City ordinances--what's their motive?

[MK7]

Yes and not only that I also suggest they should have fewer children, become a vegetarian, return his guns and get an ethical job.

the only truth here is that you live in a truck, wants the same privileges as homeowners and seems mad at those who can afford a house.

 

[flying kurbmaster]

the only truth here is that you live in a truck, wants the same privileges as homeowners and seems mad at those who can afford a house.

is that so, mk47, you are making a lot of assumptions, a bit like those people that look out their windows at parked cars, that is a great story about the truth, however, everything is not as it seems, let me enlighten you, nothing can be further from the truth, I do own a house, and can afford to buy another one if I choose, maybe two in the right city,I am not mad at anyone, I am spending a nice day eating xmas cakes, nibbles and hot drinks, after opening my presents,( I got a nice satchel apparently Brad Pitt has one like it, and a few other things,very happy with my day) I am looking out at my lush garden, nibbling on my plums that I picked this morning off one of my 28 fruit trees. I choose to live in a van part of the year because I like it, I am not mad at anyone not even you, I like you I think you add spark to this forum, have a nice xmas love and kisses

 

[MK7]

the only truth here is that you live in a truck, wants the same privileges as homeowners and seems mad at those who can afford a house.

is that so, mk47, you are making a lot of assumptions, a bit like those people that look out their windows at parked cars, that is a great story about the truth, however, everything is not as it seems, let me enlighten you, nothing can be further from the truth, I do own a house, and can afford to buy another one if I choose, maybe two in the right city,I am not mad at anyone, I am spending a nice day eating xmas cakes, nibbles and hot drinks, after opening my presents,( I got a nice satchel apparently Brad Pitt has one like it, and a few other things,very happy with my day) I am looking out at my lush garden, nibbling on my plums that I picked this morning off one of my 28 fruit trees. I choose to live in a van part of the year because I like it, I am not mad at anyone not even you, I like you I think you add spark to this forum, have a nice xmas love and kisses

Whew, that's a lot of typing trying to convince how well off you are and how great it is living in a truck. Merry Christmas.

 

[AltTransBikes]

Wait a minute, are we arguing about vandwelling on a vandwelling site?

I must of missed the exit.

 

[Lifemagician]

Phew! Did all that come out of a few lines I posted?

Just to clarify, Neighbourhood Watch - which I see they have in the US as well (albeit without the 'u') - has taught residents to be aware of their surroundings and take an interest in their neighbours. That alone has resulted in less crime. And yes, in the 34 years I lived in that house there were regular thefts from vehicles..... before NHW.

Lifey

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Some people pay more than their fair share and some pay far less than they should, but we all should pay in some manner. No free lunches.

Not to forget that many vandwellers are retired having paid taxes all their lives.

Lifey

 

[owl]

and not only that I also suggest they should have fewer children, become a vegetarian, return his guns and get an ethical job.

Got it all figured out for everyone don't you. Nice job, take a thread about city ordinances and make it about your views on how everyone else shoud live. Good luck with all that anger.

 

[idn88]

If a small area or group, like a HOA or block or something, wants to ban parking then I think that's there prerogative. However I think it is wrong and should not be allowed to tell other landowners what to do. For instance if Wal Mart is willing to let you park overnight, why should the local govt be able to say no. Its Walmart's lot. They pay the taxes on it. Ditto for someone that wants to let someone else park in their driveway.

The problem is the world is full of people living a miserable existence and want you all the be miserable also. The holly-er than though crowd.

 

[flying kurbmaster]

In an ideal world that would be true but they make laws to make you cut your grass, so parking an old bus in your yard can be irritating and some, people don't see the beauty in the curved windshield through the obstructing view, can't say that I blame them, that is why I think that city allocated lots with minimal services for vandwellers would go a long way in pleasing everyone instead of trying to keep up with the complaints.

 

[jeanontheroad]

Re bad apples, you can make all the excuses you want, but that's how it is. My grandfather used to allow hobos to camp in his woods for years. The hobos, themselves, made and enforced their own rules to keep their camps neat and to preserve their privileges. Then, came the wave of van dwelling hippies, who not only trashed the area and walked off with anything that wasn't nailed down, but seemed to think they had a right to do so. Grampa stopped allowing anyone to be there. Some here seem to think that Grampa should have spend his time driving around his land looking for trespassers, doing an analyses of who was who, running off the slobs, and then cleaning up after them. Why? In the same way, why is it supposed to be taxpayers' responsibility to provide you with free facilities or to pay for the extra cops needed to deal with the bad apples and the extra city workers to clean up after them?

If you want to be left alone, "go hobo." You are a community, whether you know it or not, and you will all be affected by how other members of your community act..

 

[MK7]

Phew! Did all that come out of a few lines I posted?

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Some people pay more than their fair share and some pay far less than they should, but we all should pay in some manner. No free lunches.

Not to forget that many vandwellers are retired having paid taxes all their lives.

Lifey

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There are plenty of retirees living in houses that have paid taxes all of their lives and are continuing to pay way more in taxes than vandwellers since they're still paying the yearly PROPERTY TAX as well as other taxes.

If the argument is about who's paying more taxes, then it's definitely the homeowners.

 

[signman]

Who costs our government more money, a growing family in a house raising their family, OR an older (or younger) couple who like to travel and see where their tax dollars ( already having invested a life time worth of tax dollars) are being spent ? It's a shame some of the tax's we have already invested can't go to helping some of our own demographic peer group !

 

[MK7]

If a small area or group, like a HOA or block or something, wants to ban parking then I think that's there prerogative. However I think it is wrong and should not be allowed to tell other landowners what to do. For instance if Wal Mart is willing to let you park overnight, why should the local govt be able to say no. Its Walmart's lot. They pay the taxes on it. Ditto for someone that wants to let someone else park in their driveway.

The problem is the world is full of people living a miserable existence and want you all the be miserable also. The holly-er than though crowd.

Probably because people don't want their neighborhood to turn into a ghetto. It won't happen overnight, but will, one night. Also, I think Walmart is just using such ordinances as a convenient excuse to shut down overnight parking on their lot. It became too well known that you can park at Walmarts and has since turned into a giant party. And there are many liability issues. Walmart allowing such parking is admitting negligence should something bad happens....like someone gets run over, raped, robbed, killed, etc. while overnight parking on their lot.

Many of the suburbs and lower income suburbs have ordinances against owning a car that's not tagged, registered and insured. You're not even allowed to keep it inside your garage. And this is not because the area is high income and so beautiful....it's usually a lower income area....and it's because lower income people will park tons of crap junkers all over the public streets, on their lawn, etc.

And many suburbs don't even allow you to park your tagged RV inside an enclosed garage, so certainly not in your driveway or in front of your house. Everyday I drive pass a house with a nice RV that's probably worth about $30,000 as it sits, so not some beat up $1,500 Craigslist special. The guy built a small platform for it, and it's parked right on his lawn. It's still a freakin' eyesore. Imagine if there's 1 in every 5 houses or whatever, with people living in them.

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Who costs our government more money, a growing family in a house raising their family, OR an older (or younger) couple who like to travel and see where their tax dollars ( already having invested a life time worth of tax dollars) are being spent ? It's a shame some of the tax's we have already invested can't go to helping some of our own demographic peer group !

Well what about the OLDER couple who've paid the same taxes that you've paid.....and are continuing to pay way more taxes on their property than you since they are still currently living in a home? Not every old couple wants to travel.

And it's usually the old people who calls the cops whenever there's a strange vehicle parked on their streets....not these younger people with growing families.

 

[signman]

I'm not saying everyone should vandwell, If you want to stay in a house, understand, you are costing more in gov't. services, so you should pay more. Simple logic. When I was a young couple in a house, livin' the American dream, raising 3 daughters, I would have called the police, in a heartbeat, if you were hanging near my daughters and my house, it's my job to protect them.

I'm wondering why y'all are surprised at seeing a vandwellers outlook on this subject, on a vandwellers forum?

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Well what about the OLDER couple who've paid the same taxes that you've paid.....and are continuing to pay way more taxes on their property than you since they are still currently living in a home? Not every old couple wants to travel.
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Having built many developments(neighborhoods) as a Land Surveyor, and developer/ investor, writing a number of restrictive covenants for developers and HOA's to record at their county offices, I have done my share of helping the tax base of a few communities. If you don't like HOA's, buy private land, If you don't like paying taxes, start a business that will provide you with tax incentives, like real estate investing / development. Believe me it's a lot of work,(stress) to save that money.

 

[Canine]

I'm not sure about the relevancy of who pays more taxes. I'm not sure that more frugal people should be treated differently than people who buy more stuff. :huh:

 

[flying kurbmaster]

I'm not sure about the relevancy of who pays more taxes. I'm not sure that more frugal people should be treated differently than people who buy more stuff. :huh:

I was hoping someone would finally mention that it seems that those that already have more then most still want more, perhaps the way things should work, once you have used up your quota of stuff, you get sent off the planet to explore other options, instead of annoying us in your old neighborhood.

 

[signman]

@ canine; Same viewpoint, sometimes it takes me way too many words to say what I want.

In my opinion; In the end it's our governments irresponsible use of our tax money that is a bigger problem.

 

[AltTransBikes]

Much of the comments and argument here certainly makes me glad that I never have nor ever will live in any kind of suburban setting.

 

[MK7]

I'm not sure about the relevancy of who pays more taxes. I'm not sure that more frugal people should be treated differently than people who buy more stuff. :huh:

Welcome to reality?

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I'm not sure about the relevancy of who pays more taxes. I

I was hoping someone would finally mention that it seems that those that already have more then most still want more, perhaps the way things should work, once you have used up your quota of stuff, you get sent off the planet to explore other options, instead of annoying us in your old neighborhood.

Homeowners not wanting POS trucks parked in front of their homes or all over their neighborhood with people living in them is not wanting something extravagant. The exhaust fumes must be entering your truck/home or something as most normal people would find this reasonable.

 

[Canine]

If reality is me being placed in a different caste because I contribute relatively less financially and use fewer services than most of society, then I reject reality and substitute my own.

 

[signman]

If reality is me being placed in a different caste because I contribute relatively less financially and use fewer services than most of society, then I reject reality and substitute my own.

Amen, Brother !!!