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CamperFan78

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Hi All.
Glad to be on the forum. I have been dipping my feet in and out of the camper world but never committed, but think I am finally ready to pull the plug! It is like buying a car to me, except 5 times more anxiety raising! I really like the old vintage campers, especially the econolines (I dont want a VW and to become a part of that tribe!). I just found this 1965 which looks really really cool http://mycoolcamper.com/vans/rare-california-1965-ford-e-series-camper/ ...but is there too much work? Is looks really cool, and I am a pretty good wood worker. Anyone have any advice on these old Econolines? What is there to watch out for? Any advice massively appreciated.
 
Yep. Worried about posting it on here, know it will get snapped up, but wanting to ask what I should be looking out for etc?
 
I love them too. Makes my head swivel every time I see one either on the road or parked.

I owned both a 61 and a 63 and have many a fond memory of tootling around in them. Also some really funny stories about dealing with their idiocyncrasies.... :D

The engine between the seats is easy to work on because most of the work can be done from the sitting position in the drivers' seat.

OTOH the engine heat is unforgettable. As is the lack of power.

The engine compartment is small as are the original engines. Some people, not dedicated to preserving the original, have tried cramming V8s in there but they must have redesigned the engine compartment because there is no way that one would fit. And of course the torque of a V8 would also mean replacing the entire drive train.

They are wonderful as a classic vehicle today but not my first choice for something to vandwell in. The interior living space is smaller than even the 2nd generation Econolines and with the engine between the seats residual heat will always be a problem for hours after parking it.

Nice to look at, heartbreaking to think what mine would be worth today but not really practical as a means of getting in to van dwelling.
 
Good advice. Though I am always one unfortunately to go with my heart over my head!
 
It's beautiful. I, too, love the old vans. However, you had better be a tinkerer, have the moneny and means to find parts, and be prepared to spend less time exploring and more time working on the van.

I'd go look at it though, maybe just to test my resistance.

If you're on FB theres a van-list I follow, with some real nice vans. Some are road ready and worthy. some are projects
https://www.facebook.com/groups/254679634614863/
 
Oh! And welcome to the CRVL forums! To help you learn the ins and outs of these forums, this "Tips & Tricks" post lists some helpful information to get you started. We look forward to hearing more from you.
 
cyndi said:
Oh!  And welcome to the CRVL forums!  To help you learn the ins and outs of these forums, this "Tips & Tricks" post lists some helpful information to get you started.   We look forward to hearing more from you.

Thanks Cyndi. Yep those old ones do suck you in. If only they made them like that still! Thanks for the tips.
 
I love the Econolines. There was an Econline factory in my hometown (shut down in 2014).
I'm partial to the ones from the 80's (I was born in 77 so the 80's models were what I grew up with).
But...that one you're looking at is lovely too. A lot less rust than I would've expected given the age.

Best of luck to you if you decide to bid on it :)
 
Thanks. Yep the rust doesn't look too bad considering. Still thinking about whether to bid, I know its not practical.
 
Welcome to the forum!
I love the cars, trucks and vans from the 60's and owned many of them too. I didn't have a econoline from that era, I had a 60 f100 panel truck. Neat old vehicles but there is always something that needs to be done to them, if it's not getting it up to snuff, it's tuning it up on a regular basis. Even back in the 80's and 90's I was having to rebuild things rather buying them because it wasn't a option.

The other thing is even fixed up they don't ride, drive and run like newer cars. Under powered, wavy front ends, drum brakes, slow heat, vacuum wipers and more eventually got to me. My last one, a 65 Falcon became a once in a while car after I bought a new van.
 
Welcome to the CRVL Forum :)

I've been around them and worked on them a good chunk of my life.   Starting with an old 61 cargo my Dad had. 

Early ones had 144 ci engines and optional 170 ci's with 3 spd standards or automatics.  Most had 400:1 rear axle ratios but some had 350:1's.   By 65 you could get a 240 ci which was an all together different motor and a good one.  Much more torque and a "cross member" was placed under the engine that the earlier models didn't have. 

All of the ones I've been around had electric wipers.   Heat in the earlier ones was in a box at the front of the floor just ahead of the engine box.  On the heat control knob there was an allen screw that had to be removed BEFORE attempting to remove the lid with the fan motor which was bolted directly to that lid.  Otherwise you could damage the heat control valve that throttled the flow of hot coolant through the heater core.   I've fixed those that were damaged for people by securing these "wide open" and then going inside the engine box and placing a brass valve in the supply hose so the knob extended out into the passengers compartment where it could be manually adjusted.  (less convenient to reach but a welcome fix just the same as opposed to driving with the heat on and the windows down) 

Another major issue was owning one of these with the gas tank breather plugged up.  These were located at the left rear in a small box under the left tail light.  Unfortunately they would get plugged and you couldn't get
gas to flow into the tank at the pump for more than a few seconds before the pump handle would kick off.   It could take as much as 20 minutes to fill the tank on one that was plugged like that.   This required a tank removal. (if you didn't have a receiver hitch installed)   Then pull the vent hose and "goose neck"  which was always getting plugged with spider webs or fine sand and dirt.

I'd dare say I knew every nut and bolt in the things by first name.

IF.....you decide to buy one of these vintage boxes......and intend to drive it home instead of bring it home on a wrecker.......examine the brake lines closely.  The front "metal" brake line is routed around the front parameter of the engine box (or shroud)  and over the years moisture and condensate drips down on it and there can be extensive rust where one good hard braking event could blow that line.....and those models are single circuit master cylinders.  Your emergency brake is at the right side of your drivers seat and is pulled straight up.  So you want to keep the emergency brake adjusted well.   At the bottom of the emergency brake rod there is a thin metal wheel you need to keep lubed and inspect to see that your emergency brake
rod doesn't hit and dent the pulley wheel.  Sometimes the rod "stop" breaks off and the rod will hit that wheel
enough that the emergency brake cable will slip over the side and render it useless. (and it's your only hope
if you have a hydraulic failure)

I could write articles on this series of Van as Econolines are all my Dad and I have ever had. 

Feel free to PM me if you have other questions cause I've just scratched the surface for you.  I can see you buying a nice clean looking one and wanting to drive it home with these ticking bombs onboard with you.

But the most dangerous feature is that in front of you and your passenger and any hazard on the road is the
windshield glass an panel of .040 sheet metal, some insulation and card board.  These didn't come with seat belts in the day and if you've ever seen one these that hit a tree or a flat bed truck in front of it you'll understand.

My first hand me down looked about like this one except it was red and it is where I based my first website below.

1961-ford-econoline.jpg
 
eDJ_ said:
 

 

Another major issue was owning one of these with the gas tank breather plugged up.  These were located at the left rear in a small box under the left tail light.  Unfortunately they would get plugged and you couldn't get
gas to flow into the tank at the pump for more than a few seconds before the pump handle would kick off.   It could take as much as 20 minutes to fill the tank on one that was plugged like that.   This required a tank removal. (if you didn't have a receiver hitch installed)   Then pull the vent hose and "goose neck"  which was always getting plugged with spider webs or fine sand and dirt.

I just got real handy with an old screwdriver that could be rammed up in to the vent hose far enough to unplug the mud that would collect in there from driving on dirt roads after a rain! I had one reserved just for such purposes   :rolleyes:

Course I got really good at unscrambling the clutch linkage with a ball peen hammer as well!!   :D
 
........and those gear shift rods that passed through the motor mounting bulkheads on the drivers side.   :s 

How often I've bent a loop down off the clutch return spring after it broke.....That after walking the road side
for an hour hunting for it.  

So much of that stuff was covered by the pan under the front end that served as thee engine splash guard, which made things equally hard to work on under there.

All kinds of fun and games.  I learned to have it ready for winter and hoped I could get it through spring without
being out and under. 

I know a guy who had a 62 model in restored shape that sold it for $16,000 a year or so ago.   Guy had a business in Chicago his father had left him and their first delivery Van was an E100.  He was going to get it painted and hand lettered to look like the original to represent the biz in parades etc.  Use it for advertising and
write it off for advertising I guess.
 
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