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smitty

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I was wondering if anyone has any opinions on these batteries or know anyone who has experience with them.

https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/DURHR12=540

http://www.walmart.com/ip/UPG-45981-UPG-45981-UB121100-Group-30H-Sealed-Lead-Acid-Battery/21618840

I can get both locally, which I'd prefer. 

I've read some on Univeral agms, which I assume are the walmart one.  I've also read about some duracell batteries at sams club, which other seems to like.  But, I'm not sure if the duracell above is the same thing and my sams club only has the "energizer" ones...which I've heard not so great things about.
 
well I hope someone posts up. as far as the first one it says thinner plates for fast power output, that is not a deep cycle battery. highdesertranger
 
These are not a battery designed for repetitive deep cycle application.


The fact that they say so should be respected, as opposed to flowery marketing designed for maximum  sales numbers.

If one plans on cycling an AGM battery deeply and often, then get one which at least does not pretend to be made for this application.

A savvy shopper is not going to find a miraculous AGM battery that is resistant to deep cycling and imperfect recharging.

The price of the battery in question is hardly a great deal.

For not much more money one can get a Lifeline AGM battery, and these have no equal in the deep cycle AGM world, when their peculiar recharge needs are met..

It comes down to the battery depleter's ability to meet/approach the battery manufacturer's recommendations as to initial recharge current and absorption voltage.

The best Lead acid battery ever made, chronically undercharged, will not last as long as the worst Lead acid battery ever made  properly and promptly and fully recharged after every depletion.  

If one wants and plans on meeting or approaching  'ideal' AGM battery recharging, then these expensive batteries can yield exceptional service, but if one expects that these expensive batteries make them immune to improper or incomplete recharging, then they will waste their money.

A shopper with an AGM in mind, is not going to find a magical deal which bypasses the battery requirements.

Everything is a compromise. The cheapest AGM will last just as long as the most expensive AGM when chronically undercharged and it will be disappointing.

A Lifeline/Fullriver/Deka/ Northstar/Odyssey AGM when properly recharged will outlast and outperform an Asian AGM battery like UB battery all factors being equal.

Full river are Asian made but their parent company is Rolls Surrette, and R/S, in the flooded battery world, have No equal.  R/S flooded batteries are simply the best wet/flooded batteries in deep cycle applications.  Whether their AGM batteries can compare is up for debate.
  My opinion..... FR batts are a great AGM battery, but LifeLine is better when recharged properly.

The UB Agm battery just costs less initially.  If both the UB battery and the Lifeline AGM battery are treated well,they will give great service, but the Lifeline AGM will deliver 2 or 3x the total cycles, and can recover usable capacity when over discharged via a special charging procedure which would destroy a lesser AGM.

Treated badly/ chronically undercharged both will die at the same age/# of cycles, and the Ub battery will hurt less financially when it fails prematurely.

If price is the deciding factor, then go for the Ub battery. 

My main issues with AGm batteries sold online is that they could be a year old when purchased and a 100 AH battery might only have 80AH capacity when bought.

With batteries, you get what you pay for.  There is really no way around this.  Battery longevity is a direct correlation on how well they are recharged.  The best can recover from abuse a lesser battery could not, but the recovery procedure is  far outside the abilities of the 99% who need a recovery procedure in the first place.

Saving money on batteries is almost an Oxymoron.  

If one cannot or does not care to know what a battery needs to be happy, then get the cheapest and hope for the best.

If one does care, then treating the best battery as best as possible, will yield the best longevity and be cheaper in the long run.

In the AGM world, Lifeline have no equal when recharged properly.  Bottom of the barrel are the UB Asian AGM, but these, if properly and promptly recharged to full after every cycle, can also deliver exceptional service.

So my point is, do you know how to treat a battery?  Can you treat it properly?

If not, just get the cheapest while you learn how to, and don't get all butt hurt when it 'no longer takes a charge'  The fault lies in the mirror, not on the manufacturer label.
 
Thanks HDR, will scratch that one.

Stern-Have looked for lifelines, closest dealer I found was 2 hours away.
No, I'm no battery genius and have more to learn, which I will. I will not be taking the batteries below 50%. I will likely charge them a bit with the alt and let the solar give them a slow charge back to full each afternoon(assuming the sun is there to help).
 
The Duracell batteries to use are 6 volt golf cart batteries, in series, for 12 volts. MaineSail does not like the Duracell AGM batteries. I use the liquid lead acid, purchased at Batteries + Bulbs. Prices were better than Sam's Club.
 
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