Concerns about coming 5G network

[TexasWoman]

Anyone on here worried about this new technology and the "Internet of Things"?

 

[B and C]

I don't. It's basically a faster 4G network with shorter range.

Mind telling us what your concerns are with it?

And as I've seen "worry is a misuse of imagination" and a waste of time. Change the things you can.

 

[mpruet]

What is to be concerned about it?  5G is basically just another band channel with additional speed and IOT is nothing more than connecting devices with your smartphone.

 

[John61CT]

No more so than all the other facets of the surveillance gov / industrial complex we've been living under for decades.

I think the US SC's basis for any right to privacy has been almost completely eroded.

There just isn't any expectation of any anymore.

 

[mpruet]

I have just a bit of IOT that proved to be quite useful this summer when I was in Alaska for three months.  I put in a new sprinkler system in my S&B home.  The controler is an IOT based system which is connected to my cell phone.  It monitors the weather in my area and when we have a rainstorm, it lets me know and suggests that I postphone watering the lawn for a few days.  So regardless where I’m located I can change the amount that I water, am notified when the lawn is watered, am notified when it is predicted that there will be rain in my home location, and can delay the next watering cycle if it looks like it’s going to rain. 

I was able to adjust the amount of watering that was being done even when I was camping in Tuktoyaktuk on the Arctic Ocean.  

IOT is a liberating technology, not somthing to be afraid of.

 

[TexasWoman]

ok thanks for the input.
still open to hearing from others.

the research is out there.
no need for me to explain on here.
can find it oneself if interested.

if not, then nevermind.

 

[mpruet]

One of the things that I’ve learned is that a lot of the social media ‘news’ is based on trying to create fear.   I generally take most of the stuff that I see on the web with a rather large grain of salt...    :dodgy:

 

[TexasWoman]

thanks.

i don't do social media as in FB, Twitter, Instagram, etc., if that is what you mean.

 

[mpruet]

Nope - just about anything on the web can be suspect.  I’m afraid that it’s not limited to FB, Twitter, etc.   Anyone can create a web site for any reason and can put anything on it without having to authenticate any of it.

 

[TexasWoman]

there is a lot of untruth and there is a lot truth on the internet.

discernment makes the difference.

 

[John61CT]

Interesting DEA program combining license plate readers and facial recognition https://qz.com/1400791/that-road-si...part-of-a-us-government-surveillance-network/

 

[TexasWoman]

Thanks .. I'll be more careful around those signs from now on.

That article is proof that not everything on the internet is garbage...

Here is another proof that truth exists on the internet:

University of Melbourne, Nov 2015 - "The truth about mobile phone and wireless radiation":

 

[travelaround]

I didn't know that's what the digital speed signs are for... I thought they were just a friendly reminder to be at the right speed. I see cameras at almost every intersection these days, anyhow. Nothing new about traffic surveillance and license plate reading.

If we're going to be paranoid about this kind of thing, the only thing to do is quit driving and sell our vehicles. Otherwise, just accept that we live in a surveillance society and there's no way we can change that unless we want to join a class action lawsuit or something like that, and there's not much chance that will reverse the trend. Plus there would have to be a separate lawsuit in every state - a huge undertaking.

So, it is something I don't pay much attention to because I refuse to live in a constant state of paranoia over everything that's wrong with this civilization. That would be a lot to worry about! Instead I just do my best to drive at the speed limit posted, and trust the rest to God. If something is to be done to fix things, it probably won't be done by me, so why worry?

 

[cyndi]

I've removed several posts. Bickering is not productive nor is it allowed.

 

[John61CT]

It is not "paranoid" anymore to realize that both the government and the high-tech corporations are working to maximize their data gathering capabilities,

and that all the various databases are being correlated so that individual data sets create much fuller pictures of us as individuals.

And as honorable and public-serving the original intentions of these efforts may be, the shared accessibility and lack of any human-rights privacy protections

mean such information can easily be used to suppress dissent and block social reform movements by future players in power.

 

[John61CT]

I just do my best to drive at the speed limit posted

I doubt if the three-letter agencies are motivated by driving speed enforcement.

Timestamped location data on the identified driver (not just the vehicle),

even when the battery is removed from their phone,

is very useful input to data analytics algorithms and AIs looking for "suspicious" travel and meetup patterns.

Humans will not be looking at the data, it just gets archived, until an individual becomes a "person of interest" perhaps decades later and they can trace their past activities.

 

[TexasWoman]

JohN61CT ..

i agree completely with everything you have written.

I won't be commenting on here further.  Sent you a pm.

 

[B and C]

I watched a movie called "Anon" on Netflix. Set in the future where everything you see is recorded for future playback. The thing I got out of it is the more you try to hide the more attention it brings. YMMV

 

[John61CT]

Yes, pretty sure my posts on this topic already have me flagged as a Person of Interest.

The problem I see, as more of the world turns fascistic, the ability of citizens to communicate and organize an opposition,

will be eroded to the point that, no matter how many guns they stockpile, they just won't have the ability to effectively Resist.

 

[John61CT]

Great long-read piece on evolving attitudes toward omnipresent surveillance

https://reallifemag.com/personal-panopticons/