Paradigm Shift - $1000 repairs per event

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Well it seems I am hit with another repair bill. Only three months after the last $1000 for vehicle repairs. Get hit with another $1000. It's the damn parts that get too expensive. This was a pulley tensioner assembly for belts. Plus had to do the brakes. If you put things off you still need to do them at the next urgent repair event.
 
I feel your pain, I'm going to end up with a 1989 made into a 2015 by the time I get everything done.
 
That's really the only reason why I ever prefer to buy a vehicle >2000's. I'm afraid of something breaking that I can't fix cheaply... I understand there are a lot of good units out there before 2000, but with my luck everything will break. My older car (1995 Honda Civic) was the only vehicle I ever owned or my family ever had that didn't have problems... Freaks me out!
 
Muffler, water pump, fuel pump, oil pump, timing belt, drive axles, AC pump, alternator, tires, shocks, brakes. Flip a coins. Heads it's $1000. Tails it's $100
 
It's amazing how fast the price of repair goes north of the thousand dollar mark. When I bought my van I took it to a trusted mechanic and had him replace all the fluids, hoses change the spark plugs and new plug wires. Started at almost $600.00 and by the time it was done it was $1100.00. The work was done by the owners son who has all the ASE Certificates hanging on the wall.

Several weeks later we were supposed to get a hard freeze and I checked my coolant. Pure rust colored. Hadn't been touched in a long time. I called the 'trusted mechanic' and inquired why this wasn't done. He said it was. I have had a lot of work done by him over the last few years with my daughters cars and mine. Now his trusted son does the work. Not too good but does it.

Thanksgiving day my transmission seemed to slip a bit for the first 10 minutes or so. I, glutton for punishment that I am, took it by his shop. Son comes out, pulls the dipstick out and declares the fluid smells burnt. Probably needs to be rebuilt. We be talking way north of a grand now. Bring it by in the morning I am told. I needed a second opinion, took it to a friends mechanic who walked out, pulled the dipstick and said he didn't smell anything (Not exactly what he said but we are G rated). He asked me if I had had it serviced and I said yes, new fluids and filter. Or so it said on my receipt from the first mechanic.

He crawls under the van then tells me there was nothing done to the tranny. Leave it with him for an hour and he would figure it out. Tossed me the keys to his loaner , a Ford Tempo, told me to grab lunch. I came back he told me I was 1 quart low on fluid, the filter was filthy and he changed it. Nothing burned nothing broken and drives fine. $50.00 out the door. Being the skeptic that I am I paid and drove home to let the thing cool and see if the problem was gone. The next morning (today) cranked up and shifted fine from start to finish.

I made it a point to drive by the first mechanics shop and tell him and his father what happened. I don't mind someone making a profit, but I detest someone stealing from me. Son is a big guy and I am an old fart so I wasn't looking for a confrontation but told them that my six kids and me would no longer use their services. I asked what other shortcuts they had done for the monies I had paid them. No answer.

Offroad, sorry if I hijacked your thread, and i will not mind if you want me to delete it just let me know via pm.

Alot of this is my fault for trusting someone and not being mechanically inclined.

Travel safe Bob J.
 
Trusting mechanics was a primary reason I decided to get more mechanically inclined.

But when special tools and a lift are required, one can't just do so in a parking lot.

Mechanics mark up part prices greatly. Also they usually will not warranty their labor on parts you provide. Given the poor quality of parts available today, either way, you're screwed.
 
bobj, That totaly sux!

Your comment Stealing was on the nail head.

since I'm mechanically inclined, been wrenching since I could hold a wrench, I get to do a lot of things myself. But as I get older I have turned to paying someone else to do the work. I've been mighty lucky so far, but if what happen to you happen to me, I'd probably be making the 6:00 o clock news~!
 
Stealing sucks. I really wish people would not act like it is only wrong if you get caught. I certainly would have gone postal and made the evening news had I paid for a service I did not receive. Some scum bag cutting corners and stealing? Infuriating!

That grossly overweight person in the grocery store express lane, paying for junk food with food stamps or vouchers or however it works( it takes forever!), nearly sent me into postal mode. That and the Xmas music. I got to start wearing headphones lest I be infuriated by Xmas music in stores.
 
MikeRuth said:
I'd probably be making the 6:00 o clock news~!

Making the 6:00 news is a good idea, just not in the way Mike meant. Most local news have a segment where they investigate/publicly humiliate someone who is scamming people, the system, etc. You could at least call the various news channels and leave your details. Who knows, it might lead to you getting some of your $ back. At the very least if the TV channel picked your story and ran it, other people would be warned.

I'd also submit a yelp comment and any other social media/forum comments I could to let others know about your experience. It won't get your money back but it might make others think twice and give you a little satisfaction. Maybe they'd change their practices if they started to lose business.

Back to original post. Sorry to hear about your woes. That's rough. Hope it gets better soon and you have a long interval between now and the next repair that is needed.

This is why I'm reading repair and maintenance for dummies or something like that. Got to start somewhere. As Almost There said to me in another post knowledge is the best tool. I'm also watching YT videos and checking stuff out on my mom's car. On my Xmas list are chocks, jack stands and a bottle jack. My family is going to think I've flipped out or been invaded by an alien :) Gotta keep 'em guessing.

But seriously, I have to say that I'm learning so much from this and other forums. Thank you to all of you who post your woes, trials and tribulations. It helps to not only know what I'm really getting myself into but also that I need to do what I can to educate myself.

I think when I get a van I'm going to be taking it in for some simple stuff and then check to see what/how the shop did it after it's done. Easy stuff I can double check like were fluids topped off and filters actually changed. If they don't do those things right, why would I trust them with more difficult things once I start doing the easier things myself?

Safe travels everyone.
 
Having a beginner's book is a great idea. All serious vandwellers would probably find that a factory service manual (usually found cheap on Ebay) for your particular vehicle is a necessary supplement.
Additionally, find and join a forum on the internet that provides repair and troubleshooting information for your vehicle. (Ford, Chev, Dodge, snailmobile, etc.)
I joined a couple of Dodge van forums a few years ago. They usually have some real sharp actual professional mechanics as members that can help you diagnose and repair a problem yourself. Considering that repair shops are now charging $100 or more an hour for labor, I've saved a bundle of cash.

Just my $.02 worth.
 
It is not appropriate to charge $90/hr. to do most the work performed. Many wrenches are working for as low as $15/hour. In 1985, shop rate was usually around $25/hr. and I was getting a starting wage of $9.50/hr. $15/hour went to the shop. Yet most incomes have not quadrupled. Owning an older, and simple to work on low mileage vehicle much easier for a shade tree mechanic like myself. However, if I become incapacitated again, I would have to pay someone else. As the economy continues to implode, some shops will be starving for work and may agree to do the work at a lower rate. Everything is negotiable. If book time is 5 hours and they charge $90, the labor would be $400. I would offer to pay $300. Some will of course refuse, but if the job is not all that difficult and business is slow, there is a better chance that they would go for it.
 
At most of the shops I've been to the price was not negotiable. However I have been approached by mechanics when leaving, offering me a much discounted price at their house.

I have also had good luck with mechanics off Craigslist. Better prices and quicker service.
 
Dealers have to charge enough to pay for the electricity, the heating oil, insurance, taxes, Social Security, health insurance, the salaries of the parts guy, the secretary, etc.

The mechanic who fixes it for you after hours doesn't have any of that stuff.  Probably pockets the cash and doesn't even report it as income.

Regards
John
 
A big expense the shade tree mechanic doesn't have is garage keepers liability insurance. This means that if he makes a mistake and you crash your vehicle, possibly even getting injured as a result you are on your own. Back in the 80's I had a motorcycle shop where I paid about $1,500/yr for the state required minimum coverage. I was just talking to a guy who is also running an independent motorcycle repair shop in my old building. He told me he pays more for his liability insurance each month than I used to pay in a year. The customer eventually must pay for this, along with hazardous waste disposal fees for things like battery, oil and tire disposal, even disposal of parts washer fluid - something that used to be nominal, but now costs a fortune. I used to pay my mechanics between 40-50% of the shop labor rate, depending on their skill level. Now a shop would go broke paying that high of a percentage, as his costs have risen disproportionately.

BTW, when I was just an independent repair shop, (early 80's) my shop rate was $24/hr. After I got my Japanese motorcycle franchise (I won't say which brand, but all were similar) I had to raise my labor rate to $30/hr as the warranty reimbursement rate was so low. For instance, if a warranty job took a skilled mechanic say 1 hour to complete (based on realistic Chilton flat rate repair manual times) you were lucky if the manufacturer reimbursed you for 45 minutes of the mechanics time (with little to no diagnostic time to identify the problem.) Plus it took you a month to get reimbursed, but you had to pay your mechanic at the end of the week, causing a cash flow issue. No one wanted to work on warranty repairs, cause the reimbursement rate was so low, so they would sometimes try to cut corners to get on to more profitable, customer paying jobs. They also made the shop buy lots of expensive special tools (many of which were available on the open market for much less) to make sure you could complete their warranty repairs and properly service their products. This shifts more of a burden on paying customers and explains why dealerships must charge more than an independent repair shop for the same work. Then there is the "normal" shop equipment that needs to be purchased, serviced and repaired, like: air compressor, lifts, boring bars, precision hones, valve seat cutters, hydraulic presses, bead blasters, parts washers, tire changers, computer diagnostic equipment, etc. these costs are also passed along to the customer as higher labor rates too.

Chip
 
I will try to say this without getting political. all cost, in every industry, is passed on. the price of doing business is passed along to those paying for the end product. even the most loved companies apple, tesla, starbucks pass the cost of doing business on. now I used to have a auto repair shop, the pace of gov regulations and the associated cost has greatly accelerated in the last 20 years. I closed my shop in 2001, at that time 43% of our operating cost was going to the gov either directly or indirectly to conform to regulations. I imagine it has not got better. I understand the need for regulation, you can't have everything running willie nillie, however this has gotten out of control. if this is to political for the mods, delete this post. my 2 cents. highdesertranger
 

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