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Hello everyone, you may call me Forcecarrier. I am pleased to have discovered this forum, and to meet you all here. My reason for being here is basically reserch and information. I plan to buy and outfit a van, and to live and travel therein, however, I have several concerns with the way I see other people building their vans, and I plan to do several things very differently, which may make my goals rather expensive. Inadvertently, and unfortunately, this means that it may take me a few years, if not more, to build my baby and take off adventuring. I'll list some of the things that I aim to do differently, and allow these topics to be our introductry conversations.

The Van Itself:
I'd say that nearly 99% of the van builds that I see, are old, rust bucket, fixer uppers. I do not plan to go that way at all. It seems like it would be a big series of problems once I got out on the road, always having to fix this or that. I plan to buy a newish utility van in good to very good condition for $25,000 to $30,000, and spend another $5,000 to $10,000 on outfitting the engine, solar, and living space.

Security:
I see very few people making security a priority. I plan on securing all the windows with bars or grids, thus even if a window is broken, access is limited. I plan on researching the gun laws of all the United States, and attempting to find a minimum regulation of sorts, so that I can travel with my guns, without being in violation simply because I crossed a state line. I find it to be stupid that all the different States have different gun laws. I feel like being within the bounds of the Federal law should override little state laws, but I need more information before I too spend much on travel guns. Id like my setup to be completely legal in American all states.

Stealth:
I will be placing a large amount of attention on stealth, and I plan on making my van appear to be a State or Government owned vehicle. Black paint, standard headlights, standard taillights, the same tires and wheels used by State vehicels ,and if at all possible, custom plates that look similar to State plates. Of course this would never fool a real cop (it isn't intended to), but at a glance it may very well deter criminals from approaching or messing with me. I am also a rather clean cut guy, and could pass for an off-duty or undercover officer, so hopefully this will work to my favor and keep trouble to a minimum.

Legality:
Id like to know exactly what is, and what is not, legal in given states, when it comes to parking to sleep. I have no intention of building a criminal record while in my travles. I was a trouble maker as a kid, but thats more than ten years ago, and with it being a decade since I have been in trouble, I aim to keep it that way. I'm not saying that I am unwilling to take risk, I'm just the type that wants to know what the risk are, and how to law low, and what to expect when caught.

I have other issues and questions, but this is a good start for breaking in to the forum, and seeing how active and informative you guys are. I look forward to your replies. Thanks in advance.
 
Welcome to the CRVL forums Forcecarrier! You should find answers to most of your questions! While I understand your concerns about security and stealth most of the time you'll won't have to worry about either of them very much. It's a lot safer and easier to find places to park once you've been doing it for awhile.

To help you learn the ins and outs of these forums, this "Tips & Tricks" post lists some helpful information to get you started. We look forward to hearing more from you.
 
Thanks so much for the advice. I too look forward to getting involved here.
 
Welcome to the forum.

It sounds like you want to travel around going to gun shows.  Could you just install a gun safe in your van?

A couple of threads I'm sure you'll enjoy, Luis converted a brand new Chevy Express and documented it in great detail here
and Baloo is doing an ambulance here.  It looks like it might be a good platform for a secure vehicle.  What about finding a used armored van?
 
The key to transport in most states that I am aware has a simple test: can you access the gun and ammunition from the passenger compartment and have a loaded weapon available. If you can, you are probably in violation of the state's transport law. Also assuming you don't have a concealed carry permit. But you're going to have to check each state individually. The state ordinances should all be online. Do not take my 'test' as gospel.
 
Look into getting an Idaho enhanced, Utah and Arizona concealed carry permits. That will cover you in something like 36 states if memory is serving me well tonight.
 
WOW rust buckets eh? That's not what I get from most of the folks on here. I certainly don't think my 2007 Ford E-150 with 52K on the odometer and not a scratch on it would be a rust bucket!.
Good luck with that black color. It will certainly help when it's cold out and you want the van to heat up on it's own, but if you plan on some west coast time, well it's gonna get HOT.

Security...Hmmm I have an alarm system, it may or may not help but it will prevent them from starting the vehicle. As for just a casual routine break in, probably not any more susceptible than anyone else out there. Bars on the window? Not for me but hey to me that means there is something worth checking out!. Pretty sure it won't slow down someone to much that's done this before.

As others said, were not the answer to the gun laws, that comes from the states and you can of course spend all the time you need to learn about each states transport law.
As mentioned above I agree that that the gun must not be accessible from the driver or passenger seats. I also believe you need to keep them unloaded and in a locked container. Ammo needs to be stored separately and preferably away from the gun.
 
HarmonicaBruce said:
Welcome to the forum.

Thank you for having me, I'm glad to be here.

HarmonicaBruce said:
It sounds like you want to travel around going to gun shows.  Could you just install a gun safe in your van?

Well, yes and no, actually. I am not opposed to going to a gun show, and I'd happily stop by and have a look, if I was near to one, but honestly, its not in my plans. The nature of my questions lie in my ability to carry my gun(s) from state to state, in a legal manner. I have heard of people owning guns and carrying them legally within their home state, and while visiting family out of state, ended up having their guns taken by cops, and ended up in court, simply because the law was different in that state. Personally I think thats stupid, but I dont want to be breaking ten different laws each time I cross a state line. I plan on visiting all American states. If I have to go pay hundreds of $$$ and do new paperwork in EVERY state, I see that as a money racket, and I hate capitalism all the more.

HarmonicaBruce said:
A couple of threads I'm sure you'll enjoy, Luis converted a brand new Chevy Express and documented it in great detail here
and Baloo is doing an ambulance here.  It looks like it might be a good platform for a secure vehicle.

Thank you very much for the links. I'll certainly study them.

HarmonicaBruce said:
What about finding a used armored van?

Stealth would be an issue there, but I love the idea. Thanks for the concept.
 
Seraphim said:
The key to transport in most states that I am aware has a simple test:  can you access the gun and ammunition from the passenger compartment and have a loaded weapon available. If you can, you are probably in violation of the state's transport law. Also assuming you don't have a concealed carry permit. But you're going to have to check each state individually. The state ordinances should all be online. Do not take my 'test' as gospel.

Indeed, Seraphim, I will likely have to spend many hours looking into 50+ different legal standards. Obviously, traveling while armed is something they want to limit. Remmber back when being armed was a right? Hmpf, so much for the American Constitution.
 
Howiet said:
Look into getting an Idaho enhanced, Utah and Arizona concealed carry permits.  That will cover you in something like 36 states if memory is serving me well tonight.

Indeed? Thank you very much for the information. I'll certainly look into that.
 
MikeRuth said:
WOW rust buckets eh? That's not what I get from most of the folks on here. I certainly don't think my 2007 Ford E-150 with 52K on the odometer and not a scratch on it would be a rust bucket!.

My statement was certainly not a judgement of this forum or its members, and certainly not yourself either. I said that because after becoming interested in VanDwelling, I sought videos on Youtube, and I kept finding these... well... dirty people in old beat up vans, with messy hair and strange clothes. Long story short, I am OCD about my environment and it being clean. Also, I am clean shaven, and try to keep a general neatness about myself. I am sure that I will discover others who share my standards in this regard. If I have to spend a little more for a nice home on the road, I will, and if I have to spend a little more on keeping clean, I'll do that too. My philsosphy is that anything worth doing, is worth doing right.

MikeRuth said:
Good luck with that black color. It will certainly help when it's cold out and you want the van to heat up on it's own, but if you plan on some west coast time, well it's gonna get HOT.

Yes Sir. I love the heat of the sun. If its too much I can park in the shade and turn on the fans, but I loath the chill of winter, at least when Im trying to sleep. Im much more worried about staying warm than I am cooling off.

MikeRuth said:
Security...Hmmm I have an alarm system, it may or may not help but it will prevent them from starting the vehicle. As for just a casual routine break in, probably not any more susceptible than anyone else out there. Bars on the window? Not for me but hey to me that means there is something worth checking out!. Pretty sure it won't slow down someone to much that's done this before.

You may be right, but everything I own will be in there, so Ill seek the greatest security I can afford.

MikeRuth said:
As others said, were not the answer to the gun laws, that comes from the states and you can of course spend all the time you need to learn about each states transport law. As mentioned above I agree that that the gun must not be accessible from the driver or passenger seats. I also believe you need to keep them unloaded and in a locked container. Ammo needs to be stored separately and preferably away from the gun.

Sounds like I may have to lock it up to drive, and get it out to sleep. Personally I think its silly to have the right to own something that Im not allowed to have within reach. Its becoming illegal to defend yourself these days.
 
 I like the armoured car suggestion, especially if you painted it flat black you could blend in with hubcaps like the LA SWAT team. I am not sure it would stand out anymore then a brand new black government looking van with bars on all the windows. Your biggest hassle when trying to be stealth will likely be LEOs so if you don't blend in then you are standing out. May I suggest plate steel as interior panelling a gun turret that pops out between the solar panels, and vents on all sides large enough to get a scope out of. Welcome :)  
 
A concealed carry permit gives you the right to carry a loaded gun in 36 states--get one in multiple states to have the most states possible.

A couple of books that list the states gun laws are:

http://www.amazon.com/Gun-Laws-State-Reciprocity-Reference-ebook/dp/B00RNG34Y8/

http://www.amazon.com/United-States-Travelers-Firearm-Paperback/dp/0972548963/

You can also buy smartphone apps listing each states gun laws.

Obsessive fear and cleanliness are not normal for human beings, they are a by-product of civilization over the last 5000 years and are pounded into you from your birth by your parents, schools, customs and the media.

Fearful people are generally easier to control and manipulate so it's encouraged. In the USA, we are the safest people who have ever lived on the planet, and yet we are also one of the most fearful. It's nearly all an illusion.

Hopefully, as you transition to being a full-timer, some of the fears will fall away and you'll relax a bit. I know that happened for me. I carry a .357 magnum and have never even been close to using it in 13 years of full-timing. But, I'm still very glad I have it. When something goes bump in the night sometimes I wrap my hand around the grip and feel better. But that's rare.

Fear has nearly completely disappeared from my life; I wish the same for you.
bob
 
Most of the guys I know get their carry permit from fla or Utah. They reciprocate with 36-38 different states but it does change all the time. Just stay out of Chicago, New York City and mass. Very uptight when it come to firearms. I think the house or senate has bills introduced to make this a thing of the past but states will fight this tooth and nail.
 
Some of the most decent, good hearted, generous people I've known have been what you are considering to be "dirty people in old beat up vans, with messy hair and strange clothes".
I met a fellow once, rather disheveled. I assumed he was down and out. Turns out he was an internationally renowned photographer that worked for National Geographic. Lesson learned.
Don't judge the book by it's cover. Vandwellers are a helpful bunch, and run the gamut from "rust buckets" to high end rides. What we all share is the love of the road and the freedom it gives. We are all one tribe. When you have car trouble and one of those dirty people offers to help, don't assume they are wanting to rob you. What Bob said about fear is very true. Once you're out on the road, I think a lot of your worry will fade away.
Welcome.
 
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