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I deleted a lot of the posts that involved arguing about who had the correct opinion. Everyone on the forum is allowed to post their opinion. One way of living whether it be full time in a van, part-time in a sticks and bricks, staying stationary to build up savings, or traveling and working at the same time is not right for everyone. You make the correct decisions for yourself and other people make the correct decisions for themselves. Arguing about it will not be permitted.

For everyone who can not or has not watched the video, the transcripted is posted below. Please read it before posting.

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Here I am watching this weird guy in the
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desert look at this guy just a weird guy
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in the desert and I'm trying to take
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advice from him
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hi my life must be some kind of problem
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[Music]
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hi everyone welcome back to my next
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video we're gonna continue on our
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conversation about a voyage of
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self-discovery Who am I why do I do the
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things that I do and what do I really
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want out of life do I know who I am do I
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really know what I want out of life am i
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acting in my boat my own best
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self-interest and if I am why am I not
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happy with my life what's gone wrong
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Here I am watching this weird guy in the
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desert look at this guy just a weird guy
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in the desert and I'm trying to take
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advice from him why my life must be some
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kind of problem and so I want us to
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think more and more deeply about
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ourselves and how we fit in with society
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especially at this time I'm shooting
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this in late April of 2020 when there is
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so much going on with the you know with
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the worldwide shut down and the
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quarantine we're all kind of social
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isolating and we're alone and we're
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afraid and now is a dark night of the
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soul time to think about Who am I where
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am I going
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is this the life I want to live and if
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it isn't the life that I want to live
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how can I find that life and of course
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the fact that you're here watching this
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video in other videos like it on YouTube
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says to me I hope you can hear it in and
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that there is a search in your heart for
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something better for something more
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there there must be more to life than
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this I need to find it I want to find it
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so we're going to talk about that today
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now just a very brief recap in 1995 my
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life hit rock bottom I I started going
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to a meetings of all bizarre things
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never been drunk not once in my life
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never using the illegal drug but in the
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12 steps of a a I found an answer to my
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compulsive addictive personality and so
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I started working the 12 steps and we're
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not going to spend much time on those
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but as I'm going through all this and
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and it was at this time at the exact
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same time that I was forced to live in a
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van for the very first time so here I am
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I'm going through a divorce I'm I'm
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completely rock-bottom miserable and
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unhappy my life I don't see how it can
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get any worse
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and yet it did of course you say as soon
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as you say my life can't be any worse
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than it usually does get a little worse
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and my life was just really bad and I
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was just really unhappy with my life
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so I kept asking myself how did this
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happen how did I completely miss the
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mark and then the bizarre thing was the
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longer I went through this as difficult
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it was and painful was very difficult
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and very painful I started to love
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living in a van all of a sudden life
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made sense to me I was free
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that little four-letter word I was free
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uh after the first of every month I
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didn't pay a house bill I didn't pay a
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rent I didn't pay a house payment I had
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all that money of my own I kept it and I
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felt more free and alive than I had ever
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been before
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I slept where I wanted to sleep and so I
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kept going to my job I kept going to my
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job for the next that was in 95 I
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retired in 2006 for the next 11 years I
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just went to my job in this data going
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home to an apartment and I went out and
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climbed in the van and went to sleep for
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the first time in my life was happy I
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was actually happy and I was doing
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exactly the opposite of what society
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told me in fact Society told me I was a
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homeless bum I was a complete failure
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and loser and yet here I was finally for
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the first time in my life happy it just
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made no sense and it was true though and
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the more I worked my way through the 12
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steps and the longer I lived in my fan
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the happier I got fine life finally was
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good and there were happy moments there
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were moments of happiness and peace so
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today's theme is why following society's
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dictates maybe the very worst thing you
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can do and we'll make you the most
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miserable you can be so this is a quote
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from a man named all--just Huxley and in
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the 1930s he wrote a dystopian novel
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called a brave new world and the idea of
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the brave new world was it that there
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would be a to talent dictatorship but
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that society would offer people
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happiness in the way of drugs and
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pleasure and peace and calm and yet all
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they had to do was give up their own
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personal identities basically so they
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and it was it was a drug culture and
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they were used draw
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and made people just people were just
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happy all the time and people at that
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time just gladly went along with it and
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said yeah I'll gladly give up some
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individuality for being happy all the
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time so and so this is a quote right out
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of his his follow-up brave new world
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revisited biologically speaking man is a
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moderately gregarious not a completely
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social animal a creature more like a
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wolf let us say or an elephant than like
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a bee or an ant and I think that's
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really important let me say there that
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you and I are very wolf like or elephant
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like we live in packs we live in herds
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we live in groups we are social animals
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and yet at the same time we're in this
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pack and this herd we are very
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individualistic at the same time so
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their packs work out a system herds work
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out a system whereby they maintain their
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individuality but they also fit in the
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pack and so that's what we're like we're
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kind of pack animals we have these big
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brains that we need to work together
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with each other but we can't be too
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independent we have to be independent
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but we can't be too independent we find
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this nice Natural Balance a creature
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more like a wolf let us say or an
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elephant than like a bee or an ant in
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their original form human societies bore
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no resemblance to the hive or the ant
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heap they were merely packs and
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basically that's true humans have been
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around pre humans have been around for
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about two million years and in the
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various forms and evolution as we became
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more and more human and full of humans
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Homo Sapien you and I the same brain
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powers just exactly like us we've been
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around for maybe a quarter of a million
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years 250,000 years and all that time we
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lived in packs between twenty ten twenty
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and a hundred people so we lived in
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these packs and we lived really well uh
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all the Anthropology says that ancients
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those ancient peoples hunter-gatherers
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were the original affluent society that
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is a phrase actually used about them the
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original affluent society at any rate
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that's how we used to live and that is
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not how you and I live today
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so basically what he's saying is we are
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by nature wolves living in packs and
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that's you know if you look back
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hunter-gatherer tribes that's not not a
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bad analogy but today's society where
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you and I are live in the United States
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of America in 2020 we are ants we live
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like ants our society is organized like
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ants in fact if you've ever seen an
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anthill and and a line leaving out of
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the anthill to go to some food they've
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discovered and you probably had them in
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your house a long line of streaming out
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and stringing back and they leave they
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divide them in two lanes alene going out
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and lean dividing the back and you'll
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see the mance just scattering out
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everywhere working working working
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working answer hard workers that's you
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and I that's the traffic look at look at
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a picture of the of interstates on the
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morning drive into town a line of
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traffic going off to work what's happens
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in the evening a line of ants driving
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home from work we went off and we went
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off during the day and we worked we work
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we worked and then we would draw home
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and then we just pretended we had a life
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and we enjoyed our lives
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that's ants we're ants were bees we're
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drones in a hive not living our own
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individual lives just living for society
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and how did that happen
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well you and I from the moment were born
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until the moment we die we are subject
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to constant propaganda to make us good
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productive citizens every moment of your
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life your parents got indoctrinated and
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in this propaganda that they had to be
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good productive citizens and they had to
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follow and want the American Dream that
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they had to sacrifice today to live for
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their golden years this is what your
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parents were taught this is what your
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parents before them were taught and what
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their parents before them were taught
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from from way back then from our
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grandparents to our parents to you and I
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and path and even further back when we
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are born we are taught to be good
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productive citizens to follow the
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American dream to sacrifice the present
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for our golden years
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to buy lots of stuff to buy a bigger
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house to get a lot more stuff and fill
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the house and and fill that house so
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full that we get a storage unit and then
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to buy a bigger house and to fill that
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house with more stuff and just sacrifice
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the present the golden years are gonna
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be so golden and so wonderful there's a
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there's a pot of gold is waiting for you
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at the end of this rainbow just wait for
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it and then it'll be just amazing keep
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yeah today isn't so great I know you're
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just working all the time and you keep
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saying to yourself is this all there is
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to life but the golden years will be so
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good the American Dream is so wonderful
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just be a good productive citizen follow
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the American Dream and the golden years
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will come true for you good just go for
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it go for it that's what the propaganda
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that you and I were taught from the
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moment we were born then we hit school
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oh my goodness when we hit which we
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turned four or five six and we were
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shoved into a school and the teacher
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started passing judgment on us we were
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constantly judged as how smart we were
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and how well-behaved we were and how
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polite we were and and if there was any
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nonconformity bad things happen didn't
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they you got a bad grade you had to take
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a note home tomorrow mom I got a bad
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grade I acted up in class the teachers
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said she wanted me to take a nap and I
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said I don't want to take a nap and so
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she the teacher was mad at me and she
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sent me outside and I had to sleep over
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here alone I had to go see the principal
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and I got detention and as you go
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through life through your life in school
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and then college and in your first years
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and your first jobs conformity to the
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rules was non-stop be a good productive
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citizen pass all the tests couldn't form
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follow the American dream you were heard
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that every moment every day of your life
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fortunately he got summers off for a
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little while holding a lot of times you
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went to camp what did you do there more
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conformity a lot less strict a lot less
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rules a little more of a lot more fun
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but still rules still conformity back to
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school okay more rules because now
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you're older and you can follow rules
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better more rules more conformity this
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isn't a good grade you didn't work hard
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enough for this grade let me send a note
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home to your parents and they'll see it
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we'll see if we can't give you more
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homework
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and get you to doing more and more and
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and have you doing really productive and
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really good so you're doing you're gonna
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be a good productive citizen cuz that's
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all we want from you as being a good
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productive citizen and we want you to be
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a good aunt in the hive I mean you want
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to go out there and make a lot of money
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out there don't you and then bring it a
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lot back and have it there in the house
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and and then get a bigger house and more
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stuff you want to buy more stuff don't
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you isn't that your gold always buy more
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stuff that's what you want in life you
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really do want that in life buy more
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stuff have a bigger house have more kids
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have more people admire you and think
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how great you are
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follow the American dream be a good
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productive citizen get more stuff that
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you and I heard every moment of our
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lives and that's what we are we're ants
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you're a wolf that has been forced and
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conformed and molded to be an ant and lo
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and behold you're miserable
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and you're not happy with your life and
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you constantly think to yourself there's
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got to be more to life than this so you
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go and watch YouTube and you will see
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weird guys out in the desert who dress
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funny and talk funny and say these wild
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weird things and I'd like to be him I'd
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like to live like that no that's not
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right I've got to be a good productive
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citizen I'll work a lot more I'll work a
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lot harder and look for more and and
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I'll make a lot more I'll make a lot
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more people rich while I work away and
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slave away them and out to the ant farm
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and back and out and back just non-stop
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on that commute to make someone really
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really rich and and I'll get that golden
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dream ah the golden pot will be waiting
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for me at the other rainbow ought to be
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so great but now you're finding out that
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was a lie and there is no golden pot at
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the end of the rainbow there is no
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pension and I found that out and a lot
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of us are finding that out and the
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American dream is just a great big
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enormous lie and none of it's true what
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if we said normal and normal and healthy
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is if you are your optimum person you
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have become all that you can be you have
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become self-realized as Abraham Maslow
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would have said you are a fully
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self-realized human being that's healthy
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but
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do the two fit together can you be both
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and the simple answer is no it's
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impossible in this society because you
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are born to be a wolf in a pack and this
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society says you're going to be an ant
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or a bee in a hive and those two are not
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the same and being one means a being a
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failure at the other and that's why I
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was miserable and that's why I started
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to become healthy and happy and
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fulfilled when I started to live like a
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wolf in a pack in a van and that's why
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I'm teaching you everything I'm teaching
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you the voyage of self-discovery leads
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to a wolf living in a pack it doesn't
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lead to an ant in an anthill it won't
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lead that way it'll lead you completely
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the opposite way of what you've been
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told to live there was some part of me
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in 1995 when I hit my own bottom said I
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just haven't been willing to give up
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myself to give up Who I am and what I am
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supposed to become and so when I moved
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into a van and started going to the
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12-step meetings I was finally for the
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very first time in my life equipped to
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live fully out myself to fully discover
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who I really was how I should really
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live and be who I really am and until
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that moment except as a very young man
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there were times as a young man I I knew
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what I who I was and what I wanted to be
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and I stuffed them all and my friends
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that's happened to you too as a young
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person you knew who you were and what
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you wanted to be sometimes we lose that
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very early at 5:00 or 6:00 when we go to
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call at school it's really beaten
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hammered out of us there was a day when
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it was literally beaten out of you and
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it's still beaten out of you in a
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figurative sense with notes to home and
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meetings with the teacher and every
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parent-teacher conference is an effort
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to continue to beat out the wolf out of
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you and conform you to be in an ANA and
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it's gone on the whole time and some of
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you are really totally miserable be
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because of it and you're here that's why
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you're listening to this video and all
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the other bizarre videos that I make
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there's some of you that is sick of
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being an aunt and as going to be a wolf
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my friends give in to the wolf give in
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to the wolf now maybe you can't do it
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today maybe you can't do it tomorrow
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maybe you can't do it this year or next
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year or five years from now embrace the
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wolf in you today you can do that and I
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hope that you're ready I hope that
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you're you're willing to hear the cry of
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your own heart I want to be a wolf I
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don't want to be an ant be the wolf my
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friends but it's not going to happen
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immediately for a lot of you maybe you
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can maybe you're in a position today
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where you can just leave everything and
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become the wolf I had to keep working
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for eleven years and I had to support my
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kids and pay the alimony and build up my
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retirement and then when I had pay it
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build up my retirement when my last son
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turned 18 and moved out of the house I
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could go live like a wolf and I did
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immediately I wait I did I went out and
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lived like a wolf to the very greatest
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degree I could so I'm not saying you're
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gonna have to drop everything and go
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live like a wolf today you may not be
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able to if the American dream is coming
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true for you maybe you can be part time
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wolf and a part time ant as long as you
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follow your own dreams and become your
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own self your own human being being what
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you were made to be okay I'm gonna stop
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there I hope you got something out of
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this I hope you are inspired to be the
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wolf and you will not be the ant to the
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greatest degree possible today you will
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be a wolf and not an ant and only you
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know how much that can happen so folks
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hoping we've got something out of this
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video if you did like us on YouTube
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subscribe to the channel hit that thumbs
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up button give a good howl tonight oh
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and I'll see you on the next video
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down the road
 
slow2day said:
If it was made a requirement that you actually be on the road to post on the forum, about 80% of the regular posters wouldn't qualify. DB is just pointing out that mobile life isn't the best option for some. Bob pushes it because it's his product.
Also of the 598 responses to the video, many were in the planning stage of van life, and had a realistic idea of saving up and equipping their RV during their planning stage or were in the process of doing that, plus saving up travellin money. Bob discusses doing this around 16:15 to 17:00 of the transcript.

What was missing from the transcript  was the discussion later in the live feed of "Attributes that work best for the Great Nomadic Life"  There was discussion beyond the 'wolf or ant' comparison. One of the attributes was resilience or flexibility, and more are listed on the facebook feed. Not sure if it made the list of attributes, but being frugal and not wasting resources is important. Being frugal is where you ration everything from food to money to time, and maintain an emergency fund so you can keep going.
-crofter
 
@rvwandering
Where are the comments that are typed in during a live feed? Do they get deleted after the feed? I can not find them for the live feed from Memorial Day 2020, and wanted to look back at the discussion portion. Thanks!
-crofter
 
The live feed made was a couple of days after the video linked in post #1, and the audience responses appear to the upper right. (crofter, yer definitely a wolf, judging from yer "Safety" thread. My objective observation).
 
When I start the video the chat comments appear and follow along with the timeframe of the video but if the video is not playing the entirety of the comments can not be seen. This does not work for all of the live feed videos but I can get all of the comments on the Memorial Day live feed.
 
How I yearn for the years when I was 19, 20, 21 and I knew it all. Everything. And was happy to share my wisdom. Now turning 58 in a week I know nothing. I just wander around confused all the time. What happened? All joking aside I was very upset by the guy who kept say some of us ended up in our lives because of bad choices. I did everything right. I will swear on anything that I did it all by the book and worked my butt off but serious health issues destroyed me. You can be perfect but control is an illusion. And the US has no safety net.
Modern Americans and Europeans/Canadians etc seem to think nothing ever goes wrong and if it does it’s your fault and you can pull yourself out of it. I think younger people are seeing a different society and culture and are more realistic.

Anyway I’m on the waiting list for the Home for the Terminally Bewildered and I hope they will take good care of me there. ?
 
Well said LERCA!

Many folks are living a nomadic van life for reasons other than past poor choices.

Those who do not comply with the status quo are ALWAYS ridiculed and shunned. Try being a male and dye your hair purple or wear a nose ring in rural Idaho.. (not me). 

Flashback to that mindset that said "she deserved it because of her choice to wear certain clothing or didn't have dinner prepared on time."

"I think younger people are seeing a different society and culture"

     <<<<< The Times They Are A Changin'
 
Where never is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day.
 
LERCA said:
....did it all by the book and worked my butt off but serious health issues destroyed me....
A health crisis or series of them is a common cause of homelessness, especially if you become disabled and can't work. You can expect to lose everything in that situation and there is very little help out there for disabled people. If you do not look disabled it is worse.
-crofter
 
LERCA said:
You can be perfect but control is an illusion. And the US has no safety net.

There is Social Security.  If you have health problems and can't work, SSDI is available. It's not always easy to get but it is available for those who qualify. If you're under 65, after two years you qualify for Medicare which is another huge part of the safety net.  Medicaid for very low income also.

For housing there are all kinds of gov't low income projects available for people over 55 and for the disabled of any age. Getting into one depends on where you are willing to live. In the big cities you'll wait for years but if you go to smaller cities your chances are a lot better.

To say there is no safety net in the US is simply not true.  It's far from perfect and won't allow you to live in luxury but it is there.
 
Qxxx said:
The live feed made was a couple of days after the video linked in post #1, and the audience responses appear to the upper right. (crofter, yer definitely a wolf, judging from yer "Safety" thread. My objective observation).

Thanks for reposting the link, Qxxx. I read thru the comments after Bob starts the discussion of desirable attributes of a dweller at about 0:52. For those who missed it, below I list some of the responses quoted or paraphrased from the comments, none are mine.
-crofter

Humor
Humility
Situational Awareness
Laughing at yourself
Love yourself
Patience
Not judge others
Self compassion
Don't dye your hair, it shows your wisdom
Ability to stand on your own two feet
Humble enough to accept help
Embrace stoicism
Get rid of debt
Sobriety
Level headed
Hope
Learn the difference between needs and wants
Enjoy people
Frickin Hot (as a personal attribute)
Can do attitude
When you get to do what you want to do, you have won.

Also someone recomends reading more of Emerson, Thoreau, and John Muir. -crofter
 
slow2day said:
There is Social Security.  If you have health problems and can't work, SSDI is available. It's not always easy to get but it is available for those who qualify. If you're under 65, after two years you qualify for Medicare which is another huge part of the safety net.  Medicaid for very low income also.

For housing there are all kinds of gov't low income projects available for people over 55 and for the disabled of any age. Getting into one depends on where you are willing to live. In the big cities you'll wait for years but if you go to smaller cities your chances are a lot better.

To say there is no safety net in the US is simply not true.  It's far from perfect and won't allow you to live in luxury but it is there.
i could give you my experience with every single thing you mentioned and I have experienced every one of them and no not one works where I live. Won’t bother arguing but as an example Section Eight closed 25 years ago and not once single doctor or the two local hospitals accept Medi-Cal in my area. And no most people don’t get disability. I know. I met disabled people three times a week for 6.5 years in physical therapy. And I was one of the lucky ones who got it LOL (after 3 denials and only for 3 years) and will be paying it back for the rest of my life because I had saved for retirement (American Funds for 30 years pinching pennies shopping g at Goodwill not eating out etc) and was told I had to spend it. You are not allowed to have more than $2000 even if it’s retirement money. American Funds has a 50% penalty for early cash outs (not 30% as some people have told me who don’t know but 50%) I could go on and on but no there is NOTHING here governmental. Why do I stay? Because I grew up here and am plugged into an informal safety net of friends who have done a million things I can’t list here from driven me to the hospital, given me gift cards ($400 at Thanksgiving from one friend, $100 at my birthday from another etc) and most importantly emotional support. I also have a disabled from birth brother who can’t leave because he lives in a good place ( got Section 8 35 years ago) and he needs me to advocate for him. So don’t tell me about safety nets or lack thereof when you haven’t walked in my shoes. So tired of people like you who know nothing telling me what I’ve actually experienced. Maybe you should listen so we can fix the system. And my brother doesn’t have it very good. I buy a lot of things for him on my limited income: food, toiletries, clothes etc.
 
Whatever you feel about Bob I thank God for him because he taught people like me we could live in our cars. I lived a tiny frugal life and spent my career teaching in South Central with a little salary but I thought I had to be on the street when the accident, cancer and spinal issues ended my ability to work. Bob and his videos and blogs taught me how to live in my car and that’s with no technical or other skills. He has his reasons and his philosophy but he literally saved my life.
 
Sounds as though you have a pretty good set of friends that stick by you LERCA.

It is rare these days..soo many people can't be bothered to go out of their way for someone else. Well,,,, I mean go out of their way to help.. far too many people will go out of their to cause harm and torment though.

How fortunate your brother is to have you as an advocate. I bet you are keeping things in line on that front. Ain't nobody messing with brother!

Thanks for sharing.
 
I also thank Bob for the message he promotes. Showing people a way forward and to rise to the challenge is inspiring. I love his videos because that is what they show. How inspirational is it to see folks have fear removed and move forward in confidence. There is no gloss in Bobs world of nomadic living.. it is hyper realist. Many conversations of how to poo in a bucket.
Helpful, humble, and grateful.
 
LERCA said:
So don’t tell me about safety nets or lack thereof when you haven’t walked in my shoes. So tired of people like you who know nothing telling me what I’ve actually experienced.

Well,likewise you know nothing about me. I'm retired now but my last 3 years of employment were with a non-profit that provides services to the disabled. I drove a wheelchair van taking people with all kinds of disabilities to doctors, therapy,shopping,etc. and I did it while dealing with my own disabilities. I have/have had quite a few health problems of my own and I was fortunate to be able to work for an organization that followed the ADA regulations and made accomodations that enabled me to work. "Slow2day" refers to getting around on bad knees and dealing with sciatica.

I also did lots of volunteer work at that non-profit fixing up donated computers that we gave to clients.

Every person is different and I'm sorry that you have to deal with your situation at your location and not being able to move elsewhere. I've met lots of people in similar situations, so I do understand. It's been many years now but I too was in that type of situation.

My comment was a general one and I would hope that someone reading it might consider what is available in less populated areas.There is a huge variance in what is available and for some people it would be worth a try.
 
iamk said:
I had to do the things Bob admonished before van life in order to save for my current life on the road.

I was hoping for a discussion of what my peers did from their experiences.

I was a Bob ant, and mostly loved it. Now I am a Bob wolf, and mostly love it more.

There is a thread from outdoorcamogirl asking how, and when, to make the pivot. That thread is women-only guys, which is why I was hoping for a discussion here.
 
iamk said:
I was hoping for a discussion of what my peers did from their experiences.

I had five jobs over many, many years after graduate school before saving enough to build a van and hit the road. I was fired from three of those jobs because of my attitude toward my boss. I couldn't help myself.

Being fired was scary. It both sucked and was awesome. I learned that I had an attitude (who knew), that I should have been fired, and that I functioned best either alone or with other like-minded people. I would not have known this about myself without these experiences.

I learned to keep my mouth shut and be a good-enough team member until I had enough savings to retire comfortably.
 
iamk said:
I was hoping for a discussion of what my peers did from their experiences.

I was a Bob ant, and mostly loved it. Now I am a Bob wolf, and mostly love it more.
I watched the video, and I'm not even sure how many of those who posted to this thread even did so, given that so many comments had little to do with the actual video. 

His core message was that you have a choice, that you don't have to stick with the mold society has cast you into. It was not about living in a van and pooping in a bucket, it was about having a choice of how to live. That message might not work for people who are at the end of their options and mainly looking for a way to just survive, but Bob has many other videos to help those poor souls. This video was not about that. I underlined some of his last few words.

17:03
so I'm not saying you're
gonna have to drop everything and go
live like a wolf today you may not be
able to if the American dream is coming
true for you maybe you can be part time
wolf and a part time ant as long as you
follow your own dreams
and become your
own self your own human being being what
you were made to be
17:24
 
iamk said:
I had five jobs over many, many years after graduate school before saving enough to build a van and hit the road. I was fired from three of those jobs because of my attitude toward my boss. I couldn't help myself.
I actually had more different professionals than I had jobs. Strangely enough, I was never much scared the entire time. I just figured I would not rely on anyone else, and would make things work out as I went along.
 
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