinfected or filtered. And people still won't drink rainwater! Ah..... well-trained serfs.
 
A lot of bottled water is just city water run through a filter...
TC , Poland Spring comes from deep wells in Maine !
 
"Public water supplies in 42 U.S. states are contaminated with 141 unregulated chemicals for which the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has never established safety standards..." statements like this by environmental groups are misleading. when the EPA was formed they went after the nasty stuff first all other chemicals were unregulated. as the years have gone by the EPA has gone deeper into the unregulated chemicals and every once in a while find a bad one. it then moves from the unregulated to the regulated list. an example most of your hard water chemicals are unregulated. in truth these are natural occurring substances like iron, calcium, and lime. I would put a lot more trust in the statement I quoted if they would have included a list of these unregulated chemicals that they are trying to scare us with. the fact of all this is water itself is an unregulated chemical. is that included in this list? may I suggest everyone watch this, . sad but true this is how most environmental groups operate and is why I am so cynical of them. highdesertranger
 
Dihydrogen monoxide is one of the most deadly. Very addictive, withdrawal is fatal.
 

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