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Vagabound

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(Disclaimer:  Though not the goal of this post, if you are a person who easily gets queasy, you might want to hop out now)

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What's worse than pooping in a bucket?

1.  Pooping in a bucket outside.

What's worse than # 1?

2.  Pooping in a bucket outside when it's 37F.

What's worse than # 2?

3.  Pooping in a bucket outside when it's 37F at night.

What's worse than # 3?

4.  Pooping in a bucket outside when it's 37F at night and you have explosive diarrhea.

What's worse than # 4?

5.  Pooping in a bucket outside when it's 37F at night and you have explosive diarrhea and strong vomiting at the same time.

What's worse than #5?

6.  Going to bed at 10pm, but then waking up suddenly at 11:30pm to run outside and do it all again!

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Welcome to the Exciting Intersection of Early-Days Mobile Living and Food Poisoning!

Though self-diagnosis is similar to the situation of a person deciding to be his own laywer, and so questionable, I have had occasional experience with food poisoning over the years and have learned to recognize the signs and symptoms.  The account below is pretty typical.  

At noon yesterday, I was fine and meandering around in high spirits in my other house -- Home Depot (HD).  By 1pm, I started to feel unexpectedly weak and dizzy.  Within 30 minutes, I got nauseated.  Located a Coke machine, bought one, and took a seat.  Drinking Coke usually helps me when I have an upset stomach -- this time it didn't help.  Red flag.  I spent the next 30-60 minutes sitting on a ladder cart in HD, with labored breathing, alternately holding my head in my hands and staring at my shopping cart which now seemed an insurmountable task.

I finally got myself out of HD, and hopscotched my way home, stopping at various places to use the toilet.  Stopped at CVS to load up on symptom medicine.  Got home, and then the story at the beginning of the post began.

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Lessons Learned or Recalled

1.  Even though you'll be feeling really bad, before you need it, get the bucket toilet and toilet paper ready.  There will be no time later.

2.  My truck box is nearly totally full with no space for a "bathroom" at the moment.  You can leave the toilet outside, with a normal bucket lid resting loosely on it, but I strongly recommend bringing the luggable loo seat _inside_ where the heat is.  Then, grab that seat and take it outside when the "alarm" rings.  Made a big difference.

3.  In all cases of food poisoning I've had, the progression is like this:  Start feeling sick suddenly, gets worse quickly, no medicine helps, finally my body "explodes", and after that, I start to feel better.  It usually only requires one of those explosive episodes to begin the recovery process.  This time, it was two.

4.  I don't know what I got, but the symptoms match E-coli.  Standard prescription is to monitor, treat symptoms, and rest.  If it gets worse, go see a doctor.  Resolves within a week.  My experience tells me that after a night of hell, the next day I feel a lot better.  For example, I now have the strength and interest to type this post.

5.  Ironically, taking "don't puke" and "backdoor trot" medicines (and even drinking Coke) tends to speed up the explosion.  I think it just adds to the stuff that one's body wants/needs to reject.  Every instinct tells you, in this situation, to suppress vomiting.  That is wrong.  Let it come as soon as it can.  It is the beginning of the recovery, and there will be extended misery and no recovery without it.

6.  Don't eat or drink anything normal or interesting during this time.  After the explosion, start sipping water and eating Saltine crackers.

7.  Weakness is normal.  Try to rest a lot.

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Toilet Tidbits

* Luggable Loo Seat:  I recently purchased one.  Nice concept, but it seems to be designed for very small adults or children.  I'm not a particularly big person, but it is really too small for me.  To give you a practical sense of it, imagine trying to crap through a hole in a dinner plate.  It's a bit better than that, but not much.

*  Cat Litter:  I forgot that I hate everything to do with cat boxes and cat litter, especially the smell of it.  If that's the case with you, that makes the experience of using a bucket toilet worse.  Pick some other absorbent material with a better smell (wood shavings, coconut fibers, etc).

* Spaceman Spiff (member on CRVL forum) knows his stuff when it comes to bucket toilet design and method.  It was mostly what I determined from commonsense beforehand, but he clarifies it nicely.  I've been following his method and it has worked well.  You can find his best description in some thread related to toilets and $15 as I recall.  Sorry, I don't have the link at the moment.  Maybe someone can add it to this thread.

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I'm not really a "silver linings" guy, but there was one this time  --  I had never before seen Orion on a crystal clear night ... from my toilet.

I hope this will be informative for any similarly afflicted soul who "trots" in my footsteps.

Vagabound
 
Were you able to figure out the likely culprit for where/how you got food poisoning?
 
I had it happen in the mid twenties. no fun. I too was outdoors, as soon as I climbed back in my bag and warmed up, another round would come up. what a night. highdesertranger
 
I've had food poisoning twice in my life and I imagine death to be a much more pleasant experience. Once from Chinese food and once at Legal Sea Food. I saw a co worker while at Legal Sea Food and we were both absent from work the next day. I've never eaten at Legal Sea Food or that Chinese restaurant again.

Glad you made it through the night!, that's always the worst part. Suppose it's good to get this type of experience under your belt early on in your vehicle dwelling adventures?! Now you should be ready for most anything thrown your way.
 
KASibson said:
Were you able to figure out the likely culprit for where/how you got food poisoning?

My diet in the last few days was pretty limited, both in quantity and source.  So, high chance it was either 1) deli chicken wrap from Walmart, 2) green seedless grapes from Walmart, or 3) sausage biscuit from Burger King.

I suspect the grapes, which really bites, because I like them so much and now have to get rid of them.  The bags of grapes in the produce section are always open for people to fondle them, grab one and "try" it, etc.  I suspected that at the time, but bought them anyway.  Due to no real facilities at present, and being very busy, I didn't wash them before I ate them.  Always a bad thing to do.  I know better.

Or the alien probe could have been contaminated the other night when the "visitors" came. ;-)

Vagabound
 
Although I doubt this is the reason for the grapes, a lot of the time they're imported from countries that have much less strict laws on what they can and can't use etc, so that could potentially be the culprate. When I worked at sams club produce I found nearly all the fruits came from over seas somewhere.
 
you were probed

food poisoning usually kicks in quick,like within the hour of eating so what was the last thing you ate

dont know about the grapes but just thinking of walmart chicken about makes my puke
 
Vagabound said:
My diet in the last few days was pretty limited, both in quantity and source.  So, high chance it was either 1) deli chicken wrap from Walmart, 2) green seedless grapes from Walmart, or 3) sausage biscuit from Burger King.

I suspect the grapes, which really bites, because I like them so much and now have to get rid of them.  The bags of grapes in the produce section are always open for people to fondle them, grab one and "try" it, etc.  I suspected that at the time, but bought them anyway.  Due to no real facilities at present, and being very busy, I didn't wash them before I ate them.  Always a bad thing to do.  I know better.

Or the alien probe could have been contaminated the other night when the "visitors" came. ;-)

Vagabound

I'd go with the grapes myself.

Having worked in the Walmart Deli for 7 months I cannot tell you how many times we chucked food we "Questioned" and even chucked 5 cases of raw chicken that was left out of the chill room for 10 minutes too long. That alone was 7 X 12 and at $4.98 each, you can quickly see what that cost us.

Not saying we didn't have "Errors" but in all the time I was there, the problems we had were with the fried chicken, never the rotisserie chicken.
 
I had a terrible case of stomach virus a couple weeks ago and during lucid moments recall being very grateful that I was in my apartment, temp controlled and running water...
 
1968 Morocco Marrakesh long food line BYOB (bring your own bowl) making soup in a 55 gallon drum, had a bowl very tasty almost went back for seconds dang 5 cents a bowl. seems after the evening restaurants closed he would pick-up the scraps add water and spices and cook the heck out of it in the 55 gallon drum, went back to my pension, and realized what I had done. After some hours of "all the above" I went to the front desk and in my broken French explained my situation he laughed and pointed me to the Turk on the corner who sold me a bottle of clear liquid and said "drink all" I think it was citrate of Magnesia.
 
I occasionally have minor situations of needing to "void" more than usual, but nothing like the pure Hell you went through. But when it happens, it's your body needing to get rid of something it doesn't like.
I'd bet on the grapes too. Too many cases of dirty foods in bags, more usually veggies. Have heard of migrant workers doing Number 1 and Number 2 out in the fields, contaminating the produce.
 
Gary68 said:
you were probed

food poisoning usually kicks in quick,like within the hour of eating so what was the last thing you ate

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No doubt. ;-)

The grapes.  About 6-8 of them.  Probably one hour before.

Vagabound
 
I count myself lucky that it usually doesn't reach my lower end
Me with food poisoning
Eat
1-2 hours, dizzy, weak, cold sweat
within an hour
Vomiting
2 hours later,
all good
you had a much worse experience
 
We use to get it in Mexico to the point I started having the cabby stop at a pharmacia on the way to the hotel. Those were light cases compared to what we got from the swankiest sea food joint in town. We started getting sick not long after getting home and stayed that way for days. There was no choosing one end or the other, we had buckets next to the toilets just in case.

It would be hell in a van with a bucket outside. I line the trailers toilet for extra grey water capacity but I wouldn't if I were sick like that. There would have been times I wouldn't have been able to dispose of the bag a reline in time.

I hope you are feeling better and tell the aliens to wash those probes first.
 
Maybe that's why I don't diarrhea, haven't been probed LOL
 
jimindenver said:
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It would be hell in a van with a bucket outside. I line the trailers toilet for extra grey water capacity but I wouldn't if I were sick like that. There would have been times I wouldn't have been able to dispose of the bag a reline in time.
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It has been, well, a challenge.


I hope you are feeling better and tell the aliens to wash those probes first.

I am, thanks.  On the road to recovery anyway.  Exhausted now and need to sleep, but it's only 6:30pm.  Heading home to drug myself into oblivion.

Vagabound
 
My theory is your body tries to get rid of the nasty bacteria by any means, (any hole). If it can expel it, your body doesn't need antibodies to try to fight it. Taking medicine for diarrhea or limiting liquid intake makes matters worst. When I get food poisoning I drink water until I can drink no more. Sure I vomit a lot, but it beats having the dry heaves.
 
With severe bouts of both you may consider drinking some Pedi sure or a Gatorade or something else similar to boost your electrolytes.

Small sips...small quantity.

Good luck!
 
Emergen C is a great electrolyte replacer. Since it's powdered and and shelf stable I always keep a box in the trailer. When I'm someplace like RTR with lots of people around I drink a dose daily just to stave off illness.
 
Always keep a smallish dollar store plastic wastebasket in your rig, easily available. That way, you can run at both ends w/o changing position. Much easier than the head/tail routine.
 

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