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Hi-my name is Donna and I am very glad to have found this forum.  My husband and I are hoping to be able to be on the road part time.   Our plans are that this would include mostly boondocking.  

It seems many of the areas where it is free to stay are in the desert.  Has anyone had issues with snakes, scorpions or spiders?  I am not sure how I would deal with being bit or stung.[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]  [/font]Growing up in the Northwest I have not had any experience with this.  Thank you for your answers and advice.
 
Welcome Donna to the CRVL forums! You really don't want to be in the desert in the summer. Go to free campsites.net for more camping areas. When it gets hot, you either go up in elevation or further north.

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South in the winter, and North in the summer. Or deserts in the winter, mountains in the summer.

Research both avoidance and first aid for all worrisome critter encounters no matter what the environment. Then don't let them interfere too much with your enjoyment of all kinds of places.

My guess is that more people have to deal with mice and sometimes rats than they do snakes and scorpions (most spiders are harmless).

I had alligator brain while wintering on a cedar head in Florida. But I still have all of my limbs and digits!

Watch out for the chiuawolves in the desert!
 
Dear Ravella and X: thanks so much for your response. hmmm, never heard of chiuawolves...are you pulling my leg or is there such a thing?
 
Ive lieved around rattlesnakes most of my (allegedly) adult life, and had a number of, "interesting" encounters with them, including having one in my cabin. Mostly I end up killing them, particularly anywhere close to home or places I frequent with the dog(s), Im happy, the dog is happy, everybody is happy except the snake, but Im OK with that. Having had one dog bit in the face in the yard was enough. Ive been very close to them on many occasions and so far havent been bit. I may have been lucky too. The 9mm and 38 spl and larger birdshot loads for pistols work very well at ranges of up to about 10 feet (5 feet being WAY better), then the pattern spreads too much to give good densities needed to kill snakes. the 22 birdshot loads have been unreliable in general, sometimes they work OK, sometimes they dont. I decided to just use the ones that work, the 38 and up sizes.

Theres one thing I plan to do different in the future, and thank you for reminding me, I will get rock lights and set them up as approach lights, they can be activated with the door remote as in this vid. The issue is Ive had several rattlesnakes come out from underneath my vehicle, day and night, night being much more difficult to see them of course. Seeing them is the main thing to avoiding them.



Many people live and recreate in snake country, its not a huge deal, but paying attention to stuff around you can make a big difference in not having problems.

Some spiders are just creepy, like tarantulas, some can be unhealthy and dangerous, like black widows. Look inside stuff that may have them hanging out or hiding, kill them when you find them, or not, but if they are dead its hard for them to bite you. Ive found many dozens of them living in the northern rockies. I think the last one I saw was walking across my pillow on my bed as I was taking a nap. It was about 4 inches in front of my face. I flicked it off on the floor and squished it and went back to napping. No desert, just home sweet home. Just go enjoy the desert, its not so bad, maybe safer than my house. :)

Scorpions arent generally very dangerous unless you are allergic to them, like being allergic to bee stings, and you are probably more likely to be stung by a bee than a scorpion. I know people that have been stung by scorpions, they say its either little to no pain and swelling, to something like a bee sting that swells up some for a day or two then goes down. put some baking soda on the wet folded up paper towel on a sting and it reduces it quite a lot. No idea how it works, maybe its magic, but it works. Scorpions are creepy looking but not really all that dangerous. They are sort of fun to go look for now and then, and show people that havent seen them before. Look under rocks, dried cow poop, large pieces of wood or junk, they eat ants mostly I believe. They also fluoresce under ultravioet light.
 
If you have a dog don’t let it wander off leash. Snakes don’t bother you but if startled will strike. And even here which is full of rattle snakes few vets keep anti-venom7F37FF87-A5F3-45EF-9223-BB8C7B501C4D.jpeg
 

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Arrived in Quartzsite in late November at La Posa South and am still there. Saw zero snakes, one tiny spider, have not seen any scorpions, not even with a black light at night. Only saw 2 mice, both in the evening. Mice are around but did not invade my rig. Heard coyotes but never saw one come into my campsite, they love to eat mice for their dinner.

Dont worry so much, you will be OK in the desert in the late fall through early spring. I can't commnent about the rest of the year as I have not been here then and am unlikely to be as it is too hot for comfort.

Saw various small, friendly wildlife creatures, mostly various types of birds.
 
LERCA said:
If you have a dog don’t let it wander off leash. Snakes don’t bother you but if startled will strike. And even here which is full of rattle snakes few vets keep anti-venom

I would contest the claim "they wont bother you". They may, or may not, intend to bother you, but they can also blunder into you or simply be suddenly where you dont expect them to be and you can step on them or otherwise be too close and they will react defensively. I had one come out of a bush behind my dogs, see them and coil and rattle, totally a blunder on the part of the snake, and the dogs about stepped on it when I tried to get them away from it. Was it intentional on the snakes part, no, but the end result is the same, they can act aggressively because of their own clumsiness and blundering. Its also reported that some of the Mohave Green subspecies, some of which look like diamondbacks, do act quite a aggressively towards people and anything or one they encounter. The Mohaves also have a more potent venom.

Some say the rattle is purely defensive and they simply want to get away from you, i disagree, after many dozens of snake encounters, Most seem to have a real attitude. Just my take on it. Ive learned to dislike them immensely. Others may do as they wish.
 
chiuawolves...are you pulling my leg or is there such a thing?

Well, it's like this: we were camped at Catnip Reservoir all by ourselves. Well, except for the nesting geese, a bunch of other kinds of birds, a dozen or so antelope, and a band of coyotes. The coyotes would wake me with their howls and yips in the wee hours most nights. But then, the chorus was silent, and in its place, and quite close to my little egg home, there was this pitiful yip and howl with timbre more like a tiny lap dog than a coyote. Yet the howls were long and drawn out, like those of a wolf.

And this is how chiuawolves came to be in my vocabulary. So yeah. To me, they are real-ish.
 
Rattlesnakes stay underground untill temps get into the 80s or higher. In 8 years of winter boondocking in Arizona I've never seen one. I did catch a patch nosed snake once but they're harmless. Tarantulas are harmless and generally stay out of sight except during mating season in the fall. Huntsman spiders will come out during a good rain and climb any vertical surface to escape the water. They're big but generally harmless. Mice are the most annoying critters you'll encounter in the desert.
 
Lots of rattlesnakes here in the Pacific Northwest during the summer so I'm more careful here than in AZ. Had to move this one out of the way before getting on my bike. Ochoco Mountains.

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Was just thinking about seeing few things llike snakes, mice and insects in my 6 month stay on Blm this fall, spring and winter. The coyotes hunt for those at night for food, mice eat insects as well as seeds. In the daytimes the birds are on patrol. There are aleays hawks, crows and other birds circling overhead hunting food such as insects, small snakes, lizards and mice and the quail are on the ground in the washes looking for insects that nest there. Food is scarce in the desert so the predator species such as birds and coyotes do a very good job of controlling bugs, reptiles and rodents. I see lots of birds but almost never see any creepy crawlies because the birds are on the constant prowl for them.
 
Rattlesnakes dislike high temps as much as they dislike low temps. Their preferred temp range is 80-90° so you rarely see them outside of those temps.

Here's the way you avoid all things that bite and most things that sting, Never put your hands and feet where you can't see. Never ever. Your best defense for rattlesnakes is your eyes, brain, and a walking stick.

Final thought, all these things that you are afraid of are not just in the desert they can be found everywhere.

Hey Hugemoth I have prospected the Ochoco's. Beautiful area. That's one big guy there.

Highdesertranger
 
Temps. Rattlesnakes will start coming out in the spring when it gets into the 60s, and when it reaches, 70s, you can expect them out regularly. In the cooler temps, they often find sunny spots to warm up in so they function better, but 60s day temps is my temp range to start watching out for them.

In the deserts and high plains, (I have prairie rattlers where I live, which are also a bit grumpy about people) the day and night temps can vary by 30 degrees or a bit more. Snakes become rather torpid at night and early morning until they warm up, but they are definitely out when its 60s and above in the daytime.
 
Remember in the north where even the summers tend to be cool there won't be much problem with cold blooded animals,  reptiles and the like.  Certain insects like scorpions & fire ants won't likely be around either.

If you are traveling with pets, try to remember cold blooded animals don't have a sent like warm blooded ones.  Dogs often don't know what to make of them since they can see them but cannot smell them....and they get bit.

There are many more places west of the Mississippi River to Boondock or camp free on Government lands.
But still there are those east of the Mississippi.  The National & State parks with lots of human activity is a natural deterrent to most of the varmints that would be a menace.  Of course there may be mosquitoes, wasp, bees, ticks, etc.  But when you go into the wilderness you are going into their territory.

This satellite image of the USA taken after dark will give you an idea of how populated the east is compared to the west.

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Some are very timid and readily avoid you but there are some species of snakes that can be more aggressive. But in my experience all of them would prefer to avoid any contact with humans. AS people have pointed out they are reptiles and depend on the outside temperature to regulate their body temperature. Too cold, you won't see them, too hot, you won't see them. Warming but still cold you will find them in direct sun or on surfaces such as pavement and rocks that retain heat, too hot and they come out at night when it cools to hunt.

When I've encountered snakes with dogs along, the dogs have shown great caution when they heard it rattle, but I'm not sure of their awareness of the snakes location. (Might be better than ours, I'm just not sure. None of my dogs could talk.) Dogs move more rapidly and recklessly and could surprise a snake which is when most strikes occur.

Make noise, shuffle your feet to create vibration on the ground if you suspect they may be nearby. In my 60+ years of hiking in areas where snakes live I've probably encountered rattlesnakes 15-20 times but never had one strike at me or had anyone in the party, human or canine bitten.

I once heard my ex wife scream "Snake!!" and looked down to see the snake coming towards me due to trying to get away from her.
 
eDJ_ said:
Remember in the north where even the summers tend to be cool there won't be much problem with cold blooded animals,  reptiles and the like.  Certain insects like scorpions & fire ants won't likely be around either...


 Not sure how far north you mean, but theres no shortage of rattlesnakes in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana and southern Canada in open areas not in high elevations in the mountains. Plenty of scorpions also, though they arent really much of an issue.

 Dogs are trained by specialist trainers to smell snakes, its an aversion training thats available. Snakes definitely have a scent.
 
I have seen only two scorpions, the first was hanging out down in a septic pump basin, looked fat and happy.

The second was when I was walking along a burro trail and a startled small scorpion ran past me near my feet to be somewhere else where I wasn't. Mutual feelings.

No snakes, ever. Not counting long ago in my youth, the common garden snakes, or the larger water snakes seen swimming in a canal/river in Montgomery, AL.

More recently, two black widows that lived briefly under my travel trailer, at separate ends, are my only encounter ever with those dangerous arachnids. They didn't bother me and I let them be. High winds sent them elsewhere.

An interesting critter here in Amargosa Valley is a small gray lizard that has evolved a tail that in its presentation resembles a scorpion's stinger. The tail has non camouflage black and white striping and a pom at the top to draw attention to it. "I'm dangerous, beware of me!"

I don't put my hands anywhere that I can't see into, and I always watch where I am about to step.
 
About the 80-90° temp range. Remember this is the ground temp NOT the air temp. Most of the time the ground temp is considerably higher than the air temp.

Just wanted to put that out there.

Highdesertranger
 

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