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What is the best cheap solar cell phone charger? One that is readily available at like REI, Target or similar store? I will look into more power as I save money. But right now I need to find something for my phone. 

Thanks
 
why not just use a car charger? if you are just charging a cell phone your regular car battery won't even notice. highdesertranger
 
It's a '99 Ford F150, don't know if the outlet even works. Looks kinda rough
 
I think it might also be useful to try calculate how much energy needs to be collected, in order to charge a cellphone. 

And how many times do you usually charge your cell phone?
And how low does in go on the % before you recharge it?

Ether way, the battery capacity of a cellphone it typically around 3000 to 4000mAh or in other words 3-4Ah. And the battery has a nominal voltage of 3.6V, but to maximize lets say 4.2V

Or in other words 4Ah x 4.2W = 16.8Wh
How small of a solar panel could do this? And how many hours would that take? 


And how fast is it actually possible to push energy into the cellphone? 
Most modern cellphones can at a minimum pass 1.5A into the battery at any given time?
And this typically has to be done at 5V, via USB. 


So it is possible to transfer 1.5A x 5V = 7.5W at a time into a cellphone. 

For simplicity sake (ignoring that the voltage is internally converted to 4.2V and that the convertion has a loss), lets say that 16.8W is transferred 7.5W at a time, causing it to take 16.8 / 7.5 = 2.24 hours (or there about) to fully charge a cell phone (from 1% to 100%).


What size solar panel is needed, to ensure that 7.5W is collected at any time? 
Well, that depends on how much the sun is shining. That day (and those two hours). 

But a 5-30W solar panel (at 12V out) would be a useful size. 

Or a 20-40W panel, with a USB plug, could also be used


But because all of these solar panels only work at their nominal Watt specifications, when there is clear sun, none of them could guarantee that your cellphone gets charged, when ever you need it to be charged. 



All in all, it makes sense to add a battery (like a USB power bank/battery pack) to the solar panel.


And to make sure that you can charge your cell phone if there are 4 days without sun, then your USB power bank should be 3-10 times bigger than you cellphone capacity, depending on how many times your cell phone needs to be charged in a day.  so in the range of 12.000 to 40.000mAh. 



This again means, that you are much better off if your 12V car adapter plug is working. 


And if you are not driving your car for 4 days,  and still carge your phone from 10% to 100% charge every day, then you might consider charging your car battery with some kind and some size of solar panel. 
Or you could turn on your engine for some 5-20 minutes each day


If you get one of those car adapter USB plugs, that also has a voltage meter built in, then you can use it to monitor the voltage on your car battery. 

And you can turn on your engine whenever the voltage indicator says there is a low voltage on your battery. 
Low voltage could mean anywhere from below 12.4 to 11.8V, but you will quickly discover what is typical for your car, when the engine is turned off. 

If your car battery is in good condition, then the voltage should be well above 12V, when the engine is turned off. 
If it is consistently under 12V, when the ingine is turned off, then you car battery is showing signs of age and wear and tear, or your drives are too short to fully charge your car battery, and it will age faster. 

When your engine is turned on, the car adapter voltage meter will always be high (towards 14V or slightly more), because it will not show the voltage of the battery, but rather a combined voltage of the alternator and the car battery. 


I hope this gave you some useful info. 


Or did you hope for links to solar-cell-phone-charger usb-battery-pack combinations  that people have tested out, and found useful?
 
Thank you all! I talked to someone at a nearby Verizon store who said he'd try a charger plug in the 12v socket before he sold it to me, to make sure it's working. That does sound like the most practical solution. 

It would be useful to know what solar chargers you all recommend (and what to avoid) ... I like having back-ups
 
CatCaretaker said:
It would be useful to know what solar chargers you all recommend (and what to avoid) ... I like having back-ups

You might want to take a look at these videos.

This guy does a rather deep technical test of several types of small and/or  foldable solar panels, but I think he is still understandable for non-technical people. 


And here he looks at USB power banks with built-in  solar panels


And here he tests some battery only power banks



Did you get wiser any from watching these videos? 
Did the they make sense, even though he is a bit of a tech nerd? 

What was you main take-away from these videos? 
Was it to use as big of a fordable solar panel as you find to be practical?
 
Charge small devices like this direct from your vehicle 12V.

When away from the vehicle, charge them using a small "jumpstarter powerpack", bigger ones can even power a laptop for quite a few hours, a phone for many days. These can then be recharged from the vehicle battery, keep them topped up and they'll also be useful for jumpstarting, emergency light etc.

Here's an example https://mobiledistributorsupply.com...jump-starter-and-power-bank-18000mah-oem.html much cheaper smaller ones are more common.


None of this has anything to do with solar, which is inconvenient to carry around, depends on time of day and the weather, and of course will take a long time to recharge compared to above.

Now, if you're sitting out boondocking for many days without driving, you may want to consider a full-fledged solar setup, but that's not implied by the OP.
 
CatCaretaker said:
It would be useful to know what solar chargers you all recommend (and what to avoid) ... I like having back-ups

Hi CatCaretaker, yesterday, in this post,  I suggested looking at some youtube videos where  mjlorton had done some (rather detailed and technical) tests of cellphone solar charger options. 

Allow me to very briefly summarize and generalize, so you might better know what level of solution you get if you choose between three general kinds of cell phone solar chargers. Okay? 


First there are these power banks, with built in solar cells. 
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As solar cells can only collect a rather specific amount of energy from the sun per square inch (or square foot/meter), these size solar cells will take many days to collect enough energy to do a full cellphone charge. 

So this kind of solar power can supplement the energy in the power bank, and if you were out in an emergency, and both the battery on you cell phone and the powerbank had been drained, then this size solar cell might be able to collect enough energy (in some hours) that you could make that one emergency call that got you help. 

But to think of this size of solar cell as a daily collector of energy to be able to run your cell phone every day, is simply NOT going to happen. 


Level two 
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These kinds of power banks would be faster to collect enough energy for that one important call, when all other battery power had been exhausted, but it will still NOT keep your cell phone charged on a daily basis.  

The amount of energy this kind of solar panels can collect is about three times as much as those where there is only one panel. Because the surface size of a solar panel is basically what matters, as current technologies of solar panels are fairly much the same, and mainly bigger surfaces are needed to collect the same amount of energy, but do so faster. 



Level three
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Foldable solar panels, simply add to the surface area of the solar panel, and more surface is almost directly proportional with increased ability to collect energy from the sun.  

And only when you get to these sizes of solar panels do you come close to being able to collect enough power that you can do a daily full charge of your cell phone. 

You still need good sun for several hours in a day, to do one full charge of you cellphone. 

These foldable solar panels typically are able to collect a maximum of around 15W of energy, and as mentioned previously in this thread 15-17W is what is typically needed in order to charge a cell phone from a 1% to a 100%  charge. 


Will these foldable solar panels then be able to do a complete charge of my cell phone in one hour? 
No, hardly ever, as it requires a "perfect sun hour" to be able to do so, and most of the time, in most places of this earth, a perfect sun hour is not common. 

Will these foldable solar panels then be able to do a complete charge of my cell phone in one day? 
Yes, in many places, and many situations it will. But it still depends on getting that one-full-hour equivalent of a "perfect sun hour". 
So during winter, or storms, or in certain places where overcast is the norm, these foldable solar panels will still need more than one day to collect enough sun to do one full charge of a cell phone. 


So there you have it.  The minimum 3 level options to solar charging of a cell phone. 


And this post only covers solar panel ability.  Power bank options (and solar panel options), to be able to do fast charging of cellphones, is another topic, for another post. Okay? 



Will you be interested to also look into levels 4-6 of options of how to keep your cellphone going for, like, 4-6  days? 

John61CT has already mentioned (in this thread) some options that belong in the level 4-6 options of how to keep your cell phone charged for several days with only limited access to charging options.
 

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You could use a USB lithium battery bank, and charge it with a small solar panel (that outputs USB power) and a cigarette lighter USB charger. That way you can charge your phone easily while your vehicle is not running.
 

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