Make ice in 110v mini freezer?

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Watch_Cowspiracy

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I'm toying with the idea of getting a 1 cubic foot freezer, an inverter (which I need anyway), and a couple of coolers. This way, I can make ice in the freezer, shut it off, put the ice in the coolers and thereby save money on 12 volt compressor coolers and have more room without having to buy ice. 
The freezer is rated at 80 watts, so no worries in terms of power draw, and I'd only need to run it a few times a week.

Has anyone done this? Would it really save money or is it just a pipedream?
 
No expert here, but I would think that would be less efficient.  Especially to phase water into ice (something like 700 times more energy to go from 33 to 32 degrees)... might be better to just spend the energy on a cooler.   ...???...
 
I'm not too concerned with being energy efficient. A 100 watt panel should run the thing just fine and if it's a cloudy day there would still be plenty of juice in the batteries. I'm more concernes about the total cost. A teeny tiny 12 volt cooler would cost me at least $400 whereas this freezer is a hundred bucks and normal coolers (which would give me loads more space) are super cheap.
 
I thought about that too. After searching this forum and other sources, it seems like those icemakers would be perfect but they're designed to make ice to cool drinks quickly. Meaning that they make small ice that melts quickly, which wouldn't be so good for storing in a cooler.
 
A mini-freezer plus a couple of coolers would take up a lot of room.

A quick glance at 1.1cuft freezer at WM shows dimensions of 17x20x21.
 
Depends on how big the trailer is and what else you're carrying.
 
Watch_Cowspiracy said:
I'm not too concerned with being energy efficient. A 100 watt panel should run the thing just fine and if it's a cloudy day there would still be plenty of juice in the batteries. I'm more concernes about the total cost. A teeny tiny 12 volt cooler would cost me at least $400 whereas this freezer is a hundred bucks and normal coolers (which would give me loads more space) are super cheap.

100 watt panel? I see many batteries in your future. That freezer is going to have to be run off of a inverter, have to be run at night and it will run a lot trying to freeze water filling it especially if you want it hard frozen.
 
Yes even a much more efficient 12V compressor fridge requires more panel than that unless you live somewhere it's always sunny.

And 200+AH true deep cycle bank to get over the cloudy days.

Without any other loads, like screen devices, fan etc.

So putting in such a thirsty fridge makes little sense unless you have room for lots of panels and budget for a very robust energy system.

Like 25AH / day vs 60-80+

But yes it can be done, for me I think it's worth saving up for more a efficient 12V compressor unit, can sometimes find bargains.
 
Watch_Cowspiracy said:
I'm not too concerned with being energy efficient. A 100 watt panel should run the thing just fine and if it's a cloudy day there would still be plenty of juice in the batteries. I'm more concernes about the total cost. A teeny tiny 12 volt cooler would cost me at least $400 whereas this freezer is a hundred bucks and normal coolers (which would give me loads more space) are super cheap.


What I did is different.  I used a 120 volt mini fridge with a freezer compartment to make ice.  The ice stays in the freezer compartment with no separate cooler.  The ice keeps it cold for up to 3 rainy days.  Lots of extra insulation keeps out heat to require less heat pumping.  One 100 watt panel keeps my "teeny tiny" fridge cold.

https://vanlivingforum.com/showthread.php?tid=27624  

The tiny compressor fridge price range is lower.  On Amazon you can get a fridge called Alpicool C15 for $199.  One contributor to this forum has one.  Her experience with it has been limited as her van is cold inside during winter.  

Keeping several large coolers cold will take a lot of ice.  What makes my fridge work is the extra insulation keeps out heat.  The "loads more space" of a couple of coolers will require 5 to 10 pounds of ice per day each.  With one 100 watt panel you can make 2 to 3 pounds per day most days.
 
I don't think you will be able to keep up with the demand for ice in the summer. you will be trying to freeze water 24/7 = lots of energy. I tried almost everything to get around buying a 12v refrigerator. in the end I bought one, then another and another. I would have been dollars ahead if I would have just bought one to begin with. the last one I bought was slightly used for 300 bucks, check Craig's list. highdesertranger
 
How much refrigeration do you need, and what are you putting in your coolers?  Have you considered just using the freezer and skipping the coolers altogether?  Over time I have learned to do without any cooler.  So many things really don't need to be kept in a cooler.  I have switched to just using a 12v freezer.  Even having the freezer is more of a luxury than a necessity.  In the rare times that I need a cooler, I use an over-insulated lunchbox sized cooler with a water bottle out of my freezer.  If you are interested here is a brief overview of my system from a different forum post:

I frequently camp high in the mountains for extended periods of time without town breaks. I dehydrate and can a lot of foods and have a few freeze dried meats, but I also carry a number of fresh fruits and vegetables along with tortillas, eggs, cheese, and butter,etc.

Apples, oranges, grapes, kiwis, tomatoes (the little ones in the boxes last longest), peppers, onions, garlic, celery, full sized carrots, potatoes, heads of lettuce and cabbage are some of the fresh stuff I usually carry. The vegies with root bottoms like lettuce and celery, I trim the end and put a damp paper towel against it, then put it loosely in its bag. Scallions will grow in a cutoff water bottle with a damp paper towel in the bottom. I did mention potatoes as a possibility, and I have carried them at times, but I find I use the dried ones such as mashed potatoes, hashbrowns, and scalloped potatoes more often.

I have two mesh hammocks that the fresh stuff swings in. I will sometimes put a damp car towel over the hammock for a little humidity and cooling. The hammocks keep the vegies from being beaten to death when I move my camper on washboarded roads. And they seem to last longer in them than on a counter. So far I have only had to discard a few bruised outer leaves on the lettuce heads.

Some loaves of bread and bagels will also keep for an amazing amount of time. Preservatives! Although with some simple staples such as flour, yeast, baking pwd and baking soda, I can make or "bake" lots of pan breads, muffins, and even cookies and pizza on the stove top.

Some other non refrigerated items I haven't seen mentioned are tofu, crackers, cookies, peanut butter, jams, Parmesan cheese, and drink mixes. You can even get powdered or dried hummus and refried beans, You can also buy powdered buttermilk, pwd sour cream, blue cheese, and salad dressings. The powdered buttermilk, sour cream, and even the blue cheese pwd add some nice tang and taste to many dishes. Also ketchup, mustard, vinegar salad dressings, soy sauce, and some pickles and relishes, along with some other condiments don't need refrigeration.

I buy mayo and bbq sauce in the packets. The mayo I don't trust without refrigeration, the bbq sauce I get in packets because I don't use much. I also frequently carry packets of other condiments to add to sandwiches etc when I am out fishing on a river.

I carry a lot as I don't know how long I will be up in the mountains at a time. This last summer I spent three and a half months camping. During that time I got down to towns for shopping only a few times when the smoke cleared out of the valleys for a brief period or two.

Now I have a 46 Engel freezer/fridge that I use as a freezer for meats, some veggies, and a few snacks. It is a luxury to have, but not an absolute necessity. I still don't use a fridge or cooler anymore. Ive found that I really don't need a fridge very often.
 
Watch_Cowspiracy said:
A 100 watt panel should run the thing just fine and if it's a cloudy day there would still be plenty of juice in the batteries.

No, not likely. A 100W panel can probably charge your batteries or run your fridge, but not both at the same time.

I have 270W of solar (which I can tilt toward the sun in winter) charging 208AHr of batteries and running a small-ish 12V compressor fridge set at 35°F. The fridge is also encased in a box made of 2" foam. I'm not making ice, just holding a stable temperature. The fridge cycles on and off. During bad weather the batteries often get drawn down to about 60% capacity by late afternoon, so I turn off the fridge until the next morning to avoid going into the battery-damaging sub-50% range.
 
I should clarify, I would be running the freezer for about 6 hours, once every few days or so. It wouldn't be running 24/7 and certainly not at night.
 
It takes more than 6 hours to get everything cooled down.

Designed to be run 24*7, most efficient used that way.
 
what I was trying to say is in the summer when it's hot 6 hours every couple of days ain't going to cut it, you will be making ice continuously. unless you buy a couple of the high dollar ice chest that keep ice for days. but then it would be cheaper to buy a12v refer. like I said look around for a used 12v. by the time you buy your freezer and the rest of your set up you could have bought a used 12v. believe me I know, yes I know. highdesertranger
 
Watch_Cowspiracy said:
I should clarify, I would be running the freezer for about 6 hours, once every few days or so. It wouldn't be running 24/7 and certainly not at night.

Unfortunately, you will use more energy to make ice than the ice can absorb when used as a refrigerant. It takes 144 BTUs to turn one pound of 32 degree water into one pound of ice. That same pound of ice can then absorb 144 BTUs when used as a refrigerant. The first problem is that you probably won't start with 32 degree water. It will be 60 degree water or whatever value you want to pick. You'll be using additional BTUs to chill the water to 32 degees.

Then you have mechanical losses. 3.41 BTUs equals 1 watt, but every watt of electricity will yield only a percentage of the equivalent BTUs due to friction, heat, and inertia in the refrigeration package.  So, you're expending more energy to make ice than the ice is capable of returning in refrigeration capacity. It's more efficient to store those watts of power in the battery and then apply them directly to your refrigeration load than trying to store them in the form of ice.

That's my back of the envelope analysis, anyway. Maybe some one with a refrigeration background will chime in and explain it better or tell me what I'm overlooking.
 
That portable Ice Maker, linked previously by a poster, is the way to go. I have a friend who runs one continuously at burning Man off of my solar, very efficient and fast for cubes, low power draw. Actually I think I'm going to buy one now lol.
 
seak said:
Unfortunately, you will use more energy to make ice than the ice can absorb when used as a refrigerant. It takes 144 BTUs to turn one pound of 32 degree water into one pound of ice. That same pound of ice can then absorb 144 BTUs when used as a refrigerant. The first problem is that you probably won't start with 32 degree water. It will be 60 degree water or whatever value you want to pick. You'll be using additional BTUs to chill the water to 32 degees.

Then you have mechanical losses. 3.41 BTUs equals 1 watt, but every watt of electricity will yield only a percentage of the equivalent BTUs due to friction, heat, and inertia in the refrigeration package.  So, you're expending more energy to make ice than the ice is capable of returning in refrigeration capacity. It's more efficient to store those watts of power in the battery and then apply them directly to your refrigeration load than trying to store them in the form of ice.

That's my back of the envelope analysis, anyway. Maybe some one with a refrigeration background will chime in and explain it better or tell me what I'm overlooking.

I'll second this. The fewer "conversion" steps, the better. Sun->electricity->mechanical->thermal (Ice) ->thermal (cool the food)
Just go Sun->electricity->mechanical->(food)

Like Watch said, you won't necessarily be starting with 32 degree water unless you are at a creek in the mountains in the late winter/early spring.

You also cannot "make" cold. You remove heat. Removing heat also generate its own heat, which consumes energy...
 
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