Question on setting up camp close to water

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akrvbob said:
Oddly, that hasn't been my experience in Florida in the winter. I go at least every other year an spend a month or more with my mom and I always go expecting some rain.

This last winter it rained more often than it was sunny.

Weather History for KPGD
Nearest airport to Punta Gorda, FL
Precipitation
December, 2014 0.15 in
January, 2015 0.64 in
February, 2015 3.59 in of which 2.48 was in one day which was considered a freak event by the locals
March, 2015 1.79 in of which 1.03 was in one day
April, 2015 1.37 in of which .041 was in one day

Rainfall for August 2015 10.60 in

http://www.wunderground.com/history...reqdb.zip=33983&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999

The makeup of the soil varies greatly inland there is some loam and organic matter but anywhere along the coast it's one big septic sand mound
 
I live on the banks of the Ohio River.   I have seen it come from it's normal stage to 5 feet into my "above ground" basement overnight.  Fortunately only once in 97.   There had been 15 inches of rain the day before
below Pittsburgh, Pa and ironically the local TV stations weren't so aware of it.   But the next day they had every sponsor with anything to sell to replace your flood damaged home or property airing their adds around the clock.   Then if they hadn't done that think how many millions of dollars that TV Station would have missed in revenues.  Alerting the Public wouldn't have made them a dime.

So,  today I have a few weather "go to's".


National Weather Service Enhanced Radar Image Loop

http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php



National Weather Service Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service  (you'll have to set this for your own town)

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=rlx&gage=galw2



Severe Storms Alert

http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/


I think it makes good sense when traveling to have a Weather Radio with auto alert.
 
It appears that the currently unnamed tropical system south of Baja is perplexing the weather models. In the last 12 hours the GFS weather model has greatly expanded the rain coverage and intensity of this storm, as it powers up the Baja peninsula and into the desert SW.

It appears to me, as someone who keeps a selfish Eye on the eastern pacific tropics, that this System is going to wreak some havoc, even if it never attains named storm status. The heat content in the sea of cortez this time of year is profound, and the track of the storm will allow it to suck up plenty of moisture.

So, those in the path of the storm need to take all the precautions outlined in this thread, and make sure they have enough supplies to last them until the water levels drop. I think this system on monday and tuesday will greatly exceed the localized catastrophic flooding experienced last week in the desert SW

The following weather model has doubled and perhaps tripled the energy/moisture in the last 12 hours:

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/loops/wxloop.cgi?gfs_pcpn_slp_thkn+///6

I watch this model regularly and the predicted intensity of this system on the model, currently, is dwarfing the energy of the last system.

The energy appears to break up somewhat at it traverses Colorado then regain steam in the upper plains.

It has serious potential to be a bad one, and so far the regular news outlets have not seen/reported the upgraded intensity forecasts, and those in the desert SW should even expect road closures from washed out bridges. You have 24 to 36 hours to prepare, and align your ducks.
 
Loo, are you familiar with the concept of desert?  ;)

Quartzsite is much drier than Florida--it's desert!!! It averages 4 inches of rain per year. Again, its desert!  :p

I just accept when I visit my mom in Florida I'll get rained on much more. No big deal. Like we were at your gathering.
Bob

Quartzsite-weather-averages.jpg
 
I'm fortunate in that I'm in Flagstaff, AZ right now--way too hot still to be down in the desert. We're just on the outskirts of those storms that blow through from Baja.

But Phoenix could get hammered really bad! Last year at this time they had 100-year floods. They may get them again.

It's odd how often these "every 100 years" events keep happening over and over again across the country and world. I wonder what's changed?
Bob
 
I really dislike the AGW threads and hope if someone feels the need to debate Anthropomorphic global warming they go rehash the other threads/PiS$ing contests.

The water here off of Southern California is as warm as it has ever Been. I could swear it was over 76F the other morning. I think my previous maximum summers past was a brief 72f, and I no longer find temps over 72f to be refreshing, unless of course the air is 52f.

Growing up a surfer in the NE, I became an avid weather channel junkie, as that was the only real source of information pre internet. I love the tropical Swells generated, If a Nor'Easter blew up, I was hoping for it to be a Giant.

Now I live in Socal, mostly because the weather is pleasant and it is Easy/convenient to be a surfer here, Swells last for days, not hours, and one is largely well away from the weather which spawned the swells. As far as wave Quality, i got way more barrels in NJ that i do here.

I still keep close eyes on the weather, I know if Storms in the South Pacific have their fetch aimed in this direction, the sea heights, the maximum sustained winds, and I also see if the predictions of these actually come to bear and how far out they are.

The worst track record of predictions lately, in my observational opinion, is the intensity of the eastern pacific tropical systems. 3 days ago the NHC said there was 10% chance of a storm forming below Baja. Yesterday it was 30%, now it is at 70%. The GFS model I linked to a few posts up, yesterday it had just some light green with a sporadic darker green blob entering the desert SW, and not the Giant blobs of green purple and blue cover Baja and the SW as it displays now.

The track and location of this storm is going to push lot of air up the Sea of Cortez. It has no place to go but Up, and rising air is unstable. At one point even after the bulk of the tropical system moves over land, then they have the area of low pressure deepening over Baja itself. Usually tropical systems break apart over the mountains of baja and get sheared apart, but now they have this system deepening and intensifying over the mountains themselves, drawing on the extremely warm water on the Sea of Cortez side, as well as the well above average water temps on the pacific side.

This coming weather event has serious potential to do some outlandish things, and while you might be safe from desert flash floods up in Flagstaff, You might still find incredible T storms and their associated fallout.

They are calling for upto an Inch of Rain here in Coastal S california, well that was before the latest GFS model tripled the intensity of the tropical system moving in this direction. Should be interesting to see how this evening local news channels change their forecast.

We got an inch in a few hours here in San Diego last Tuesday. Kind of unprecedented at this time of year. This next one Could be a sleeper if the models are even only half accurate. Do not trust the forecasts on this one. I've got a feeling this one could be well underrated and way more unpredictable. Not that they have done a good job on any predictions as of late.

The staggering increase in intensity over the last 12 hours on the GFS model runs, just shows me how uncertain the models are. the satellite presentation of the tropical system has me think it will reach named status before landfall, even though they are not forecasting for it to do so.

Hurricane Linda, whose remnants were a large part of the moisture from last week's flooding/rain event, was never supposed to even make it beyond a brief tropical storm strength, instead it decided to achieve Cat3 Status, in the same general area where the center of the current tropical system is located.
 
SW,
Got a visit from the sheriff's patrol earlier this afternoon, they're taking this storm very seriously!  Think I'll make an early morning food and stuff run, just to be on the safe side.  I'm safe but the main road in and out here gets washed out easily.  Back country San Diego county isn't really ready for BIG rains.


Corky
 
This all just points out two key rules of boondocking:

1) Before you set up camp, always look to see where the water will go if there is a flash flood--and be somewhere else!!
2) Always be ready and able to sit out a storm or a washed out, muddy and impassable road.

A water filter or purifying tablets really should be in every boondockers kit, even if you ever use it.
Bob
 
akrvbob said:
A water filter or purifying tablets really should be in every boondockers kit, even if you ever use it.
Bob

And it does not hurt to have a way to catch some of that rain to bump up your water supply even more if stranded for a while. You can boil or distill that water if your fuel supply or local fire materials allow. Should be better to use a filter or or tablets/drops on catchment water than on water flowing on the ground (which would contain more silts and such that should be prefiltered).
 
WriterMs said:
And it does not hurt to have a way to catch some of that rain to bump up your water supply even more if stranded for a while. You can boil or distill that water if your fuel supply or local fire materials allow. Should be better to use a filter or or tablets/drops on catchment water than on water flowing on the ground (which would contain more silts and such that should be prefiltered).

Good idea about catching rain water. I would think it good to go without treatment as mother nature has already distilled it.
 
The capturing source needs to be quite clean before I'd drink any collected water. I once collected lots in a rainstorm in Western Australia, and 2 days later after transferring to a potable container immediately after collection, things were growing in it. I had not start collecting until half way through the storm when the rain has time to clean the tarps. I used it for washing. I had drinking water available, and no need to drink it. But I did sterilize the container in which I stored rainwater. Not worth the risk.

Diarrhea is no fun.
 
Where I live I have well water. There is no chlorine, or Florine or anything else added. As long as it stays in a sealed container it is good. If I leave a dirty pot in the sink to soak for too long, it starts to smell like sewer water. Same thing with a bucket of mop water. I guess the trick is making sure the water is kept in a sealed clean container. You could also ad your own chlorine.

From http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cphl/Practice/water.htm
Treating water with bleach is very effective at killing germs and it doesn't taste funny to most of us because this is basically what most city water supplies do. You need to have a bottle of plain liquid chlorine bleach and a dropper. The bleach should be 5 to 6 percent sodium hypochlorite with no preservatives and no additional ingredients. Do not use scented bleaches, color safe bleaches, powdered bleaches, or bleaches with added cleaners. You want the good old fashion stuff that smells like chlorine and burns holes in your clothes if you pour it right on them. Even this is hard to choose because it is now available in different concentrations. Ultra Clorox is a 6% solution instead of 5.25% but it is the same stuff. Keep a bottle of plain 5.25% or 6% chlorine bleach with no additives in the laundry room to use for water purification. Besides, this cleans sweat socks as well as any of the others.

To treat water with chlorine bleach, put the water in a clean container and add 16 drops of bleach for every gallon of water. Stir in the bleach and let the water stand for 30 minutes. If the water does not have a little smell of bleach, repeat the dosage of 16 drops per gallon and let it sit for another 15 minutes. If it smells of bleach now it is OK to drink. If it doesn't smell of bleach after two treatments, the water is too dirty to use. Throw it away and treat a new batch of water.
AMOUNTS OF BLEACH FOR ORDINARY CONTAINERS

1 quart bottle 4 drops of bleach
2 liter soda bottle 10 drops of bleach
1 gallon jug 16 drops of bleach (1/8 tsp)
2 gallon cooler 32 drops of bleach (1/4 tsp)
5 gallon bottle 1 teaspoon of bleach
 
SternWake said:
The capturing source needs to be quite clean before I'd drink any collected water.  I once collected lots in a rainstorm in Western Australia, and 2 days later after transferring to a potable container immediately after collection, things were growing in it.  I had not start collecting until half way through the storm when the rain has time to clean the tarps.  I used it for washing.  I had drinking water available, and no need to drink it. But I did  sterilize the container in which I stored rainwater.  Not worth the risk.

Diarrhea is no fun.

This the suggestion to always carry a filter or bottle of purifying tablets. Either a gravity filter or tables would have been effortless and totally safe.
Bob
 
akrvbob said:
This the suggestion to always carry a filter or bottle of purifying tablets. Either a gravity filter or tables would have been effortless and totally safe.
Bob

+1

My Sawyer filter will be onboard. BTW if anyone is looking at adding a filter, I highly recommend the Sawyer filters. I have the regular size because I bought it a month before they released the Sawyer Mini... :rolleyes:

There's always Micropur tablets in the first aid kit and a couple more in the emergency kit in the day pack along with the survival stuff.
 
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