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ainley53

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I recently retired and now live on Social Security. I’m REALLY tired of the “stick and brick” society and the hassles that go with it. I’m 62, single and the kids are all grown. My living expenses if I sell my house would be less than $800/month plus food and gas. My health insurance accounts for 40% of that. I’ve read the books written by Bob Wells and Ramana Starfield and just about everything on their websites. Bob seems to be “The Guru” for this life style. I’m still reading through the forums on cheapRVLiving.com. I tried sending Bob an email but it came back “Mail delivery failed”. So, I'm asking for advice and referrals as a newbie on the Forums. I would love to travel and see the United States. I've been giving serious thought to hitting the road in my Saturn Outlook and towing my Harley Electra Glide. I really LOVE my Harley and would like to park in NF or BLM, then explore the area on the Harley, then move to another area and repeat as needed until I’ve seen ALL of the United States. Of course with a motorcycle this big I need to stay on paved roads. I have plenty of tent camping equipment and my Saturn is big enough (7 feet) to sleep in on an air mattress and sleeping bag (when needed), but I would prefer trading it for a high top cargo van, box truck, or some similar vehicle with a tow hitch that I could build out to my liking. Considering the vast experience of those of you who have ”been there, done that” who better to as for advice and referrals. I really admire what all of you have done. Kindest regards, David Ainley in Houston Tx.
 
Welcome to the CRVL forums! I know of 4 people, off the top of my head, that travel full time with their big bikes or on them. either one is do-able. Bob wrote a 2 part blog post just a couple weeks ago about a woman who full times on her Harley, towing a tear drop.

We can't really advise if we don't know, specifically, what you want to know. Ask away!

To help you learn the ins and outs of these forums, this "Tips & Tricks" post lists some helpful information to get you started. We look forward to hearing more from you.
 
If you're not familiar with it, over on the Teardrops and Tiny Travel Trailers forum, they have a sub-forum devoted to cargo trailer conversions.  Lots of people over there set up 6X10s and 7x12s to haul both a motorcycle or two plus comfortable cots or fold down beds, a small kitchen area, etc. so they can live in the trailer when they've rolled the bike out to use it.  Spend some time over there looking over their build threads.

Regards
John
 
David, I apologize your email didn't get through, I don't know how that happened. It's my intention to answer every email I get so I'm embarrassed I didn't get yours. It is important to me!!!! Try again at
[email protected]

While I'm glad to help in any way I can, there is no doubt in my mind that the collective wisdom here on the forum is much, much greater than mine alone, so you are probably better off getting through here!! I know a little bit about a lot, but there are some really smart gals and guys here who know much more than I do.

I guess the most important thing we need to know is do you have a budget to change vehicles? The Saturn will work, but other vehicles would work better, can you afford to change?

Bear in mind that the single most important thing you can have is an emergency fund!!!!!!!! It's better to live in the Saturn with an emergency fund, than in a nice van or pickup with no fund.

You can compromise your comfort, but never compromise your emergency find...unless it is an actual emergency!
Bob
 
Think emergency fund of $10,000. Others want more. Some can handle less. Remember a plan to replenish it after you use it. Stuff happens.
 
I generally advise $3000 as a minimum. That will buy you a rebuild of the trans or engine and pay to stay at a motel while it's being done.

Worst case, you should be able to find a new-to-you van for less than that with some left over.
Bob
 
Bob, please do not feel badly about the email.  I'm sure I did something wrong when I sent it and figured if I posted it to your Forum, you or one of your friends would see it and I would get a response. This is a bit lengthy, but please bear with me.  I firmly believe if you want to know about "something" then ask someone who's experienced in that "something".  You, Sir, are the acknowledged "GURU" of RV living.  I've read your book and the one by Ramana Starfield and I've read everything on your website except your archived blogs.  I'm working my way through them from the beginning.  The posts about your bout with depression and the post by Jaclyn Heyen really touched me.  THANKS so much to both of you.

Perhaps a little history will help.  I was a workaholic.  I worked 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week from 1974 to 2012.  I was a Houston Police officer for 5 years and in that time I went through 2 divorces and 3 shootouts, not all of which were separate from the divorces.  LOL.  The last shootout was my second wife shooting at me.  Luckily she was so drunk she couldn't have hit water if she'd fallen out of a boat.  She did however manage to force me to resign from my dream job as a police officer by filing a false affidavit with Internal Affairs claiming I was selling drugs.  I spent a week sitting on my couch at home checking the fit of my Colt .45 in my mouth.  You may have seen the movie Lethal Weapon starring Mel Gibson.  Been there, done that.  While doing that I thought of my fourth and fifth grade school teacher, Mrs. Louise Lloyd.  Several times a day for 2 years she would tell us "A winner never quits and a quitter never wins".  All of a sudden I got really pissed.  No one can stop me, except me.  I decided I would do something to keep busy.  I didn't know what and it didn't matter, just so long as it kept me too busy to think about my situation.  I went to Yellow Cab and hired on as an "independent" contract driver.  I could work where I wanted, when I wanted for as long as I wanted.  I worked until I was too exhausted to drive, slept until I woke up and then did it all over again.  I did that for five years.  Then I upgraded and started my own limousine business.  Fifteen years later I merged my limo business with another one and ran that business for 12 more years.  I worked so much that my third wife (of 23 years) divorced me in 2006.  As it turns out, that was one of the best things she ever did for us.  We became best friends and I developed a very close relationship with our kids.  And the funny part was, all of a sudden I had money!  We had always just made ends meet and now I had money running out my ears, so to speak.  In early 2008 I had a heart attacked due to work related stress.  At that point I figured with all the stress in my life I would not live another 5 years.  I started buying everything I had always wanted but never had the money to buy.  What did it matter?  I'd get to enjoy it now and when I died (in the not too distant future) they'd get it back.  What did I care?  I bought a new house, a new SUV, 3 motorcycles in 2 years, all kinds of electronics, dozens of guns, just about every tool in the world, etc, etc.  In 2012 the stress from work got to me.  My partners' lack of integrity and my lack of "enough balls" to force them to take care of our employees and customers was more than I could continue to endure.  I snapped.  It was the middle of the day, in the middle of the week and we were busy as hell.  After a very heated argument with one of my partners I just got up and walked out.  I sold my shares in the company to one of my partners.  I started doing only what I wanted to do, whenever I wanted to do it.  Anything and everything.  And I started spending money like there was no tomorrow.  I suspect I was still very depressed and still assuming I had very few years left to live.  It's amazing how beneficial the lack of stress is though.  Early last year my cardiologist informed me that he could no longer detect any evidence of my heart attack.  He gave me a clean bill of health but insisted that I continue taking my medication to help prevent another one.  

So that brings us to now.  I'm 62, single and the kids are grown.  And I'm broke.  I started drawing Social Security as soon as I turned 62 but that's only $1400 a month.  I paid off everything I owed, except my house, when I sold my company shares but have since ran up quite a bit of credit card debt.  More depression.  I'm currently selling some of my gun collection to make ends meet.  To keep my house I must go back to work.  The thought of getting back into the "rat race" is VERY NAUSEATING!!!  The last 3 years have really spoiled me.  However, if I sell my house and all the crap I've bought and don't really need,  I could easily pay off everything and have a "nice little chunk" left over.  With no house, my monthly expenses drop to $755 a month plus food and gas.  $300 of that is my HPO health insurance, thanks to HealthCare.gov, otherwise it would be $1000 per month.  My one passion is riding my Harley Electa Glide.  I've ridden over most of Texas, Big Bend, the Hill Country, East Texas, Arkansas, Smokey Mountains, Sturgis, the Grand Canyon and southern Utah.  I have always wanted to see the natural wonders of the United States and would love nothing more than seeing them from the saddle of my iron horse.  

I have a 2008 Saturn Oultlook with all options except DVD and navigation which I love and a great motorcycle trailer that tilts.  I already have most of the camping equipment I would need.  I combed your website and compiled lists of what I have, what I would like to have and what (I think) I must have.  I know I could just load up whatever would fit in the Saturn, hitch the trailer and head out but if I spent $1200 for the "must have" stuff it would be much easier.  The $1200 would not be a problem.  The problem is there is NO WAY all that stuff will fit in my Saturn.  If I could trade for a cargo van, that would be much better, especially if I could find one with an extended length and extended top.  Another alternative would be a 16' box truck, the down side of that being 8 mpg.  Either of which I could easily build out over a little time for less than $5000 (according to my research) which should be no problem.  I guess the problem is getting rid of all my stuff and selling the house.  I'd like to have it done by mid July and head to Colorado.  I realize, as usual, once I finally make my mind up, I'll jump into it with both feet with never a doubt.  I always seem to figure out a way to get it done, one way or another.

Of course, on the "UP" side, I don't mind my own company.  I can keep myself entertained.  I love PBJ sandwiches, bologna, beans, rice, pasta, fruit, nuts and coffee.  My grocery costs are actually pretty low.  I only wear tee shirts, jeans and sneakers or boots.  I rarely drink alcoholic beverages.  I don't have to see all of the United States right now.  I'm thinking I could stay in NF or BLM.  Pick a spot on a paved road or really good gravel for a camp.  Spend a few days exploring the area on my Harley.  Then move to another area nor too far away and repeat.  And just keep on doing that.  While this is doable, there would be very little if any reserve cash left and gas and propane are not free.

I don't know Bob.  Maybe I just needed to talk to someone and get this off my chest.  I suspect I'm not desperate enough yet, even though I know I should be.  Any advise or referrals would be appreciated, especially concerning an available vehicle.

I apologize for taking so much of your time.  I'm sure there are lots of people out there who need your help more than I do.  Thanks for listening.
 
Have you thought about a box trailer? Room for the bike and things in front.

Get a little beefier tow unit and there you go.

Masterplumber has built a nice unit.
 
Yeah, I checked those out but my bike is a Harley Electra Glide.  It's 8 feet long and just over 3 feet wide and weights 1,000 lbs.  I would have to get a double axle trailer and that's twice as much as my Saturn is rated to pull.  I think a Chevy 3500 cargo van or something similar would be the ticket.  The motorcycle trailer I have is very light weight.  It tilts so the rear is on the ground, no ramp needed.  You just roll the bike off or ride it right up onto the trailer and the wheel chock locks the front tire.  I appreciate you reply.
 
The couple I bought my trailer from hauled a Harley in it, though I think it was a Heritage Soft Tail. I'm sure that's a little lighter but I'm not really up on Harleys. It also wasn't finished inside so the trailer itself was probably 1000 lbs lighter. Also, your Harley is wider than my KLR so the beds would probably have to be folded up and you wouldn't be able to sleep inside with the bike inside, at least in the configuration I have. You mentioned heading to Colorado early this summer, and that's where I live. If you wanted to do a trial/shakedown trip with just what you have now you're more than welcome to come by and check it out. We could even load the big bike inside and see how it fit, rode, etc... and see what you would have to change to accommodate, the life you want to live. After all, I built my trailer for my needs, which are different somewhat than yours. Just for reference, I have about $5000 in my trailer, including the purchase price, and still need to add solar panels and controller, another battery, and a 12v fridge, for it to be where I want it to be long term. I spent extra on nice paneling, lots of electrical, and a few other things that I wanted, but you could make a nice home much cheaper if you didn't need those things. So anyway, come on up if you want, sometimes seeing something in person and seeing how your stuff fits, rather than just pictures, can really help to codify if something will work for you or not, at least for me it does anyway.
 
Masterplumber, thanks for the reply and invite.  If I manage to get to Colorado I'll try to look you up just to say "hey" and check it out.
 
Hi David,

I gave a lot of thoughts and reread your long post from this morning. I too have to deal with severe depression and shopping sprees. It's too bad your Private Message option is off. This is not the kind of conversation I would want to have in a public forum. So if you need a sounding board or you would like to chit chat with someone that knows what your saying, do not hesitate to send me a PM with your email address. I hope I don't come across as a crazy old lady, I only want to help if I can.

I wish you all the best in your projects.

Take care

Nicole
 
1. Go to an RV auction. There you can get a loaded small RV, like an Aliner, or Alite 400 by Columbia Northwest or a Chalet of the same design, or one made by Forrest River in the same design that your car could pull for $1500.
2. Keep reading this forum. You will learn that it can be done. Many people are living this way. What a total relief it is to realize you WILL be able to make it.
3. Also, please read Bob's blog on how he got health insurance this year. The number one way people get bankrupt is credit cards and number two is medical. Once you realize from this forum you can make it, get your self some extreme situational health insurance like Bob did.
 
Belinda2 said:
1. Go to an RV auction. There you can get a loaded small RV, like an Aliner, or Alite 400 by Columbia Northwest or a Chalet of the same design, or one made by Forrest River in the same design that your car could pull for $1500.

Belinda - can you share some links to competitive auction places for small RV? I keep thinking that most places will just sell on EBAY instead of the auction house. EBAY gets you more customer exposure.
 
Hello David,

I'm partial to van. They are so versatile and easy to customize to your need. If you decide to go this route you might want to consider a 4 wheel drive one or add the 4 wheel drive kit to one. They are powerful enough to pull a trailer and your bike. This set up would allow you to really get out there. Just think if you were to get stock with your bike, your van could get you out.

Just one more option for you to juggle with. It'll be fun to see what you decide. Keep us inform, we're a curious bunch.

Nicole
 
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