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I'm just curious about this.  Reading my book "A Hippies Guide To Y2K" started me thinking about EMP.   I also wonder if there is a way to protect vehicles with all this computer s**t on them.  I know/think  my 1991 Ranger has chips/sensors and I've been lucky with no problems so far.  I have seen postings where others haven't been so lucky.  Short of replacing my engine is there a way to bypass or delete these chips/sensors?

Jewellann
 
If your rig was attached to the grid via a battery charger, when the EMP happened, the chances are very high that the electronic chips in it would be damaged. 

The odds that EMP would actually damage the computer chips in a vehicle that is not connected to the grid is much much lower.   An EMP would induce a huge power spike in the electric power grid because of the enormous number of miles of power transmission lines for the electromagnetic wave of the EMP to cross.  Since vehicles are not hundreds of thousands of miles long, EMP is a whole lot less of an issue.
 
highdesertranger said:
cover the whole vehicle with sheet lead.  lol.  highdesertranger

I suggest that anyone who does that to also wear a tinfoil hat...
 
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An EM wave strong enough to kill a car would be pretty massive .
Probably created by a huge solar flare or a nuclear blast of considerable size fairly close by.
Either way a vehicle probably would be of little use.

On further thought I guess you could park in a cave , just in case..........


Tin Foil Hats "FOIL" Mind Control
Skuh kuh kuh kuh kuh
 
i have or had some books on this! some us gov't ones on the tempest program and also some articles on ham radio on making the radios safe from the arrl. both from the cold war, i dont remember a lot about what they said but yes radios that were not hooked to the antenna had to be protected too. you can calculate your protection needed on blast yield and distance or flare size. some of those books might be in the library or public domain by now.
 
Thank you so much for your sincere reply's.   The rest of youse...stick it in you tinfoil hats  :D 

Jewellann
 
EMP survivability is like lightning survivability; too many variables to say for an individual event.  All EMP events are not created equal, nor is the response of electronics, nor is the protection provided by the car body.  The US military has done a lot of studies on this.

To be 100% sure of survival, any electronics must be completely enclosed in a faraday cage with no conductive path in or out.  Makes it difficult and costly to do and be useful.  I have a hardcore prepper friend that has a second set of auto electronics stored in a faraday cage.

 -- Spiff
 
Yep, best bet is spare electronics in the Faraday Cage. But, you need the spare computer programmed for your car. A spare from the salvage yard is likely useless, without being programmed. Don't forget a spare electronic keyfob.
Your alternator also has diodes. Don't forget it. And that is true of pre-electronic cars.
 
Experimental Researches in Electricity by Michael Faraday , one of my tron "Yoda's"
A public domain book now, It's probably found on a free book download site . Amazon or Project Gutenburg , etc .
Lead not required HDR , but you have the right idea.

That's about as serious as I can get...........
 
Queenie wants to know what a Faraday Cage is..............me too. :huh:

Jewellann
 
Thanks for posting the link Spiff , that saves ma a LOT of typing !

(In your question's case it would keep the car trons from "frying" ....Queenie , you can stop reading right here .)
Now for those with inquiring minds , I'll mention a real world case of why I pay homage to Tron Yodas like Faraday and Nicola Tesla.

In my world of pro audio I was often confronted with "noise" .
I know , DUH right?

A big problem for all the sensitive very low voltage devices on a typical stage , for example guitar pickups and controls or keyboard output jacks , and their unbalanced cables (I'll get to that later).

They often would have various hums from the SCR dimmers in the ever present light shows or even receive radio stations or taxi radio / CB etc. which were often much stronger than the "good" very weak signal from the instrument and add them to the instrument's signal . Which would then go into the sound system and be amplified along with everything else.....NOT a good thing.
(And yes , it was always MY fault !)

THIS is where Mr. Faraday came to the rescue ! Sure glad I decided to study his works back in tron school.... I would take a very fine copper screen or sometimes foil and build a Faraday Cage (picture a mad scientist with lots of solder and smoke here) around all the sensitive (unshielded) bits in those instruments and then connect it to the cable ground. Ta Daaaahh . noise gone !
We also had another trick called balanced cables which had 2 hot lines , 1 in phase and 1 180* out of phase that when combined cancelled any crap that was the same on both , (the previously mentioned hums etc.) that helped with this but those were mostly used on microphones and the system wiring.

So , if you're ever at a concert and everything is clear and noise free remember Faraday and maybe even go tell the guy or girl that is in front of that big thing with all the knobs and lights "Hey , good job ! It sounds great !" cuz they don't hear that enough , if ever.
 
LeeRevell said:
Yep, best bet is spare electronics in the Faraday Cage. But, you need the spare computer programmed for your car. A spare from the salvage yard is likely useless, without being programmed. Don't forget a spare electronic keyfob.
Your alternator also has diodes. Don't forget it. And that is true of pre-electronic cars.

During the nuclear tests of the 40s / 50s, it was common for the (non computerized, of course) cars of the erea to be used for folks to duck behind during the actual blast
Then the vehicles were driven away, no repair needed
Hmmmmm
Also, not all computers need to be flashed ob installation, the ones that used chips, you just change the chip,
 
LeeRevell said:
Yep, best bet is spare electronics in the Faraday Cage.  But, you need the spare computer programmed for your car.  A spare from the salvage yard is likely useless, without being programmed.  Don't forget a spare electronic keyfob.
Your alternator also has diodes.  Don't forget it.  And that is true of pre-electronic cars.

You need to store electronics that are plug and play.  If they need programming you best program them before storage.

For newer vehicles the list of items that need protection gets very long (and expensive).

 -- Spiff
 
My dad was a Physicist, and we had couple of long talks about this before he passed. In truth, no one knows exactly how badly an EMP event over North America would hurt our electronic infrastructure. My own educated guess is it would be devastating, in ways we may not even suspect.

The 1962 Starfish Prime airburst was over the Pacific, 900 miles from Hawaii. Nonetheless, Hawaii was hit pretty hard. In Oahu, hundreds of street lights failed, TV's and radios were screwed up, alarms were triggered and several power lines were fused together. 3 LEO (low earth orbit) satellites were instantly destroyed, and the resulting band of radiation eventually killed or disabled 1/3 of the LEO satellites that were exposed to it.

This was a BIG deal in the scientific community at the time. That year, my dad had taken a sabbatical from teaching at CU and was a senior staff scientist at Ball, working on a contract to build 3 of the first 10 satellites America ever put in space. Many Physicists were saying at the time that if we had conducted that airburst over the Nevada test site (where many bombs were tested!) we would have wiped out the electrical infrastructure of the Western United States and probably destroyed our economy!

Keep in mind that all this happened at a time when the transistor was a novelty and the integrated circuit was not yet in use.

The Soviet Union conducted sub-orbital nuclear tests of their own at about the same time (way out over the 'stans) and they had similar experiences with power lines conducting the pulse hundreds of miles back from the test site and starting fires in power plants at the other end of the line.

Long story short, we scared the sh*t out of ourselves and each other.

There are several concerns. 1) The magnetic field over North America is stronger than the field over the Pacific, which would magnify the pulse. 2) Millions of transistors are printed closer and closer together in each new generation of integrated circuit, making them more and more vulnerable. 3) Computers/integrated circuits are everywhere, used to control virtually everything. 4) EMP effects have been simulated in testing, but due to budget constraints they stopped increasing the intensity of the pulse without finding out at what point widespread destruction occurs in various kind of electronic equipment, and 5) The US government is complacent as hell about EMP for civilian infrastructure, but serious a hell about it for their own purposes.

I find number 5 to be the most ominous of all.

Also (and this is only peripherally related to EMP) I was dismayed to learn that the US has fallen far behind other countries in sheltering our population in a conventional nuclear war. Russia is said to be able to shelter 40% of their civilians. Switzerland can shelter 100%! America can shelter only a portion of the elites, who look at the rest of us as if we were aphids.

This is one of several reasons why I have a strong preference for the old mechanically injected Cummins diesel engine, although durability, simplicity and fuel efficiency rank higher.

While we're on the topic, I'd lose the tinfoil hat right away. Copper is a much better conductor!
 
There are various theories I've seen put forward that ground-level thermonuclear/neutron bomb deployment may make more sense in a nuclear war scenario than air burst EMP - kill the organisms, leave the infrastructure intact allowing the new occupants to fall in on the existing wealth of a nation. Solar EMP events are something to ponder, a large coronal mass ejection event could be extinction level or could just put us in the dark ages.

Good post C.D.
 

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