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As to problems with SxSs I hardly ever see any of them

How do you find places that aren't popular with them? I think that must only be places where they aren't legal... or places I wouldn't want to camp anyway.

Even with the greatly increased number of campers, I find those easy to avoid... but not the SxSs.
 
How do you find places that aren't popular with them? I think that must only be places where they aren't legal... or places I wouldn't want to camp anyway.

Even with the greatly increased number of campers, I find those easy to avoid... but not the SxSs.
Many areas are forbidden for UTVs and ATVs to operate in areas where street legal four wheel drive vehicles are in the Maze and Flint Trail areas of Glen Canyon Recreational Area and Canyonlands National Park, so there are areas but these areas are usually only accessible to off road capable true 4 wheel drive vehicles. Many national parks have limited UTV and ATV use. BLM lands with established roads and previously mined or lumbered areas are having roads closed to all vehicle traffic at an accelerated rate it seems causing congestion of a sorts to the ever growing number of off road vehicles in my opinion. With the new administration areas like “The Bears Ears Monument” will most likely be reduced in size along with many others that have natural resources as they were during Trump’s first term. So better get used to seeing all sorts of activity on federal lands.
 
How do you find places that aren't popular with them? I think that must only be places where they aren't legal... or places I wouldn't want to camp anyway.

Even with the greatly increased number of campers, I find those easy to avoid... but not the SxSs.
I just try to stick far away from hyped up places, places where there are more tourists and younger people, areas that had population influx. I dont want to camp near those anyway. Give very wide berth to "destination" types of places or known 4x4 meccas, stay far out of towns too. I go to less known places, regions where life is mostly old school and not many tourists, where regulations dont favor OHVs also. Cows are a different story...I wish there were more rules for those, cows not ohvs is what I usually see out there. Aslo have sort of a gut feeling by looking at the maps, where ohvs are going to be found, and watch out for campsite reviews mentioning them
 
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Another thing, in the cow country which is both on blm and nfs, there are often gated public roads, I find ohvs will often prefer nearby non gated routes to get to their favorite riding spots and I use this to my advantage
 
Alaska is one of the few remaining free places, no property tax in rural locations too (eElxcept in places where lower 48 crowds already moved in, there are regulations and taxes in those like some near coast).
Cold, mosquitoes and need a "real cabin". People just live in the roadless bush.
Cold, but the freedom...may be its not bad to give up the warmth for the sense of freedom and that some rodents from the "county" wont come a-evictin' or telling how to live.

Often think about that parcel of 20 or so acres I saw near Yosemite. Killer views of cascading mountains, no neighbors in sight, that lady over 90 years old had lived there in 2 small RV trailers, one was her kitchen. Outhose somewhere in the woods. And Yosemite right there. I was told that while she is grandfathered in, new buyers would never be allowed to live like this.
I would not want to live isolated in high wildfire risk area though.
Also, would not want to live in tornado zone.
Water is the biggest deal on the parcel to me, need relatively shallow well or water body. I had that beautiful land in Arkansas with a big pond on it ( but there was a well too). Couldnt deal with tornados, there F-4 possible.
 
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^There are places in the US that have a good year round climate where you can basically do as you like, and they are cheap. And you can get good water with a not ridiculous well depth... and no tornadoes and very little fire danger.

The whole country is subject to US federal land use and building codes, so technically it is illegal to not follow them. In practice some counties don't have any rules of their own on the books for rural land, and don't enforce or inspect.
 
^There are places in the US that have a good year round climate where you can basically do as you like, and they are cheap. And you can get good water with a not ridiculous well depth... and no tornadoes and very little fire danger.

The whole country is subject to US federal land use and building codes, so technically it is illegal to not follow them. In practice some counties don't have any rules of their own on the books for rural land, and don't enforce or inspect.
There are def no federal building codes regulations that apply country-wide to SFH.
Its a completely state based thing. Up to the state if to adopt one, feds have no authority here.
And then in many states its up to the county or township or city/town if to enforce codes (which theselves would l be state or township based)

I used to research entire country for years on this subject, and lived off grid in more than one state on own land, before I eventally decided to go nomadic again before I move overseas. Ticks and tornadoes got me.

There are places where you can live unmolested in whatever way in states with building codes but no county or township enforcement outside town proper. For now.
They might ask for septic or might say nothing at all or let one have a Lagoon (lol I had one in Missouri)
But nice weather year round and no enforcement ...I dont know of such places...
Alaska is only freedom one left, imho. In NM one technically needs a septic, uts the statewide reg but not enforced hard in some places
 
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There are def no federal building codes regulations that apply country-wide to SFH.
Its a completely state based thing. Up to the state if to adopt one, feds have no authority here.
And then in many states its up to the county or township or city/town if to enforce codes (which theselves would l be state or township based)

I used to research entire country for years on this subject, and lived off grid in more than one state on own land, before I eventally decided to go nomadic again before I move overseas. Ticks and tornadoes got me.

There are places where you can live unmolested in whatever way in states with building codes but no county or township enforcement outside town proper. For now.
They might ask for septic or might say nothing at all or let one have a Lagoon (lol I had one in Missouri)
But nice weather year round and no enforcement ...I dont know of such places...
Alaska is only freedom one left, imho. In NM one technically needs a septic, uts the statewide reg but not enforced hard in some places
You are right there are places where laws are not enforced but they are getting fewer. If the economy goes bad there will probably be less funding and even less enforcement but the laws are still there for what good or bad they do.
 
You are right there are places where laws are not enforced but they are getting fewer. If the economy goes bad there will probably be less funding and even less enforcement but the laws are still there for what good or bad they do.
Building codes are not laws, really. While septic regulations at least make sense I have no interest in meeting illegal and unconstitutional rules called building codes or some inspector telling me to have running water or flush toilet, what square footage to have or how to build things. The control over building and overall land usage is getting increased for sure and will probably get much worse. Alaska is historically more untied from that stuff because of remoteness and soil/weather too, also general mentality of people there and less population, so it will remain free for longer.
 
There's non of that unless maybe if you live in town. Are you afraid of everything?
There are people in this world that live on their own terms building or making what they need without wanting outside criticism on matters that should not affect directly anyone else besides themselves when they own the land they are building on. The way is was years ago. No one cared what was built or how it was done. Lots of people drank bad water because the well was dug to close to the barn or floods wiped them out lots of bad things happened but each individual was allowed to decide for themselves. Things got complicated when banks and mortgage companies can into the picture along with public utilities and eminent domain was used to “take” individual’s land for “public good”. We saw real fear when people started attacking FEMA representatives after being lied to thinking they would loose their property if they took the government’s help thanks to misinformation from local antigovernment activists. That was rural America not just towns. People who work and build their homes have a good reason to fear rules and regulations they do not understand or are not aware of.
 
There's non of that unless maybe if you live in town. Are you afraid of everything?
Yes, but I'm extra afraid of folks like you finding my motorhome and telling me to buy that ambulance clanker from you, thats why I keep driving for miles on that long dirt road and thats why I like unpopulated Alaska so much
 
There are people in this world that live on their own terms building or making what they need without wanting outside criticism on matters that should not affect directly anyone else besides themselves when they own the land they are building on. The way is was years ago. No one cared what was built or how it was done. Lots of people drank bad water because the well was dug to close to the barn or floods wiped them out lots of bad things happened but each individual was allowed to decide for themselves. Things got complicated when banks and mortgage companies can into the picture along with public utilities and eminent domain was used to “take” individual’s land for “public good”. We saw real fear when people started attacking FEMA representatives after being lied to thinking they would loose their property if they took the government’s help thanks to misinformation from local antigovernment activists. That was rural America not just towns. People who work and build their homes have a good reason to fear rules and regulations they do not understand or are not aware of.

Regarding these unconstitutional regulations and hurricane stuff, this vid popped up today on youtube, in NC they dont allow people who lost their homes in the disaster to put up tiny homes to stay in, forcing people to live in tents in cold weather, the "county" is doing it, unbelievable stuff. As to Fema they had an order not to help people who had republican signs up, no wonder there is no trust in fema in the Appalachia, but Appalachia has general long history of not trusting the feds, for other reasons, including dam projects taking eminent domain and the Prohibition era stuff. No such bs in unincorporated Alaska, there are all kinds of tiny homes with outhouses all over, you can build a tree nest and live in it, I know of someone who does

 
Where I had the cabin up north the only cabin in farther then mine was 8'x12' like in your YT but with a regular 2 pitch roof named the cracker.box. It worked great for 2 people. Had fold down bunk beds, with a table and 2 chairs & wood stove.
 
After having to hide 1 year to camp in WA and the insane scrutiny about homeless these days.
I bought 1/2 acre outside of Taos.
$3000 and I made last payment April 1st.
My main consideration was no county harassment for living in the Grand Caravan on the land. I didn't care about power and water or anything else lol. Plus I lived in Taos and worked in summer decades ago. So I knew the story.

Been off grid for 25 years... Hauling water is not a problem. I have 5-100 watt solar panels and no power issues.

Some NM counties and most of America are on people living on land with no facilities.... Some (Deming) have employees that drive around looking for people in RV or camped on their land in the winter... They state it openly

For me it came to... Far too many people these days living in vehicles looking for places to camp (in my VW bus days, it was not so) and far too many Govt rules.

Living in the van is great I have no complaints other than more space might be nice 😊... But in today's world I like knowing where home is and not having a never endless search for where to sleep.. Too much stress.
Yep, too many people camping and recreating in general.
And it will get worse.
Remote work will be the common standard in the future, plus, as more manual jobs get automated, there will be less location-tied jobs in general, so I expect many more people working out of scenic nature locations, and power setups will get more advanced and cheaper, plus satellite-to-cellular internet everywhere
I wish I had experienced earlier hippie van days...

Such a joy to have no one around for miles, even one rig far in sight in the desert destroys the feeling of wildness.
With own land you might see neighbors but you at least there you know who they are and what to expect and you have your boundaries. I stopped to wait out the storm on blm land/14 day limit this year, at least a mile from paved road in isolayed spot, 100 miles from a small city, for a couple of days: next thing was aggressive cop bothering me, demanding to state when I leave even though I just arrived, and it all nearly escalated. Found a couple of abandoned trashed camps there, thats what they are harassing people, used to be peaceful.

I've seen plenty of not only 40-70 acre but 10-15 acre parcels too where you couldnt see any neighbors, even though land around was privately owned and had some home on it.
 
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Just saw 40 acres sell for $10k with power and great mountain views in Nevada.
There got to be a caveat. Waterless desert land still tends to cost more in 40 acre parcels, and power adds to the value.
There often caveats like former dump or superfund stuff locations, neighbor or legal access issues, nearby mining plans. 40 desert acres with no power and on maintained road should sell for at least 20k, based on what Ive seen.
 
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