The Logistics of Living in A Walmart

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NOTE: This is part of a draft manuscript for a book I am working on. So I'd appreciate any comments, criticism, additions, suggestions, etc etc etc. At this point I'm not too worried about typos and such (and I apologize of my paragraphs are a bit off--this is a cut and paste from an MS Word document)--I'm more concerned with accuracy and completeness. So let me know if there are options I don't have listed, or if something isn't quite correct.

THE LOGISTICS OF LIVING IN A WALMART

For most van-travelers, finding a place to temporarily live is not a problem: they stay out in the countryside (known as “boondocking”) where they can be completely self-contained and isolated. Most federal and state lands allow campers to stay as long as two weeks before moving, and many van-campers make their way around the country by going from one such spot to another. It’s a great way to see lots of national and state parks and unspoiled natural areas.

While I do travel to these kinds of places, however, my primary interests are things like museums, zoos, and historical sites, and since these are in the cities, my van camping tends more to be of the “urban” variety. (And, I need steady access to wifi to do my job on the road.) Generally, I move from city to city to see the sights, which makes me something of a minority amongst van-campers, many of whom avoid cities as much as possible (perhaps only going into town every few weeks to stock up on supplies). My urban camping also means I can get away with a much more “minimalist” setup than could someone living fulltime in the rural boondocks, who needs to be much more self-reliant and have greater storage for food, water, and other things.

When it comes to finding a place to park for the night when you are traveling in a camper van, the first place most people think of are highway rest stops. These are found along most interstate highways: they have parking spots, vending machines for snack foods and drinks, restrooms, and places to walk the dog.

But, as odd as it may sound, in many states it is illegal to sleep in a vehicle at a highway rest stop, and overnight parking is prohibited. Many states that do not flat-out ban overnight parking will instead limit the length of time you can park at a rest stop—six hours seems to be a popular number.
The enforcement of these rules seems to vary a lot from state to state and even from place to place. I have often spent the night at a highway rest stop in states where it is prohibited or limited, and never had any problems. But it remains true that parking at a rest stop is only a short-term option, useful for spending a single night while traveling between cities but not good for long-term stays. And there’s a fair chance you will get rousted out by the cops.

There are a few other places that are often found along highways which allow RVs and campers to park overnight. These include Flying J and Love’s truck stops, and Cracker Barrel restaurants. Many 24-hour Home Depots, Lowes or Targets are also suitable for overnight parking. But when it comes to options for long-term urban camping, the place of choice for most van-dwellers is the local Walmart.

As a matter of corporate policy, Walmart allows overnight travel parking in its lots, and welcomes campers, truckers, and RVers. (Obviously you need a Walmart that is open 24 hours a day; you won’t be able to park in a Walmart that isn’t open all night.) The company knows that people with camper rigs have some disposable income, and that we will be running into the store all the time to spend money on things like water, food, paper towels, or whatever.

When you are living in a van in a Walmart parking lot, there are two basic situations that you will face: places where overnight parking in the lot is legal, or places where it is not. Each situation must be dealt with a bit differently. Where overnight parking is legal, things are pretty straightforward. I overnight at the outer edge of the lot, close enough to the “pack” that I’m not all alone by myself, but far enough away that nobody will bother me and probably nobody will notice me. Even where it is entirely legal and okay for me to park overnight, I try to be as inconspicuous and un-noticed as possible. Partly this is for security reasons—I do not want thieves or ruffians to notice the van, and in particular I do not want them to notice that it is sitting unattended for long periods of time.

Also, I try to remain un-noticed in order to keep Walmart happy—while the manager may not mind me overnight parking for a couple days, he may start to get a bit antsy if he notices that I have been living in his parking lot for the past few weeks (although, to be fair, I have also been spending money in his store for the past few weeks.)

So my normal routine is to park at the outer edge of the lot (I always try to park near a fast-food or hardware store or some other place that I can get a wifi signal), usually about 8 or 8:30pm. Once I’m in the van for the night, I don’t get out again until morning, and I try to control the noise and light so nobody notices that I am in there.

When I wake up the next day, I put a pot of water on the alcohol stove and do my morning shave while it heats up, then do my morning washing up, and dump the wastewater from the sink outside in the grass. If I need to do laundry, I do that as well.

Once my morning routine is finished, I move the van to a different part of the parking lot. As a security precaution, I try to use a different section of the lot each day, and park inside the “pack” so I look like just another shopper. Then I walk to the bus stop and catch the local bus to wherever it is I am going for the day. At night, when I get back, I move the van once more to the outer edge of the lot for the evening (again I always try to use a different spot each night).

In some cities, however, despite Walmart policy, you will not be able to park overnight due to city “no camping” or “no sleeping in vehicles” or “no overnight parking” ordinances that forbid it. This is usually an anti-homeless provision, which gives the cops an excuse to roust out homeless people who they don’t want around. The “no camping” ordinance also usually applies to sleeping inside a vehicle parked on the street as well. The policy seems to be concentrated in places where there are lots of homeless people and a popular attitude against them, such as California, Arizona, Colorado, and Florida.

It is possible in some of the cities with ordinances that, if you remain un-noticed, you may be able to slide by if you park overnight at a Walmart anyway. I have done this many times. Most managers don’t mind (or even notice) having overnight vans and won’t enforce the ordinance, as long as you are not a nuisance. But it is also possible that the store management or the local cops will view anyone sleeping in a van with suspicion (especially if they notice that you’ve been there a few days, or if you have out-of-state license tags), and will roust you out. If they really want to be pricks, they’ll impound your van and make you pay to get it back.

How do you know if a particular Walmart is in a city with a “no parking” ordinance? There are a couple of websites that list all the Walmarts with known issues. But the best way to be sure is to simply ask. Call the Walmart directly, ask to speak to the manager, tell him you are on a cross-country camper trip, and ask if overnight parking is permitted in the Walmart lot while you are passing through. If there is an ordinance against it, he’ll tell you. (Do not do this in person at the store—the store manager will certainly remember you, and you don’t want him to notice you if you are still living in his parking lot a couple weeks later.)

So, what do you do if you’ll be staying in a city with a “no camping” ordinance? First, understand fully that no matter what you do, you will be breaking the local ordinance, and are taking a legal risk. But the best option is called “stealth camping”.

Since I don’t drive the van around during the day, I will park in the Walmart lot each morning as usual (I’m just another ordinary shopper) and take the bus to wherever I am going. But as a stealth camper, at the end of the evening, instead of moving to the edge of the lot, you will then have to park on the street for the night. That means you will have to drive a short distance away from the Walmart and find some legal place to park, on a side street, and spend the night there. To do this successfully, you must be as inconspicuous and un-noticed as possible. (That means you will not be able to do this with many Class B campervans—in addition, some cities have ordinances against parking RVs or campers on the street.) You will want to park in front of a business that is closed for the night, rather than parking in front of a house (though apartment buildings are good to park at, since they always have visitors coming and going). You will want to simply park, sleep, and leave early in the morning—that means you will not be using a computer or cooking or anything else that makes light/noise and tells everyone outside that you are in there. As long as you are legally parked and you give no reason for anyone to suspect that you are inside, or that the van is anything other than an ordinary empty vehicle parked for the night, you will be OK. You will want to be up early in the morning before everyone else, and promptly move the van back to the Walmart lot, where you can then do all your morning routines.

The purpose of “stealth” isn’t to hide from the cops. The cops have better things to do with their time and probably won’t bother with you. And in any case they already know all the tricks, and will always be able to tell that you are living and sleeping in the van—they know what the solar panel on the roof and the condensation on the windows means. You simply can’t hide from them. The primary purpose of “stealth” is to avoid attracting attention from the ordinary public. If someone in the neighborhood happens to think you are suspicious and reports you to the coppers, then the police are obligated to respond and roust you out, even if they would not have done so on their own.

If the cops do show up at two in the morning tapping on your window, you are at their mercy. Kiss their ass, offer to leave, and hope for the best. But in several years of van-camping I have only ever been stopped from parking for the night two times.

To be completely safe and legal in areas where overnight parking at Walmart is not allowed, you will have to pay to spend the night in campgrounds, RV parks, or motels. Many van campers simply avoid the whole problem by not staying in cities where overnight parking is illegal.

I usually stay in a Walmart lot long enough to see all the local sites, before moving on to another city. In many cities I’ll stay about two weeks: in larger cities with more things to see, I might stay three or four weeks, often spending just a couple weeks at any one Walmart before moving to another one in the area.
 
My city has three WM locations, only one is 24 hour.  All allow overnight and extended parking, and have security patrols to keep an eye on things.

One member here recieved permission to stay 7 days so he could finish outfiting and repairing his rig.  This was from the head manager.  On day 6, one assistant manager waited until they went to do laundry, and had their rig towed.  Corperate appologised and gave them the $250 towing fee back in cash.   Between the big rigs, RV's, and various travelers, WM enjoys thousands in sales every day, just from allowing overnight parking.
 
GotSmart said:
My city has three WM locations, only one is 24 hour.  All allow overnight and extended parking, and have security patrols to keep an eye on things.


Yeh, I overnighted at a Walmart in San Antonio TX that wasn't 24 hours---we had a little area at the end of the lot that was "ours". But most non-24 hour Marts are "no parking".

I'll rewrite that to clarify.  Thanks.  :)
 
Question:

Why would you prefer to take a bus to see the sights as opposed to driving the van to see them?

Seems easier, not to mention safer, to take your vehicle with you when sightseeing.

A lot can happen to your van if you are away for many hours.
 
Makes sense.

Park the mother-ship in orbit and take the shuttlecraft to the interesting planets.

Cool.

I think I would get some kind of cellular alarm system....but thats me.
 
tx2sturgis said:
I think I would get some kind of cellular alarm system....but thats me.


It's just not something I worry about. There's nothing in the van worth stealing anyway (the only valuables I have are my laptop and my camera, and those are always with me in my backpack). I often leave the van doors unlocked during the day, so any potential thief can poke his head inside (without needing to break the windows) and see for himself that there's nothing in there for him, unless he wants my sleeping bag or my little hand-cranked washing machine. Of course they can steal the van itself, but I don't see any difference between stealing it in the Walmart parking lot or stealing it in the zoo parking lot. If they REALLY want my van, they'll get it, and there's nothing I can do about it in either place. That's what "insurance" is for. (shrug)
 
I wish you wouldn't use the term living in your vehicle especially when talking about BLM and Forest Service land. it is expressly forbidden to live on BLM and FS land. highdesertranger
 
"Camping"?  "Dwelling"? "Hanging around for a long time"?

;)
 
Camping is allowed by the agents that rule.   ;)

After yeats if studying te commuicated languages, semantics mater (as well as body language)
 
Looks pretty good to me but we have not encountered any 24 Home Depot or Lowes stores - not sure about Target. Most of the time there's a night stocking crew so cars are in the lot 24 hours a day and it's fine to park overnight.
 
GotSmart said:
Camping is allowed by the agents that rule.   ;)

After yeats if studying te commuicated languages, semantics mater (as well as body language)

Sorry folks, That is the reason I am unable to go back on the road.   :(  Brain Farts.  

After years of studying the communicated languages, semantics do matter (as well as body language)
 
I thought he did a good job of addressing "stealth" parking and where to camp/sleep. 

I too don't know of any 24 hour Lowes or Home Depot stores. I have seen 24 hour Safeway stores though.

Most Walmart's in "touristy" areas ban the overnight camping. He addressed some of the places, just think "nice weather and close to popular tourist attractions" and you'll likely be correct. Look for posted signs, or simply the absence of rv's and dwellers...

Another source of overnighting is states that have casinos, yet again, some are strict, some are not.

Churches seem to be a good place due to large parking lots but I've almost never seen a vehicle there, likely because they are too noticeable. Sane with hospitals, they usually have security.

Oh, as far as LEO's (law enforcement officers), read up on "rights" and then decide if you are going to be talkative or just ask them if it is ok to leave. The main thing is don't lie to them, you are easily found out and can get into big trouble. If the vehicle is daily transportation and it gets impounded then it is a hassle but survivable. IF you "reside" permanently in your vehicle and it gets impounded you are in a lot of trouble!

Overall a good "read".
 

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