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VanLifeCrisis

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Remember that you should be considerate about it! I was mooching in mcdonalds and so was this guy, truck driver. He kept playing loud videos and music, not even trying to turn it down. This kinda things make owners and managers crack down :(
Guess its not surprising, he also left his truck in the middle of the road blocking turning lane into the mcds, a gas station, and a bank...he was in there before me and still annoying as i left an hour later.
Sheesh
 
it's simple.


...some people have absolutely no idea what 'being considerate of others' means, what manners are, nor any idea of what to to with 'em in the first place! :dodgy:
 
Another thing to consider is bandwidth. Videos, torrents, huge downloads, and whatnot can slow thingsdown to a crawl for everyone. ..Willy.
 
Well, how else am I supposed to watch my 30 minute Youtube clips in HD??
 
bindi&us said:
We have often found strong wifi in the wee hours and that's when we hit it for heavier lifting than checking email, etc.
Agreed. At 4-5 am, nobody else is using McD's WiFi, so use all you want.
 
So don't mooch in the McDs. Stay in your car. Why would you want to mooch inside anyways? It's generally not within a McD employee's pay grade to hassle you in the parking lot, but if you sat around inside the restaurant forever not buying anything, I'd expect them to say something. Certainly, you're calling a lot of unwanted attention to yourself.

I do toss them some actual biz from time to time, but I don't worry too much about McDs bottom line, big abusive corporate entity that they are. I was more in favor of their coffee unti I quit drinking coffee. I liked their $1 McDouble, the dog and I would order 4 and split 'em. Now they want $1.19 for the same thing and I've rebelled. Started exercising the discipline of buying a block of cheese or deli cuts at a grocery store and having it on hand. Went to all the other fast food joints seeing what they offered on their "dollar" menus nowadays, but I think what's happening is these joints hate "dollar" menus and would very much like to phase 'em out. So they make big splashy displays for their more expensive meals and price creep the cheap stuff.

McD does have one remaining value: if it's godawful cold, their food is warm and immediate! I almost went for 'em the other night, but my car heater wasn't warmed up enough as I was driving past the McDs. So I skipped 'em and did offline stuff at the Walmart parking lot down the road. Instead of $4.76 worth of McDoubles I ate $0.68 of Great Value chili beans.
 
They have either a subpar router or configured to limit it beyond the resturant. If i had a very strong antenna set up i probably could snag it, like with my alpha and my laptop, but i prefer to use my tablet. I know i can rig up something to create a mifi off an external antenna but walking inside and sitting down is cheaper and saves me propane on heat while im in there ;)
 
It is true that I use a fullblown "desktop replacement" laptop that has 3 wifi antennae in it. My iPod doesn't get anywhere near the range. That's a pretty crap McDs though if you're not getting an ok signal somewhere in the parking lot. I've been able to get one in 95% of McDs I've been to. One important point though, is you need to park in sight of the glass in the front of the restaurant. Concrete walls are blockers. So around the back where people are taking orders at the drive by menu, is not going to work. I'm cheeky enough that I will drive around a McD parking lot first, proving I can get a signal somewhere, before even considering paying for food. 'Cuz if I walk in, buy cheezeburgers I didn't entirely need, then walk out and find I've got no wifi for having paid the 'rent', I'm a pretty big chump right? Well except that I've stolen so much wifi from McDs that I sorta owe 'em, but still, I mostly hold to the principle of "paying for performance".

I once spent a week trying to make a wifi antenna booster for an apartment complex I lived in. Lotsa cutting of precise parabolas and aluminum foil and cardboard and measurements etc. Scaled up a big model too using a plastic box and the stand for a DirecTV antenna. None of it mattered. My complex had a lot of forests, and the water in trees does block signals. Probably I had no useful lines of sight along which to get a boost. I didn't experiment with my equipment by "war driving" because I didn't have a need for that sort of thing at the time, I was trying to get wifi into my apartment.

I did not build a serious hardcore cylindrical correct waveform distance spaced "war driving" antenna. That's what I'd try if I was going to make another go at it.
 
If you build one of those war driving antennas, is it best to place it in the windshield for best reception while sitting in a parking lot? Or do you actually mount it outside of your vehicle?
 
I don't see why you'd have to mount it outside your vehicle, as glass is radio transparent. I don't think you'd want to mount it outside your vehicle, as any permanent external bracket would make your car or van look funny / attract attention, even if you mount and dismount the antenna itself. It wouldn't look funny on a RV, but you might not want the wind resistance. Maybe there are better aerodynamic antenna designs. War driving is typically someone in motion just aiming the thing wherever by hand.

I'm not convinced there are a lot of circumstances in the urban fabric where having a super duper antenna is necessary or beneficial. I can pull into a McDs parking lot and be left alone just fine, for as many hours as I typically want to be there. Ditto Lowes or Home Depot during the day. The usual problem is parking near coffee houses during daytime hours. If parking is bad enough that you don't have any line of sight, an antenna can't help you with that.

Also for an internet connection you can't just receive, you also have to transmit. I've generally got my laptop's transmit power maxed. Would need more engineering than a simple can antenna, I think, to make a good transmitter.
 
bvanevery said:
Also for an internet connection you can't just receive, you also have to transmit. I've generally got my laptop's transmit power maxed. Would need more engineering than a simple can antenna, I think, to make a good transmitter.

A stronger antenna will help with transmissions as well.
 
Well, I guess you have to figure out how the antenna is going to work with your laptop. I didn't get into that so much. I was trying to add a parabolic "ear" to a USB plug antenna. Such a device is going to consume more power than what the laptop has on board, which could affect your laptop run time. I guess this subject needs followup in a war driving forum that has greater expertise than I have.

Meanwhile, this post brought to you by McDs for $0. The gas to get here cost money, but it was cold so I needed to drive to warm up the car anyways. It's next to the Walmart I'm going to crash at again.
 
I plan to put a big ass powered antenna that runs nearly the length of my van, that will fold down, when I'm not parked. I read about a guy that was sending and recieving from a wifi nearly four miles away with one.

That said, let me tell you about another common free wifi most people dont know about... hotels and motels. All of them have free wifi, and the password/user name is almost always the same. "guest" and the first word of the name of the hotel (IE holiday or quality etc) and if that dosent work, the front desk people will almost always just tell you if you ask.
 
Is that 4 mile wifi by an open line of sight, or bouncing around buildings? Does transmission work as well as reception? In the urban fabric, if such an approach really worked, I'd expect a lot of interference from many wifi sources. Sounds like more of a rural "can see a transmission tower" arrangement.
 
I have a friend with a CC Crane wifi antenna:
http://www.ccrane.com/antennas/wifi...gclid=CLHfxsLSrrwCFVhufgodtxsArA#.Uu7bOhCwJcQ

When we were at Quratzsite together, he picked up and logged onto the Loves Truck stop that we measured as 5 miles away. It is line of sight. At night you could barely see their sign in the dark. It works. He does put it on a mast and has it about 6 feet above his van and the higher the better.

Something that works good is a painters extension pole that goes from 6 foot to 12 foot. Again, the higher the better!! That pole also works good for your TV antenna.
Bob
 
2.4 ghz spread spectrum is what wifi uses. Talk to some amateur ham radio folks and get educated on this. If you can see it you can work it.
 
I also second the C.Crane wifi booster antenna, which I have. As someone else one pointed out, "height is might", therefore the higher the antenna above the vehicle, the better.

From my own experience, the C.Crane antenna positively works better OUTSIDE the vehicle versus inside. I get way more bars and networks available with the antenna outside the vehicle.

I have my antenna permanently affixed to the roof with a 25 feet USB cable running from roof to inside of van to my windows laptop.

I've read of others using PVC pipe material to place an antenna inside to better insulate the antenna against the elements. Seems like a good idea.

Fortunately, I don't have to rely on my wifi antenna. Instead I use the wifi mobile hotspot on my smartphone which works way better unless I'm in the boonies. Plus I would NEVER ever use public wifi for doing sensitive things as online banking that requires passwords.
 
I also use a CC.Crane ant. I made a mount with a piece of PVC pipe and a suction cup shower handle I wrapped the pipe with back tape looks good , just stick it to the side of the vehicle high up and away we go(5' pvc good hieght) .....I also downloaded a program(free) inSSIDer 3 which is great for seeing whats available and tweeking the signal. it has doubled what I find available and upped the signal alot!!
 
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