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Natgreen

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I have a 2001 dodge 3500 ram van. Cranks but won't fire up. I looked into the carburetor and pushed the gas and it's dry. I can hear the fuel tank wizzing when the power is on. 
I do know that this vehicle sat for about a year before I bought it. I highly suspect bad gas. I need some advice.
 
Have you checked the plugs for sparks?

Edit: How much gas in tank? I would empty the tank as much as possible(under a 1/4 tank, more if possible). Then fill tank and add fuel cleaner(s). Then drive it good to remove year old gas buildup. But if no spark...
 
I'm pretty sure it has a double barrel carb. 360 5.9l magnum
 
You didn't say whether it has ever run since you've owned it.

Anyway, if the carb is dry, including the float bowl, then it's a fuel delivery problem, like a bad pump or a clogged filter, maybe even a clog in the fuel line. If there's gas in the float bowl but it isn't spraying into the engine, then the carb is probably gummed up with old gas.
 
trying a search for a replacement carburetor shows that 1994 is the last year for carburetors. If you hear the fue3l pump in the tank making noises then with these two clues, you probably have a throttle body injection system. A throttle body looks a lot like a carburetor. Sat for a year? Minimum new fuel filter and how much gas is in the tank?
 
Natgreen said:
I'm pretty sure it has a double barrel carb. 360 5.9l magnum
Im pretty sure it doesn’t, it’s a fuel injected engine 8 injectors and if you look on the fuel rail you will see a valve stem cap or valve stem. In a pinch you can take the cap off use a tire pressure gauge and read around 49 psi, it’s on the drivers side. Don’t remember well but it was before 94 they stopped the carburetor ones in fact it was in the 80’s cause after the carburetor was the throttle body injection in the 80’s.
Next I would check for spark...
 
no to carburetor, yes to throttle body. throttle body doesn't pump gas out when you actuate the throttle like a carb.

take the air cleaner off

take a can of quick start.

while turning it over shoot a squirt of quick start down the throttle body.

what happens?

highdesertranger
 
Ok. Appreciate the feedback.

Yes. It did run. Sat for a year. Had a rough start. Drove it back to the house. Wouldn't start after that.

I'm not a mechanic but I am mechanically inclined. I got a Haynes manual. Thought it was a carb. Guess I'm wrong.

It has about 3/4 tank of gas in it. I was trying to avoid dropping the tank until absolutely necessary. I checked the lines and everything looked good. From what I understand the fuel filter is in the pump and I have to replace the whole pump if that's the issue.

I'm waiting for the part store to open. Will get starter fluid, pressure gauge, and I'll replace all the spark plugs
 
just do the quick start first and go from there. don't spend money on stuff until you know what the problem is. highdesertranger
 
Sometimes you create more problems by trying to fix more than one at a time. You know it ran and that required compression,spark,fuel and timing all of which it had. Fuel and spark the easiest usually to check by spraying starter fluid in the intake area. If it starts it is a fuel problem, if it doesn't check for spark as it is usually the next easiest thing to check by pulling a plug wire. You will be making several trips to the parts store with an older vehicle and impulse buying may use up money you may need for necessary repairs later. When people ask me to guess at what parts they need to fix their car I usually tell them "I guess you need a new car!"
 
Yeah, I'm with HDR and Bullfrog, you shouldn't need to install sparkplugs just to diagnose a no-start.  Perhaps if needed for maintenance, but I'd suggest to diagnose the problem first.  Do you know if the engine ran when it was parked or was the van parked because it didn't run back then?  The diagnostic process is still pretty much the same, but we'll just know more if a possibility of a hard failure and it might point us somewhere.  Knowing the history just helps to narrow thought processes.  For example, it would be helpful to know if the previous owner went through a bad breakup and an ex sugared the gas, put water in the tank, or some other shenanigans.  Did anyone try to do their own tune up or disassemble something and couldn't get it back together right, etc.?  Do we know if it had an overheating problem before parked?  If it was running absolutely find when parked we can eliminate certain issues and look elsewhere.

A gas engine needs fuel, compression, and spark at just the right time to start and run.  A squirt of quickstart into the throttle will examine the possibility of fuel as the issue.  Adding quickstart, if it starts briefly or sputters and dies that tells us the ignition system is good, you'll know the problem is fuel delivery or engine controls and can look more into that.  If it doesn't even sputter or pop, then we check for spark.  Pull a wire or coil at the sparkplug and hook it up to  an old sparkplug clamped to ground, then crank the engine and watch for spark.  A spark means ignition is most likely good (trigger/coil are working), although timing might still be suspect.  Last thing and least likely would be to check compression.  If compression is bad that would indicate a hard mechanical failure (bad news).  Again, if you know it was running fine when parked we can eliminate mechanical failure as a possibility.      

Fuel pumps are usually pretty quiet and only get noisy when they go bad, or if the filters are restricted and the pump is laboring.  Pumps and filters are a pretty common thing.  Since you're hearing the pump running, at least that means we're getting power to the pump.  Instead of buying sparkplugs, I'd look to change out the fuel filter and check the contents for any flecks of metal.  Just tap the filter with the inlet down and as the residual gas comes out you'll see flecks of metal or just clear gas.  Clear gas is good, but the presence of metal flecks means the fuel pump is chewing itself up and needs to be replaced (before it fails and leaves you stranded).  Unfortunately, if you see metal that would mean dropping the tank to change the pump.
 
I didn't have to drop my tank on my Dodge, I cut a hole through the floor and swapped it out that way. For whatever that's worth.
 
I put starter fluid in and nothing. Changing out the plugs now. One is stubborn as he'll. Can't get my socket to seat on it. The last one came out pretty rusted
 
If it's all totally crudded up and rusty on the firing tip that might indicate a head gasket/crack from overheating on that cylinder.

You can also further confirm fuel at the fuel rail by depressing the Schrader valve.  Residual pressure should cause a small spray of fuel.  So, if no cylinders fired with the addition of starter fluid, and with fuel pressure at the rail, then check for spark as described the above posts.  Might also want to peek under the distributor cap and check for moisture/red dust/excessive carbon.  Check to make sure the little wires from the ignition pickup are intact.  Check for spark out of the ignition coil next.  If you have sparks at the coil, but nothing out of the distributor then we look there...  If you don't have a spark at the coil, don't go running off and buying a bunch of parts just yet... it could be something else.  Know that Dodges have issues with corrosion on some of the wiring and connectors to the PCM and around the fuse box that can also cause no spark.
 
Thanks for the help. I give up though. I can't get this spark plug out. It's rusted. The tips are clean. It's around the hex nut
 
ok it will not fire on quick start so it's not fuel.

take one plug remove it

put the wire back on

ground the metal part of the plug somewhere so you can see it as you try to start it

can you see a spark?

highdesertranger
 
I had the same thing happen on a 2000. A friend of my sons dad is a mechanic stopped by & took a rubber mallet & beat the crap out of the bottom of the fuel tank & it started & ran great, never gave me anymore trouble. The brushes stick in the fuel pump & he knocked them loose. Said iit happens all the time & he works for a Dodge dealership.
 
Rust outside the shell isn't any concern... But a stuck plug can definitely be a pain in the a$$. Time for some PB Blaster, a bigger wrench, and a giant size friend to help turn it... Just be sure to use a 6 point socket on the plug. When you get the plug out, look closely at it to see if it was seated all the way. I suggest to inspect and chase the plug threads to clean up any carbon or corrosion.
 
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