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I would **love** to raise my kids to be that self-sufficient before hitting puberty. But you're right, it is, like so many positive adventurous activities, now illegal.

But then many heinous crimes, that are indeed evil, used to be major parts of everyday human life, so I guess in balance we haven't quite thrown out the baby with the bathwater.
 
Letting your 10 year old walk to the park nowdays is defined as 'free range parenting' and folks have been arrested for that.

When I was a kid we lived on the outskirts of Johannesburg. At 10 mom would give us the bus fare to hang around in the city all day if we wanted. Both parents worked and during school vacations we just took care of ourselves. Whether that;s good or bad, it's hard to imagine now.
 
That article was a fun short read. The best part was imagining a 10 and 6 year old not only buying a car, but then driving it from NYC to Oklahoma. Almost unbelievable!
 
Here's something that drives me nuts. Headlines such as :

'Mom keeps child locked in closet for 5 years' 'Dad murders family of Five'

The terms mom and dad used to be terms of endearment for people who loved and cared about their kids. Now it's often used for anyone who was able to reproduce. And that doesn't take much.
 
Or like Messanie Wilkins of Maine.  

1954:  She had been sick, her doctor told her that she had less than two years to live (she was 63), and she was losing her home.  So she decided to ride a horse across the U.S. and see the Pacific Ocean with her dog.  And she made it.  But her doctor was wrong-- she lived another 11 years.  Last of the Saddle Tramps:  One Woman's Seven Thousand Mile Equestrian Odyssey, by Messanie Wilkins.

Most Americans of today seem to be afraid of everything, except spending money. They're afraid to insist that our schools teach their children. They think it's illegal to spank their kids (it's legal in all 50 states). They're afraid to take a stand against their kids, so the kids rule them. If someone yells at their kids because they were nasty or did something bad, the parents call the police. Parents have the kids they deserve because they're too gutless to do anything for or about them. Many people have DOGS that are trained better than most kids.
 
I like the brats anyway


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When my #3 son at nine, was suspended from school (in the 90s- I was a single mom of four boys), I said, "well, it's time for the belt". He immediately said "you can't do that, it's child abuse". I opened the phone book to Child Protective Services and told him to call them and tell them what I was going to do. He did call them and after he had a nice conversation with a case worker (I never spoke to her), she ended up telling him that he deserved it and that he should not waste their time calling them again.

My #4 son watched his older brothers, got one spanking at 5 and never again needed one.

In my house, if Momma ain't happy, nobody is happy. And don't bother me in the morning until after coffee and newspaper unless the house was on fire or someone was bleeding on the carpet.

I let my 12 year old wander around Tokyo, including the subway by himself. All my kids flew transcontinentally and internationally by themselves. #4 (at 11) ended up in LAX intl terminal having flown unaccompanied from Phoenix to go on a 16 hour flight to Singapore. They didn't want to let him in the plane without an adult, but with a Mom not answering a phone in Arizona and Dad in Singapore, they had no choice.

I let my kids play with knives and fire - with supervision. That's the only way to learn not to get burnt. College three of them, one six years a Marine, one 7 years in the Navy and the youngest still (6th year) in the Army. All of them were shocked at how easy the boot camps were. "Mom, they're all ******* there!" They're all good boys, upstanding citizens. .

I don't think I would get away with my "parenting" nowadays.
 
Oh, #3 son got suspended from the bus at 13. We made sure ha had enough water and made him walk 5 miles (in AZ desert) to and from school. Unfortunately, the school principal decided to rescind the suspension because she felt sorry for him. I was not happy with that decision.

He was a handful, but got over it by 16.
 
I hate the term "Free Range Parenting" It's good, normal, healthy parenting! When I was 12 and my younger brother was 9 my family went to Six Flags in New Jersey and stayed at a campground like we did every summer. This one had a free shuttle bus that went to Six Flags. My brother and I would ride it ourselves and stay at the park from open to close and then take it home. One night we missed it and had to walk the 3 or 4 miles back to the campground. We didn't panic, we weren't scared nor did my parents worry when we arrived two hours later than we should have. They said, we figured you missed the bus, knowing we'd squeeze every last ride in that we could.

Started shooting guns at 7, could field dress a deer at ten, hike with a compass by 12. Rode my bike to school starting in the 2nd grade.

My Mom jokes she could never raise a kid now a days, with them hanging around the house 24/7. You'd lose your mind!

Where did the world go wrong in this aspect?
 
Best thing I have read today.. Thanks.

Rob
 
Yes free-range kids are the ones more properly raised.

We used to have lots of them, that way when you lost a couple wasn't such a big deal.

The fundamental problem is society in general being manipulated into allowing our lives to be ruled by fear.

The goal now is to ensure comfort, to eliminate risks, avoid pain, rather than to live life to the full.
 
Zoo animals live twice the lifespan of their natural cousins. Steady meals, no predators and vets - but what a horrible price to pay for safety
 
Guess if we really wanted to raise our kids with a lot more freedom, we could always show the gumption our grandparents did and move to a new country (mine came from Ireland and France). I bet kids in nowhere South America or east bumfu_k Africa or rural India can roam as they please, take motorcycle trips, wander around on horseback...

But I'd guess most of us like the bennies that come from first world living and don't really want the freedom for the kids unless it comes complete with sanitation and safety.

Not saying all this fear mongering and endless regulation is a good thing, but that genie isn't going back in the bottle so options are limited.
 
I've raised three crops of kids, and none have lived in first world conditions more than a couple years in a row, nor in the same country more than five.

Never had a TV, most of the time running water and shore power a rare luxury, sometimes very very low SoL in US terms.

And so far every one independent thinking good people, some rebellious, very determined to earn a high level of material comfort :cool:
 
Free range ~~~  

At 4, I would stay at home by myself.  We had a permanant business selling eggs and produce.  I could count and add, so I was not shy at selling things to anyone.  

I had a lab / shepard mix, and a domestic goose for guards.   :D  Talk about confidence builders... Times have changed.
 
Helicopter parents... bah!

Making your kids be independent is the best legacy you can give them. As soon as mine were old enough to understand, I told them that the day after they graduated high school, they'd better have a job and an apartment lined up 'cause all their stuff was going out onto the lawn. Unless they enrolled in college, and they were welcome to stay at home until the day after they graduated from college, and THEN they'd better have a job and apartment lined up 'cause all their stuff was going out onto the lawn.

My kids, at 35, 32, and 28 are all self-sufficient and doing well for themselves. I'm proud of all of them.
 
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