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Jack

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I've been a hermit for many years.  I don't like attracting attention.  I like being the little mouse that scurries about unnoticed.  This is something I'd like to continue when I begin my new (full-time) van life.  What I'd love to see here is folks posting their very best stealthy tips, suggestions, hacks, and advice in every topic they can think.  It would be great to have one thread people could go to as a resource specifically for everything stealth.

For example, I like the idea of having a little wood burning stove but the smoke from the pipe vent isn't exactly stealthy.  Do high tops negate a vehicle's stealth?  What kind of power source is best for remaining unnoticed (for sound, fumes, etc.,)  What are your tips for stealth parking?  What about in a when the SHTF "bug out" type situation... what products, features, safeguards, etc., have you implemented or considered?  If it's stealth-related, I'm all ears.
 
Just to clarify something:  When I talk about being "stealthy," I'm not talking about trying to hide.  I'm not talking about the impossibility of driving, parking, and living as though you were invisible to everyone else.  No James Bond mindset here!

I'm simply talking about living, parking, and operating as quietly and unobtrusively as possible, without attracting unwanted attention from others.  However, I am also thinking about it in a disaster situation where there's public panic.  For lack of a better phrase, "a doomsday scenario."  I ask this because it's bound to happen sometime!   It's something I can't help but consider since I'm planning on living the van life full time.
 
GET A VAN THAT A SOCCER MOM WOULD DRIVE, I.E A LIGHT TAN OR SIMILIAR, NOT WHITE


GOOD LUCK
 
Jack:

Menard’s and Walmarts are your friends. My stealth vehicle is a Peterbilt straight truck, although what I say here would also apply to a typical “van”. There are lots of threads here on CRVL abt the being stealthly. Read these and you will come away with a broad education you can apply to your new lifestyle.

Regarding Walmart, I have stayed at a single Walmart as long as four days in a row, but I was NOT camping. Did some shopping; bought some prepared meals at the deli; and some groceries. Sometime I leave during the day and come back in the late afternoon. For WMs with NOP (no overnight parking) don’t park there ( dah ). Avoid WMs in large cities as they are probably NOP anyway.

I have stayed in more than 67 WMs in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio during the past eight years and HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. I do NOT check in with the store before I stay overnight; the less they know the better.

Don’t bring attention to yourself or to your vehicle. Don’t look like a slob. Don’t camp outside your vehicle. If you have windows in your vehicle, put the blinds down.

It’s all really just common sense . . . and it sounds by your post you have plenty of that!

Good luck in your new lifestyle.
 
I can't say much on the shtf subject.
Realistically should it happen being in the city won't make much difference weather you are in a stick and brick or a rolling bomb shelter. Marshall law will be in effect and movement will be restricted. Best way to "prep" for that day is don't be there when it happens. As far as day to day living solar panels are great because they are silent.
If you want to hide them get a contractor's roof rack and add PVC 6" pipes with caps that can hold water. Place them on the far sides of the rack rails so your panels are hidden. Add an air dam to the front of the rack to cut down on the wind resistance and it will also hide the front angle. Besides that, don't move around and rock your van or have music or a DVD too loud.
Cooking is best done away from where you are sleeping. The main point is don't make your presence known if you can help it.
Another good idea is if you are at WM use their bags for everything. Trash, laundry..etc. everyone is carrying them so you blend in with the crowd. And while you are in the city dress the part. Look at the shoppers and try to blend in with the style.
Being "Grey" doesn't mean wearing ninja outfits and thinking nobody can see you.
On the contrary they will. But just an average "Joe" won't be given a second glance. I hope you can find some useful hints here. I guess to sum it up, hide in plain sight. Best regards.

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I just happened to have some interesting interactions this year with my rig. Even though I'm parked in a spot that says, "Camp Host," people can't find me. They walk by my front door, walk around the trailer trying to figure out if anyone is in here, then some even walk away having missed my front door a second time. They won't knock, either. Of course, some do, but maybe as many as half can't "see" me. It's a lot. I should start scaring people; might as well get a laugh out of it.
 
Campor99 said:
GET A VAN THAT A SOCCER MOM WOULD DRIVE, I.E A LIGHT TAN  OR SIMILIAR, NOT WHITE


GOOD LUCK

Thanks, Campor99, but I just won't do it in anything smaller than a cargo van.  Living full-time out of anything smaller, even a minivan, at my age just isn't appealing.
 
speedhighway46 said:
Jack:

Menard’s and Walmarts are your friends....  Regarding Walmart, I have stayed at a single Walmart as long as four days in a row, but I was NOT camping. 

Don’t bring attention to yourself or to your vehicle. Don’t look like a slob. Don’t camp outside your vehicle. If you have windows in your vehicle, put the blinds down.

It’s all really just common sense . . . and it sounds by your post you have plenty of that!

Good luck in your new lifestyle.
Thanks for the suggestions.  I hadn't heard, or thought about, parking at Menards before but it makes a lot of sense as far as blending in goes.  Walmarts, for me, will definitely be a last resort.  I've been hearing a lot of stories about how people abuse the privilege of parking at WalMart and have been ruining it for everyone else.  That's just pathetic.  It wouldn't even dawn on me to "camp out" in their parking lot!  Stretch out your awning and lawn chairs with a cooler and music?  Seriously?!  :dodgy:   Some people's mamas clearly didn't spank them enough when they were kids but I'm willing to help her out and get 'em caught up...  

Preferably, I'd like to park off a rural road, behind a bunch of trees where it's quiet.  That's the kind of stealth that comes to my mind but, naturally, you can't just do that anywhere you want, or on private land without permission.  That's something I want to learn more about - where you can park in more rural/country locations.

The last thing I want to do is draw attention.  Just a dark, quiet, still, non-eye-catching vehicle tucked out of the way, minding it's own business and leaving no trace it was ever there.  (Who was that stealth van?)
 
Canine said:
I just happened to have some interesting interactions this year with my rig. Even though I'm parked in a spot that says, "Camp Host," people can't find me. They walk by my front door, walk around the trailer trying to figure out if anyone is in here, then some even walk away having missed my front door a second time. They won't knock, either. Of course, some do, but maybe as many as half can't "see" me. It's a lot. I should start scaring people; might as well get a laugh out of it.
An invisibility cloak over your front door.  That's pretty darn stealthy!  But, I know what you're talking about.  It's like there's something in the water... and everyone's drinking it.  Sadly, I'm not joking.  I've been seeing the simplest, most common sense things confuse people to the point of frustration.  The dumbing down of America is very real!  I'm going to call Jeff Foxworthy and see if I can borrow a few signs to hand out.
 
Beeps and eats said:
Realistically should it happen being in the city won't make much difference weather you are in a stick and brick or a rolling bomb shelter. Marshall law will be in effect and movement will be restricted. Best way to "prep" for that day is don't be there when it happens.
I'm not a prepper or anything like that, but yes, that has crossed my mind as one of the reasons I'd like to get out of the big city sooner than later.  It's a matter of time and I want my timing to be better than whatever goes down.  I want the van life for the freedom, especially over my time.  But there certainly are other added benefits. 


As far as day to day living solar panels are great because they are silent.
I definitely want solar panels.  Right now, I know absolutely nothing about them so I'll be learning all I can before I get them.  Everything from the wiring to the batteries, to the inverter... and what they all do!  Not to mention what size panels I'll need and what I can (and can't) power with them.


If you want to hide them get a contractor's roof rack and add PVC 6" pipes with caps that can hold water. Place them on the far sides of the rack rails so your panels are hidden. Add an air dam to the front of the rack to cut down on the wind resistance and it will also hide the front angle.
This is exactly the kind of thing I wanted to hear!  I can't quite picture what you're talking about though.  Can you link a picture for me to see it?


Besides that, don't move around and rock your van or have music or a DVD too loud.
You've heard of being as quiet as a church mouse?  Hello.  I'm that mouse.  The only thing I own that makes noise is my laptop and my cast iron pan when I set it on the stove.  I keep the volume on my laptop down so low that, in a van, if someone were sitting in the passenger seat and I had my laptop behind them on the bed, they wouldn't even hear it.  And as for the van rocking... only if an earthquake comes along.  Two big things about me are 1) I love silence.  Heck, I evicted the church mouse for making too much noise!  And 2) I'm a voracious reader.  In other words, to borrow from the van life terminology, my entire life is lived in stealth mode.  


Cooking is best done away from where you are sleeping. The main point is don't make your presence known if you can help it.
Good point.  Personally, if I'm trying to park in stealth mode, there won't be any cooking at all.  That's like having a wood stove in the van and sending up smoke signals.  In stealth mode, it's grab and eat food until I leave in the morning.  I won't even have a microwave.  


Another good idea is if you are at WM use their bags for everything. Trash, laundry..etc. everyone is carrying them so you blend in with the crowd.
Another great point!

While responding to your points, it dawned on me that maybe I have a different idea of stealth parking, or even boondocking, than other people do.  In my mind, if I pull into a Walmart parking lot, it's at the time when I want to lock down the van tight, jump in the back, clean up or unwind for a short time, and then get some sleep.  In the morning, refresh yourself and head out somewhere to cook breakfast.  When I think about parking at Walmart, I don't think about showing up in the early afternoon, hanging around all day making myself at home, and leaving the next afternoon!  Heck, even if I wanted to do some shopping at Walmart the next morning, I'd move my van to the customer parking area before I went in, not leave it where I parked for the night.  That way, no one sees your vehicle in one place for too long.
 
Smart about reparking. The walmarts near me are anti-overnight anyway. But there's a huge shopping center I park near frequently at night (different spots). There's an apartment near the shopping center, so I blend in with street parked cars there at night (which are mostly friends of people in the apartments). If I do morning shopping, I always drive my car into the parking lot nearest the store so I blend with just-arriving morning customers. I usually cook in/near parks. If I have breakfast while lot-docking, it's fruit or bought ready to eat from an establishment at the shopping center.

I made the mistake once of cooking where I was sleeping in town and regretted it as I attracted attention and moved to sleep as I saw watching eyes checking out the vehicle.

For city areas you will be in for awhile, I advise doing some late night neighborhood driving. Look for shopping centers/apartment complexes with free street parking and arrive ready to just sleep. Apartments hold a lot of people, so unlike neighborhoods with houses there could be a lot of reasons a random car shows up infrequently.

Warehouse areas have also been good to me for a good late night sleep. People tend to work late and have overnight shifts at warehouse. The worse people assume is that you are catching some sleep before or after a late/graveyard shift. And a cargo van would just belong sitting around, no one would blink driving/walking past it. A lot of warehouse areas also have not-so-slealthy RVs taking a quick rest near them. Whenever you see that, you know you are good to go as long as you are quiet, unobstrusive, and going straight to bed.
 
Thanks rhondaweasley.  That's the policy that I'll be adopting when it comes to urban parking.  No need to invite trouble!

ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ALL:  I'm finding the whole issue of stealth a bit confusing.  Some say there's no such thing, that it's an illusion to think it exists.  Others say stealth is an absolute must.  Then there are those in the middle.  Granted, people can only offer their opinions based on their own experiences but it sure can leave the rest of us scratching our heads!  

Is having solar panels going to attract unwanted attention?
How about those that can be angled?
How about when people see a window A/C mounted through a wall?
How about when people see an awning rolled up and stored?

These are comforts and things I'd like.  I'm going full-time when I get my van.  I'll be in both rural and urban areas.  I don't want to attract attention from anyone, much less thugs or the police.  So, how do folks decided what to put in/on their vans?
 
Some high vans solar panels are hidden from those walking by.

With the rest stealth goes out the window.

But that may not matter in the right places right procedures no worries.
 
As to the woodstove comment. I know people who burn chunk charcoal in theirs bc it's nearly smokeless.

I travel and sleep in a small SUV. I'm Simply quiet at night. Limo tinted the windows so others can't see much. Don't stay long in an urban setting. Pick 24/7 grocery store parking lot and park among the workers cars...
 
John61CT said:
Some high vans solar panels are hidden from those walking by.

With the rest stealth goes out the window.

But that may not matter in the right places right procedures no worries.
What are your thoughts on the need to be stealth in more rural areas and in the countryside?
 
simply lesa said:
As to the woodstove comment. I know people who burn chunk charcoal in theirs bc it's nearly smokeless.

I travel and sleep in a small SUV. I'm Simply quiet at night. Limo tinted the windows so others  can't see much. Don't stay long in an urban setting. Pick 24/7 grocery store parking lot and park among the workers cars...
I really like the idea of having a small wood stove (or charcoal).  I wouldn't use it in urban areas, naturally.  I'm quiet, too.  Not just at night but during the day, too!  I'd like to see your small SUV so I'm heading over to your blog in hopes that you have pictures!
 
I have a stealth question.  When I consider a white van, I would only choose white to blend in with other work vans.  That's it.  Otherwise, I'd go with something like a charcoal gray or a forest green color.

I was watching an obnoxious YouTuber talking about "stealth" and he made some great points.  He lives in a pretty flashy (and wildly tacky) Class B in his city in Canada.  He has a regular job and has never had a landlord.  Thus, he's parked everywhere around the city.  He said the only attention his van attracts is complimentary.  Even when he's parked on streets, when the people come out of their homes, they look and smile, giving him a thumbs up... and he doesn't know them. 

In short, he said when it's obvious that someone is living in a vehicle and doesn't try to hide, people are more comfortable with it.  But, that when they see white vans and people going inside but not driving away, that freaks people out more.  He expounds on all this and, I have to admit, it made sense.  On the flip side, for the most part, he seems to stay mostly in his local area.

Other than boondocking and blending in with other white vans in parking lots, is the idea of "stealth" really just an illusion?  Does the stealth factor actually add to the creepiness of the "white van down by the river" joke?  I see both sides, and know it's more personal preference than anything else, but I'd like to know what other's think.
 
What is the answer?
That will work all the time for you, 365 days per year, for years?
Wherever and whenever you want?
Blending in with a typical white cargo van?
Believe everything that you see on YouTube?
Is everything he says totally true, all the time, for everyone, everywhere?
And will it be tomorrow with more people like you soon to be parking sleeping on the street in a white cargo van? Because the fantasy of free and cheap living in a van to travel everywhere without a care or bother in the world is the pot of gold rainbow answer for everyone?
His experience is valid for you?
What city is he in and is it the same for your city?
When and where do you see white cargo vans typically? And parked at night?
This fallacy that a white cargo van is stealth isn't quite reality?

In heavily trafficked Urban areas, stealth is short term plausible and possible. Never certain nor guaranteed. How does that allow you to sleep at night? And the noise, break in/ accident possibility? Some can sleep through a bombing, can you?

Most commercial white cargo van activity happens during the day in commercial areas.
Same spots, same areas. All the time. Typical van dweller is hoping to blend in. Some even think they are low profile in a Walmart parking lot. Overnight.
Typical Walmart shopper in a white cargo van for 8-10 hours in the parking lot overnight? And with out of state plates, roof vent and solar with curtains? Maybe rusted and dented old van?

So park with the other white cargo vans overnight in a commercial area. Are they all white, recent, unmarked? Out of state plates? Have a roof vent and solar? Usually three vans every night but tonight there's four? More police patrol in commercial zones?
How well does that white van blend in the forest?
How well does it blend in a residential suburban area? On which street? Will some homeowner see an out of context white van parked on the street in front of their house and be suspicious, call the police? Park near a school, park or govt office overnight?

How strong are your metachondrions? Cloaking device? Nothing to see here, move along, as you wave them off...

There is an excellent sticky on here on stealth and a long thread on the Urban stealth legend. Lots of answers there.
 
Jack said:
I have a stealth question.  When I consider a white van, I would only choose white to blend in with other work vans.  That's it.  Otherwise, I'd go with something like a charcoal gray or a forest green color....

..Other than boondocking and blending in with other white vans in parking lots, is the idea of "stealth" really just an illusion?  Does the stealth factor actually add to the creepiness of the "white van down by the river" joke?  I see both sides, and know it's more personal preference than anything else, but I'd like to know what other's think.

  Because you have mentioned staying cool as an important factor, I  would not consider anything other than a white or light colored van. The difference between interior temperatures of dark and light colored vans when sitting in the sun is dramatic.

 I can't comment on the stealthiness of different vans but after many years of fulltiming in a completely unstealthy RV, which includes driveway parking, a few incidents of street parking, many side of the road pull-offs, and an enormous number of big box store lots, we have been asked to move just a handful of times.
 
Stealth is more about keeping to yourself and being clean. That means no murals on the van, no furniture strewn outside the van. No ugly messes of wires- keep them tidy and neat. If you can keep anything out of sight, then do that. Keep the van clean. Have nice tires. Replace broken mirrors. Stealth is kind of like house cleaning- no one notices until you don't do it.

Attitude and courtesy go a loooooong way. For example: When I had my dog, we went to a lake to fish. The rule was dogs on leash. My dog was off leash which wasn't a problem because she didn't run off or cause any sort of problem. The guy about 300 feet away from me let his dog run loose and started chasing a deer or something. I can't quite remember. Anyway, my dog saw this and just watched. Then a Fish and Game officer raced up to the guy and yelled at him to get that dog on a leash! He was mad. Then he looked over at my dog. She was obviously not on a leash. The officer turned away, got in his truck, and drove off. Was I being a criminal? Yes. There was no doubt about my illegal activity. But because I wasn't hurting anyone, he respected that, and had so little concern that he granted me just a glance.

There is no question you should not make yourself stand out. But what is more important is if you are causing harm or will potentially cause harm. Most people don't care what you do as long as you aren't hurting anyone. Cops are too busy with other things than bugging people who are doing their best to positively contribute toward society.

You will eventually get a knock on the door. You will eventually meet up with someone who will have a problem with you. It happens in sticks and bricks houses, too. All you can do is minimize it. Stealth is less about color and more about attitude. I would rather hire a clean cut person with long hair, a bunch of tattoos, and can speak clearly rather than a scroungy guy with short hair, no tattoos, and an ignorant mouth.
 

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