RV Associations Applaud New Ruling from HUD

[ByeBye]

Somebody more invested than me will have to interpret this 

http://www.rvbusiness.com/2018/11/r...uxC-LgMStyaS3Nw7vy6v7QXLFE5HNbrbZ4zhqKatuLGkQ

 

[bullfrog]

More rules and regulations to deal with previous rules and regulations which will eventually mean finding someone to train to enforce them that won't be able to without a court rulling eventually telling someone they used to be doing something wrong but now it's okay especially since the enforcement officer retired and there is not enough money to replace them or change the forms that used to be used to notify them they were doing something wrong. Be a lot easier if you stay remote enough to not have someone trying to tell you what they think you need to do, which is getting hard to do.

 

[Steakchaser]

Wow! Your good at this!!


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[Steakchaser]

I read the article as... don’t start making RV manufactures hold the standards of manufactured home because they are certified as only temporary homes. Also don’t start calling RVs manufactured home because they aren’t certified to build or sell them. Also RV parks aren’t licensed to rent to anyone but, RVs, not manufactured homes. I think that’s kinda the gist of it


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[QinReno]

I read the article as... don’t start making RV manufactures hold the standards of manufactured home because they are certified as only temporary homes. 

Yeah, there are 2 types of parks, so-called "trailer parks" and then RV parks. Trailer parks are mainly for "mobile homes", now typically called manufactured homes. Those commonly have axles and wheels on them, but typically are only moved once to a trailer park, the wheels removed, and then they sit there for the next few decades. Those "homes" are apparently regulated by HUD anymore, as they are meant to be permanent dwellings. 

OTOH, manufactured RVs as we think of them, are also called "motor homes", have the wheels attached, and are typically moving around most of the time. Those are what we see in RV parks. The people who manufacture those obviously didn't want them regulated by HUD. 

I wonder if there is any regulation at all on RVs, other than for being a road-worthy vehicle? If you roll a Class-A or Class-C RV or TT, it will likely collapse like a pancake.

 

[ByeBye]

"Be a lot easier if you stay remote enough to not have someone trying to tell you what they think you need to do, which is getting hard to do."

And this, it the crux of my rig plan. If I can't do that it won't because my rig isn't setup for it. Remote is the key for thriving for me.

 

[John61CT]

Other than basic road safety DOT stuff, RV industry is "self regulated" by mfg associations.

 

[Pleasant Travels]

But I also read this to mean that if you converted your "RV" yourself, (be it a bus, cargo trailer or box truck) you can't possibly be certified to the RV standards, therefor the insurance companies for these parks will require you to be excluded, and you will soon be unable to use any RV park in the near future.

 

[John61CT]

IMO no, it is saying certified RVs are **not** subject to the local & HUD regs that apply to mfg housing.

There is no mention of expanding the applicability of those regs.

 

[maki2]

You are all missing the critical factor. Nothing has really changed as far as designations about RV and manufactured homes, the difference has been clear all along.

What they are really up with the new regulation is shutting out the uncertified tiny homes which are being built by their owners. If you have not been following the Tiny Home regulation battle situation then you can't read between the lines of the new regulations. This is territorial protection as in ....not in my back yard you don't...

 

[mayble]

It also confirms that RVs are not dwellings, and therefore those living in RVs are "homeless" by definition.
This can have tremendous impact for anyone with children, or for anyone who is considered disabled or vulnerable. Family members or state officials could use the fact that one is homeless to take custody of their children or force a "vulnerable" adult into housing.

 

[WanderingRose]

Mmm, there’d have to be some other factors present besides living in an RV for children to be removed from their parents by the state.

There are lots of families traveling the country in RV’s, homeschooling the children and having a wonderful adventure.

 

[highdesertranger]

hahahahahaha RV Standards hahahahahahahaha. highdesertranger

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

You are all missing the critical factor. Nothing has really changed as far as designations about RV and manufactured homes, the difference has been clear all along.

What they are really up with the new regulation is shutting out the uncertified tiny homes which are being built by their owners . . .

From the published rule:

This rulemaking revises the exemption for the manufacture of recreational vehicles to clarify which recreational vehicles qualify for an exemption from HUD's Manufactured Home Construction and Safety Standards and Manufactured Home Procedural and Enforcement regulations. (my highlight)

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I'm not a lawyer, so this is just my amateur reading of the article (I didn't read the whole ruling):[/font]

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The ruling is intended to clear up some ambiguity as to what constitutes an RV as it applies to building standards.  This was requested by RV manufacturers.[/font]

from HUD response to comments on tiny homes from the rule:

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font] . . . it is neither HUD's intention nor goal with this rule to regulate temporary, recreational structures in the form of RVs. At the same time, HUD is cognizant of the increased popularity of so-called “tiny homes,” many of which are purported to be built to the ANSI A119.5 Park Model Recreational Vehicle standard. HUD believes that consumers should be fully aware of the construction standard used to build a particular product at the time of purchase. If a tiny home is a “manufactured home” as defined by statute, then it can be regulated as manufactured housing . . .

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The way lawyers can get creative in applying standards in ways not envisioned by regulators, who knows where this will go.  It's all idle speculation.  YMMV[/font]

 

[rvwandering]

I have deleted some of the posts that drifted off topic into homelessness. Please stay on topic. Thanks!