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I think burning a kero lamp in a closed van is asking to die.<br />Use led lights and catalytic heater. Safe and cheap enough.<br />Kero lamps make heat because they are inefficient which is also why they put out fumes.<br /><br />
 
ParadiseParrot said:
I think burning a kero lamp in a closed van is asking to die.<br />Use led lights and catalytic heater. Safe and cheap enough.<br />Kero lamps make heat because they are inefficient which is also why they put out fumes.<br /><br />
<br /><br />Sounds as though you ought to stick with LED and a catalytic heater, then.&nbsp; Though an argument could be made that using a catalytic heater in a closed van is asking to die.<br /><br />Everything a person might do can be construed as asking to die if the person does it on autopilot or just doesn't do it with prudent good sense.<br /><br />In the end we don't actually need to ask to die.&nbsp; It comes with the territory.
 
josephusminimus said:
<br />&nbsp; Though an argument could be made that using a catalytic heater in a closed van is asking to die.<br />
<br />I'm glad you mentioned catalytic heaters. I have been looking at them, and their nomenclature states that they emit no harmful fumes and are safe to use in an enclosed area? <br />-Bruce
 
Ballenxj said:
josephusminimus said:
<br />&nbsp; Though an argument could be made that using a catalytic heater in a closed van is asking to die.<br />
<br />I'm glad you mentioned catalytic heaters. I have been looking at them, and their nomenclature states that they emit no harmful fumes and are safe to use in an enclosed area? <br />-Bruce
<br /><br />Some do, some don't.&nbsp; There's a coleman one here specifically says it's not for indoors, warns of carbon monoxide danger using it in an enclosed space.&nbsp; Admittedly it's an old one.<br /><br />Which merely illustrates again that broad, general sweeping statements say a lot while dissolving whatever truth they might otherwise have contained.&nbsp; Including alarmist ones <br /><br />
 
OK, Thanks Jack. <img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" /><br />-Bruce
 
&nbsp;Catalytic heaters will still 'consume' oxygen. A lot of them have a low oxygen shutoff but.. I don't like to rely on stuff like that since, if it doesn't work for some reason and my rig is sealed too tight, I might end up dead. Instead, I have a conventional old-style RV furnace (convection unit) which vents and draws air from outside. There's a small computer hooked up to a thermocouple that I've installed on it which increases it's efficiency by forcing air past the combustion chamber. Another thing I don't have to worry about is excess condensation as caused by the catalytic units.<br />&nbsp;I've used a kerosene lantern for heating and they actually pump out quite a lot of heat. The thing to watch out for is wick height. If it's out too far the flame will end up coughing out a truly tremendous amount of soot.<br />&nbsp;One catalytic heater that I used, many years ago, actually had a small 12v vent fan that sucked combustion byproducts out past the catalyst and vented it outside. That was a rather skookum little unit and I regret selling it. It still required some fresh air, though the vent fan minimized the condensation problems. <br />&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;
 
Willy said:
&nbsp;I've used a kerosene lantern for heating and they actually pump out quite a lot of heat. The thing to watch out for is wick height. If it's out too far the flame will end up coughing out a truly tremendous amount of soot.&nbsp;
<br /><br />Willy, you bring up a very good point. When I first buy a new&nbsp;oil lamp I experiment with how much wick I can expose to see what quality &amp; brightness of light I get. Every oil lamp if the wick is extended enough gives off some nasty black "sooty" smoke. I know how much to NOT extend my wicks so I get enough light without getting that "sooty" black smoke. There is nothing more disgusting than seeing that nasty smoke coming from an "oil" lamp.<br /><br />That's also why I use high quality "lamp oil" rather than kerosene as well. They do have some very good lamp oils available as well. The other benefit of using an oil lamp is that lamp oil is very inexpensive. I buy a bottle or two at a time. At $2.99 per bottle that's relatively inexpensive lighting with no draw on the van's electrical system. I'll still have&nbsp;LED lighting but leaving ANY kind of flame burning when I'm sleeping is very unsafe.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment Willy!
 
I used to live in a 16' Scotty, and we did spend quite a lot of time boondocked. &nbsp;I relied upon oil heat and lamps. &nbsp;I kept the wick trimmed and the chimney clean and didn't have much trouble with soot. &nbsp;In most months, I kept our ceiling vent up about 1/2" if the lamps or heater were burning. &nbsp;Anytime you have a flame, you need venting. &nbsp;<br /><br />To read or do needlework, I used two lamps. &nbsp;To store them when we moved, I used a milk carton, wrapped the lamp bases with newsprint on one side, and the glass chimneys with towels and a piece of cardboard between on the other. &nbsp;never lost a chimney. &nbsp;never asked to die. &nbsp;<img src="/images/boards/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />&nbsp; except once when Dave made dinner and forgot to take the seeds out of the Anaheim peppers....<br /><br />I also had an old kerosene stove/heater. &nbsp;It looked like a round Perfection heater with a flat top and a round metal plate on it. &nbsp;No longer available here, but apparently are very popular in Asia and the Mideast. &nbsp;I love it absolutely, and again, as long as the wick was properly cared for, and the ceiling was vented, fumes were not an issue. &nbsp;If it was snowing and the inches were building up, we just cracked a window open instead. &nbsp;Kept us toasty up behind pikes peak in the wintertime. &nbsp;(10,000 feet yikes)<br /><br />My kerosene stove is the only thing I have that gets hot enough for canning!<br /><br />When I go back on the road in Josephine this Feb, I'll be taking my oil lamps, my kerosene mini-stove, and my solar panels, thank you very much! &nbsp;LOL!!!<br /><br />Here's a link to the absolute best kerosene lamp/heater info and supplies shop site:<br /><br /><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="http://www.milesstair.com/">Miles Stair's wick Shop</a></strong></span><br /><br />And one to my favorite kero stove supplier. &nbsp;Another good source of info:<br /><br /><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="http://www.stpaulmercantile.com/index.php?ref=Miles&amp;action=store&amp;page=KeroseneStovesAndOven">St Paul Mercantile</a></strong></span><br /><br />
 
Angeli, that's very interesting how you used to use two oil lamps for lighing while you were boondocking. Like you, I find if I trim the wink I don't use so much lamp oil. It is important to keep a vent or window partially open to allow for proper venting.<br /><br />Thanks for the hints on how to safely pack away my oil lamps. I've had my two for over a year and enjoy using them occasionally. It would be ashamed to lose the chimney on my desktop oil lamp. I've already lost one of my chimneys on a 3rd oil lamp. One of my&nbsp;cats, Pikachu, was running&nbsp;and he knocked over the other desktop oil lamp. I really should buy another chimney as well. I have an oil lamp base that's missing it's chimney. <br /><br />I'll plan on using your suggestion of a milk&nbsp;carton to&nbsp;store my&nbsp;oil lamps when&nbsp;I'm moving as well. I never enjoy seeing one of my favorite oil lamps lose there chimney.&nbsp;Even though they're not&nbsp;expensive they still are some my favorite&nbsp;functional possessions.<br /><br />I'll also look into kerosene stoves as well. I never gave much thought using anything other than Coleman or&nbsp;Coleman type propane/dual fuel&nbsp;stoves. I'm always open to&nbsp;different options when it comes to cooking.&nbsp;A kerosene is something that I've never considered. Thanks for giving me some other cooking on the road.
 
<p>For what it's worth, this recent experience of attempting to get a 1940s vintage DuoTherm kero stove from a vintage camper working, eventually determining to convert it to diesel, convinced me a person would be equally happy with a diesel as a kero stove.&nbsp; This one burns as clean, maybe cleaner than any of the numerous kero stoves I've owned ever.<br /><br />But what impresses me more is that a person could build one easily for cooking, heating, so economically.&nbsp; Or convert a cheapo woodstove to burn diesel a lot more economically than any kero stove could accomplish the same purpose.<br /><br />Diesel's also a lot safer because it requires a higher temperature to ignite.<br /><br />While working on the DuoTherm the memory gradually came back of the diesel-burning heating stoves the US Army provided to heat our quansot huts in Korea in 1962-63, and how simple they were.&nbsp; Fuel gravity flows or syphons into the firebox via a copper tube, regulated by a needle valve.<br /><br />My guess is a person could heat a cabin or small home, cook, do everything requiring heat, a lot more cheaply than kero, propane, coleman fuel, using diesel in a home manufactured or converted stove.</p>
 
Hi Pikachu, glad you got something from that. &nbsp;<img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" /> &nbsp;I just prefer kero or as the English say 'oil' to more explosive fuels like propane, etc. &nbsp;My own thing, I freely admit. &nbsp;But it is true that a kero stove takes very little fuel.<br /><br />Josephus, &nbsp;hi. &nbsp;I don't know much about vintage DuoTherm. &nbsp;and not sure why you had an issue with it. &nbsp;The type of kero stoves I've used are wick based, and the technology is beyond simple.<br /><br />Personally, I think diesel is more expensive, and also explosive, which I don't like. &nbsp;But that's just my own thang. &nbsp;Each to his own, neh?&nbsp;<br /><br />The most recent tent heating stove I've found that the army used in the mideast, according to this Surplus place, was a combo wood/oil heater. &nbsp;It has a barrel for wood heat which converts to oil (kero) by adding a burner. &nbsp;Nice and easy.<br /><br />Actually, I'm impressed by anyone building any kind of stove at all! &nbsp;LOL!! &nbsp;Now I'll have to go look up DuoTherm stoves.
 
Be careful&nbsp;if you have critters. Animals&nbsp;and oil lamps don't mix, just ask&nbsp;Mrs. O'Leary.
 
Angeli said:
Hi Pikachu, glad you got something from that. &nbsp;<img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" align="absMiddle" border="0" /> &nbsp;I just prefer kero or as the English say 'oil' to more explosive fuels like propane, etc. &nbsp;My own thing, I freely admit. &nbsp;But it is true that a kero stove takes very little fuel.<br /><br />Josephus, &nbsp;hi. &nbsp;I don't know much about vintage DuoTherm. &nbsp;and not sure why you had an issue with it. &nbsp;The type of kero stoves I've used are wick based, and the technology is beyond simple.<br /><br />Personally, I think diesel is more expensive, and also explosive, which I don't like. &nbsp;But that's just my own thang. &nbsp;Each to his own, neh?&nbsp;<br /><br />The most recent tent heating stove I've found that the army used in the mideast, according to this Surplus place, was a combo wood/oil heater. &nbsp;It has a barrel for wood heat which converts to oil (kero) by adding a burner. &nbsp;Nice and easy.<br /><br />Actually, I'm impressed by anyone building any kind of stove at all! &nbsp;LOL!! &nbsp;Now I'll have to go look up DuoTherm stoves.
<br /><br />That wood/oil heater sounds fairly easily doable... I likes it.&nbsp; But, of course, I'd do it with diesel.&nbsp; Diesel's cheaper here and a lot easier to find than kero.&nbsp; As for the explosive nature of it, I can only say it's a lot more trouble getting it burning than kero.... less refined, as I understand it.<br /><br />Surely like the woodburner/oilburner idea though.&nbsp; A person could easily convert a cast iron wood stove to handle both, I'm thinking.&nbsp; Or build one from scratch.
 
<span id="post_message_1275576248">Be careful&nbsp;if you have critters. Animals&nbsp;and oil lamps don't mix, just ask&nbsp;Mrs. O'Leary.</span>&nbsp;
<br /><br />Indeed! &nbsp;Although we never had problems with our critters as they stayed on ground level. &nbsp;If you have cats, a good idea is to hang the lamp with the hooks provided for that, or if you have a nice antique, there are tons of setups to mount it nicely to the wall, along with chimney shields to prevent sparks and soot from discoloring anything.
 
As a side note...I don't know if this was mentioned&nbsp;earlier&nbsp;or not but there is just&nbsp;something special&nbsp;about NATURAL light (sun,stars,fire) I enjoy.&nbsp;Like a moth into a flame&nbsp;<img src="/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />&nbsp;I really am not a big fan of artificial light, especially fluorescent, yuk!<br /><br />EDIT: May be a good idea to have 2 types of&nbsp;lanterns me thinks. One for cold weather (oil or&nbsp;propane type)&nbsp;and one for hot weather (battery, led type).
 
Bob has written an article on catalytic heaters he has used and why he used them and how to use them safely.<br /> Its on the main website I believe.<br />And Joe as far as not burning kero lamps inside a van. You are correct. I will not.<br /><br />
 
Hey Willy...that's a pretty neat heater....I wonder how long it runs before you have to load it up and if it's air tight so you don't smoke yourself out of your vehicle.<br /><br />Rae
 
Willy said:
Pricey, but..
<br />NICE! I've seen them before, but I believe you have to install a small diameter chimney with it? <img src="/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" /> <br />-Bruce
 
Oil has been used in lamps since recorded history. inside a van, inside a cabin: as long as you make sure you have some ventilation you are fine. &nbsp;There is only one vehicle that I ever almost suffocated in and that was a teardrop trailer. &nbsp;It was so airtight that I came close to using up the oxygen! &nbsp;No lamps involved. &nbsp;Just snoring! &nbsp;LOL!!<br /><br />Burning a candle or lamp in a van shouldn't be a bugaboo, as long as you crack a window to vent fumes and replace oxygen for goodness sake. &nbsp;sometimes folks make it sound like you are sitting in a closed garage with the car running, waiting to die. &nbsp;Right. &nbsp;Like I said, since the beginning of recorded history....
 
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