Home base idea

[Vic.]

I've searched for lots as well in the SW desert, but I figured it couldn't be so simple.

 

[Hereandthere]

So.... are there any counties that are particularly good for what people here would want????

 

[Terry]

You should check this information put before relying on it but there were a lot of counties in AZ that had an option to opt out of the permit process but you needed to own 4 or more acres for this to apply. It was a long time ago, couple of years, that I was researching but it was valid at one time.

 

[Zil]

I'm sure there are places with out too much zoning type regulation, but the trend is toward more regulation and that is the future. What you find today is different tomorrow.

 

[Terry]

the information was easy for me to find again. Here is a link to get started. http://cochise.az.gov/uploadedFiles/Planning_and_Zoning/Owner Builder Opt Out Packet.pdf What I referred to starts on page two. The first page after the application form.

 

[RogueRV2]

Here in Lincoln County, Montana, There are no building codes for residential dwellings!!! There are many folks up here who do pretty much what they want. This is not to say one won't need a permit for an out house, yet it is an easy no hassle affair. It is fairly common to see RV's parked for the summer on lots. In fact Canadians have bot lots of lots and use them for camping out for the summer. What you are looking for is probably found in this county and others in this part of the country, even in Idaho. Of course it can be a bit chilly in early spring and late fall. This is why I have a wood stove in the MH. Used it last night. One arm full of scrap wood and it was 85 degrees for most of the evening (4 hours), with the front door wide open. The stove occupies a 3' x 3' x 3' area. If not needed it can quickly and easily be moved, perhaps outside in the summer and used for cooking, and the interior spaced used in another way. I could over winter here and be warm in -20 temps no problem.

 

[highdesertranger]

roguerv2 got any pics of your stove? what brand? sorry about the derail. highdesertranger

 

[RogueRV2]

Hello highdesertranger,
Perhaps I should take some pics of the installation. Here is the stove as it can be purchased. http://www.imsplus.com/m-1941-military-t...-4214.html Actually, I have two stoves for the RV, other is much smaller and uses even less fuel to cook and heat, and produces less heat for, it's home made and can be replicated by anyone with a drill and a jig saw and the large 40mm ammo can. There How To videos on YouTube to make a simple and smaller Ammo Can Stove using 30 cal cans. Mine is patterned after the M1941 stove and is better stove that the simple designs on You Tube. It is a good small/tiny stove, practical, and measures roughly 16" x16" x 8 " wide. It would fit in very tight spaces and performs well. Easy to cook on. Fully stoked and shut down, because of the small fire box, it holds a fire for about 1 hour 45 minutes tops with pine. Perhaps the time wood be twice that if hard woods were used. By volume, oak has almost twice the btu's of most soft woods.

I've used the M1941 through a winter. It does everything well. It is airtight enough to almost kill a fire. Real airtight stoves are expensive. This one is cheap and almost as good. The temperature can kept high enough and stable for the 45 minutes necessary to use a pressure cooker to cook up dry beans. Open the stove top and insert a pot down into the stove, and it will quickly boil the water with a hot fire. I've seen it boil 1 gallon in about 3 minutes. That is Warp Speed fast! For the price, you can't beat it. Lights easy, easy to clean, very smart design, light weight, and stupid simple to use.....During the war, the Germans probably wished they had one too. If they could heat a tent with it, it will heat a RV and does that easily as well. If it might help, I will find the camera and take photos.....

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Cont,

I see that I am tired and my writing is very sloppy. Sorry about that...been working on the RV that I will now name The Ark. Back to the stove. Most folks are unaware that the old cook stoves had removable tops that were used to insert a pot or skillet into the fire box. This method is used to speed up cook times. It is the High setting so to speak. When used that way, the proper way, less fuel and heat is needed to cook. It does require some practice to use the stove in this way. We have lost that knowledge. Wait for coals to form, shut down the fresh air intake (door at the bottom), and open the flue, then insert the pot. The smoke will *tend* to go up and out the pipe instead of inside the cabin. The M1941 is actually fed though the opening at on the top, so it can be a bit tricky to feed, especially if the fire is raging. 12 to 14 inch long wood is the maximum length for the largest in diameter and length wood it can accept. The stove top is also designed to accept the standard 10 inch in diameter iron skillet. This size skillet is ideal as it can be used to cook just about anything and enough for two persons. Using my large 4 gallon pot and lid, I believe I should be able to bake bread as well. Just used a metal stand off, or another method to raise the bead pan off of the bottom of the pot. The pot acts as the oven as it contains the heat. 'Quick breads' are easy to bake in this way and quicker. Get the ready to use bread mixes, or use recipes that use baking soda or baking powder, such as muffin mixes and such. Yum yum! Cookies and brownies are possible too.

Hello highdesertranger,
Perhaps I should take some pics of the installation. Here is the stove as it can be purchased. http://www.imsplus.com/m-1941-military-t...-4214.html Actually, I have two stoves for the RV, other is much smaller and uses even less fuel to cook and heat, and produces less heat for, it's home made and can be replicated by anyone with a drill and a jig saw and the large 40mm ammo can. There How To videos on YouTube to make a simple and smaller Ammo Can Stove using 30 cal cans. Mine is patterned after the M1941 stove and is better stove that the simple designs on You Tube. It is a good small/tiny stove, practical, and measures roughly 16" x16" x 8 " wide. It would fit in very tight spaces and performs well. Easy to cook on. Fully stoked and shut down, because of the small fire box, it holds a fire for about 1 hour 45 minutes tops with pine. Perhaps the time wood be twice that if hard woods were used. By volume, oak has almost twice the btu's of most soft woods.

I've used the M1941 through a winter. It does everything well. It is airtight enough to almost kill a fire. Real airtight stoves are expensive. This one is cheap and almost as good. The temperature can kept high enough and stable for the 45 minutes necessary to use a pressure cooker to cook up dry beans. Open the stove top and insert a pot down into the stove, and it will quickly boil the water with a hot fire. I've seen it boil 1 gallon in about 3 minutes. That is Warp Speed fast! For the price, you can't beat it. Lights easy, easy to clean, very smart design, light weight, and stupid simple to use.....During the war, the Germans probably wished they had one too. If they could heat a tent with it, it will heat a RV and does that easily as well. If it might help, I will find the camera and take photos.....

 

[highdesertranger]

roguerv2 your link doesn't work. however I looked up the m1941 stove and guess what I have that very stove, we use it in my military tent. have used it in temps of -5f and just as long as that stove was burning the tent was toasty. on a job once we cut down a huge ash tree and I got all the wood. I cut up all that ash to fit the stove. boy that worked great we could get about a 4hr burn with ash in that stove. thanks for the reply. highdesertranger

 

[RogueRV2]

Hi-ho highdesertranger,
These WWII stoves were good enough that they remained in production into the mid 1980's. I bolted the two halves together and use stove mortar to make it airtight. You can kill the fire when it's 'shut down', or make pine last most of the night. It is made tough enough to handle super hot burning coal, but have yet found any coal to burn. I'll post the link again and hope it works this time for others: http://www.imsplus.com/m-1941-military-tent-stove-nsn-4520-927-4214.html

If it does not work, use a search engine and look for "imsplus.com M1941 Military tent stove". The price is $165 delivered. Given the cost of shipping these days, the actual price of the stove is really impossible to beat. The poorly designed and difficult to operate Chinese stoves for about $150 to $200, do not include shipping. Please let me know if you can find any stove for this price, but I doubt if you'll find a better stove new in the box at this price. Unfortunately I forgot to mention the reason why these are such a good value. It is because they come covered in cosmoline. If you are sick of cosmoline, do not buy this stove! Use hot water and scrubbing pad to remove cosmoline. Diesel works too. Then paint it if you'd like. Cosmoline is a protective coating that the military uses to protect metal. If you'd like to store this stove long term, do not remove the cosmoline. It can also be burnt off when the time comes. Just run it as hot as possible and outside before installing it indoors.

I suppose we have now gone off the cliff and off topic.....

 

[stude53]

Way off!
Please take it to the heating or stove topic or private message so we can get back on track with a serious discussion of "home base".

Thanks,
Bob

 

[highdesertranger]

ok, sorry stude53. if you read post #32 I apologized for the derail and I have a short contribution to the original subject in post #13. again my apology. highdesertranger

 

[akrvbob]

Actually, I think it is totally on-topic. This is from the OP:

"Offgrid. Either a barn already on it or pole barn built. Barn can provide shelter from wind and sun, roof to divert rainwater for use plus carry solar for electric. Extreme colds I thought of maybe a wood stove inside barn to heat the area around the RV. Composting toilet or outhouse for regular use in or near barn to not need to dump black tanks as often or dig up a septic system. Grey water diverted outside or to water any plants."

She specifically brings up wood stoves and telling her about ones that can be used in both the RV and on the land seems very helpful to me.

However, Stude53, you make a good point that it is a very good subject for a thread of it's own.

If I get around to it I'll copy them off to a new thread and leave them here also.
Bob

 

[highdesertranger]

thanks bob. highdesertranger

 

[stude53]

Yeah, thanks Bob

Bob (aka stude53)