Domestic travel potentially curtailed/forbidden?

[Qxxx]

Maybe check the date on that article. It's probably many months old.  And... no. Statistics on this topic are not an agree-to-disagree thing.

Yeah. +1

 

[travelnc2]

https://www.truckcampermagazine.com/news/urgent-petition-to-keep-rv-campgrounds-open/

Please sign this petition. To keep rv parks open

 

[trailer-t]

I saw that Illinois closed all state park camping and the US COE in St Louis closed all their campgrounds (very few sites were open presently anyway).
Maybe concerns about the shower houses--or maybe safety of camp hosts- or just a panic? t

 

[abnorm]

And Pennsylvania just closed their highway REST STOPS...…………………………...

 

[Qxxx]

I saw that Illinois closed all state park camping and the US COE in St Louis closed all their campgrounds (very few sites were open presently anyway).
Maybe concerns about the shower houses--or maybe safety of camp hosts- or just a panic?  t

or toilet cleanliness, ie lack thereof.

 

[trailer-t]

Interestingly though, the day use areas with open pit outhouses remain open for business (at least on COE props)

 

[MrNoodly]

Effective tonight, the Southeast Utah Health Department essentially shut down all Moab/Arches tourism, including boondocking on public land. Here's a link to their order:

https://moabcity.org/DocumentCenter/View/2783/SEUHD-Restrictions-Order-03172020-FINAL

However, Canyonlands, Capitol Reef, Bears Ears, Grand Staircase-Escalante and other areas outside Grand, Emory and Carbon counties aren't affected. Yet.

 

[billybob200138]

Well all of the Wal Marts I know of are closing at a 11 pm and opening at 6:30am. McDonald here in Mississippi are using only the drive thru. The gaming tables are only allowing three people at a time to bet. ? Getting crazy folks. HoboJoe

 

[crofter]

Effective tonight, the Southeast Utah Health Department essentially shut down all Moab/Arches tourism, including boondocking on public land. Here's a link to their order:

https://moabcity.org/DocumentCenter/View/2783/SEUHD-Restrictions-Order-03172020-FINAL

However, Canyonlands, Capitol Reef, Bears Ears, Grand Staircase-Escalante and other areas outside Grand, Emory and Carbon counties aren't affected. Yet.

This order is essentially an eviction, which is prohibited according to the powers that be.  Sounds like you can still camp on public land with sites 200 feet apart and no gatherings.  -crofter

 

[Qxxx]

I believe that Moab and Arches are about the most popular places in s.e. Utah.

After watching the news and listening to NPR for a couple of days, it sounds to me like a "2-week timeout" from social gatherings and contact is a good way to go. And then see if it's helped stopped progression of the epidemic. That seems to be the lesson from China. Of course, it remains to be seen if things will get better, the restrictions will be lifted, and there won't be a recurrence after the 2-week period. At least it's a plan.

The good thing about boondocking is that you don't necessarily need to camp right next to anyone else. It worked well for me over 2 1/2 months in AZ and SoCal. Only at Telephone Cove was I camped within 100 yards of anyone else. You do need to know how to entertain yerself, however.

 

[MrNoodly]

Sounds like you can still camp on public land with sites 200 feet apart and no gatherings.

Only Essential Visitors and Primary Residents may utilize public lands for primitive camping purposes. 

Essential visitors are defined as: [size=small]An Essential Visitor is any individual renting lodging or camping for an amount of time less than 30 days for the purposes of work within Carbon, Emery, and Grand Counties, or for an employer within the boundaries of Carbon, Emery, and Grand Counties, and their spouse and dependents.[/size]

 

[Qxxx]

Only Essential Visitors and Primary Residents may utilize public lands for primitive camping purposes. 

Well, there's still Arizona, and lots of other places that aren't so heavily touristed.

 

[maki2]

I checked out some stats (given to us by the government and media) and found this to be interesting.
China had 37,000+ plus confirmed cases of coronavirus and about 800 deaths, much more than anyone else.  But per capita this works out to less than 1 in 100,000. The auto death rate per capita in China is 18 per 100,000, and in the US 14 per 100,000.

Why are we not declaring a state of emergency on driving cars or restricting driving to absolutely essential only???

Am I missing something here?  Yes, this cornavirus thing needs to be addressed, but why is the government (as well as the media and public opinion) making this a huge priority and auto deaths are just a normal part of life?  I just don't get it...

This is a question of math which is rather like a word problem that confuses a lot of people. You are looking at the statistic based on the total population and assuming that the death rate can be judged that way. It can't be done that way, the majority of the population was never directly exposed to it. You can only base how fatal it is on the number of confirmed cases divided by the number of deaths from those confirmed cases.  In situations such as this the death rate per capita for the whole of China is not truly meaningful. Most especially since the actions that can be taken to keep it from spreading are to take immediate action to confine it by keeping people basically on self confinement and if they are not willing to do so then insuring that happens with police type of action. The majority of people in China never got exposed to this disease because confinement measures are being used. Remember this disease apparently first started in December of 2019, just 3 and a half months ago.

 

[MrNoodly]

Well, there's still Arizona, and lots of other places that aren't so heavily touristed.

There are still places in Utah, too. At the moment.

 

[trailer-t]

Why/how is it so easily passed? Something is triggering these types of reactions by the States and Feds. i.e. closing public parks.
I am not critisizing the public safety restrictions, but I think there is more that will come out about how this bug spreads in the future..

 

[maki2]

People breath in and out and they do things like sneeze and cough. The virus is in the microscopic droplets that stay suspended in the air and then because of you too need to breath you inhale them. They are also in you bodily fluids such as tears, saliva an nasal mucous and people do touch their face, mouth, eyes and then touch surfaces afterwards. Children are very prone to doing this but so are adults.

It is also allergy season so lots of watery eyes are getting touched and noses too and if you touch a surface with the virus with your hands then you could acquire it by touching your eyes when they are watering. Take care, follow the guidelines to reduce exposure to this and all those other winter virus that are still around such as the common cold and stomach flu. You might scare yourself to death thinking you have Covid 19 when it is just a common cold.

 

[crofter]

Why is it so easily passed?   

It is spread by droplets in the air. You need to be near someone who has it, or breathing air from a common air handler system, like on the cruise ships to inhale the droplets. Or you could get one of the droplets on your finger and then lick it or rub your eye, etc.

It is so dangerous because it will cause pneumonia as well as organ failure. People in China were found in the street, still wearing their mask, which did not save them. You may be saved if you are put on a machine that pumps the air through your lungs. There are not enough machines for everyone.

I personally think the dry desert air is healthier, and that any droplets that were around might have a chance of evaporating before the next person inhales them. On the down side, communities of RVers that travel to places like China are more likely to be spreading the droplets around. So far only a few known cases in southern AZ.
-crofter

 

[WalkaboutTed]

Just got finished with a 2 week self quarantine tonight (Hubby was in Japan for a month plus) and now that we're free to gallivant, everything is closed! They closed down the New Mexico State Parks for overnight camping and then they shut them down completely on Monday. Can't even go kayaking.

We're gonna stay in New Mexico for the next couple of months, work on projects as long as the hardware stores stay open. Can't buy anything but food, staples at Amazon for the foreseeable future. Signed up for Netflix.

My 39 year old son got the virus five days ago. It went right to his lungs and the myalgia was horrible. He cycles and runs hundreds of miles a week and now is short of breath just talking on the phone and gets faint if he sits up too long. He said "Mumsy, whatever you do, don't get this. It's really bad". But, since he can't get tested, he doesn't have it, right? He was going to go back to work next week if he was better, but his job is gone as of today.
Ted

 

[crofter]

Only Essential Visitors and Primary Residents may utilize public lands for primitive camping purposes. 

Essential visitors are defined as: [size=small]An Essential Visitor is any individual renting lodging or camping for an amount of time less than 30 days for the purposes of work within Carbon, Emery, and Grand Counties, or for an employer within the boundaries of Carbon, Emery, and Grand Counties, and their spouse and dependents.[/size]

It is interesting that while the state of emergency order is to stay home from work, this local order requires you to go to work. Maybe the local gov did not get the memo.

Too bad you're retired. Maybe you could pick up a part time gig like medical coding or something, or become a painter of BLM land and animals. All you need is a sketchbook and some paint. The flowers are great this year, so a legit need for painters.  -crofter

 

[maki2]

The latest news is strongly suggesting that non essential travel between USA and Canada will be suspended shortly.

The President of the USA also said that there is a discussion between Mexico and the USA on this same subject.

If you have been procrastinating hopping across the border for dental work or picking up prescriptions immediately is the time not too many manana's left, just get it done. Get some TP while you are there to offset the cost of the trip to the dentist