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cinemaphonic

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So I spent my first few hours in my van. I had by Mr. Heater going on low. After coming back in the house I feel a little light-headed, and have a slight headache. So I guess this mean I need to ventilate better. Any advice? I do not have a roof vent. My van isn't well sealed so I figure there would be enough airflow, also I cut some slits in the reflectix over my windows to let even more air exchange happen.

Thanks guys.
 
Unity Gain said:
Get yourself a CO detector ASAP. Your health is worth it!

Yep, that's my next walmart purchase. I was just surprised because I could definitely feel cold air coming from various spots in the van so I thought there would be enough ventilation.

Also my interior windows frosted up quite a bit. I'm in Milwaukee and we're at 12 F right now. Guess I'll be starting my battle with that soon as well.
 
The best thing to do is consult the manual of your propane heater and see what the minimum ventilation requirements are. If you dont have a hard copy manual you can likely find one online. Personally, I dont think I'd run a propane heater without a CO detector.

Best of luck!
 
I have recently noticed that the buddy heater on low has a bluish color to the flame on the burner so it may not be true catalytic heat on low. I now use my buddy on high, the color on high is bright orange like it should be. Also invest in cold weather sleeping bag rated for 0 f and comforter, the comforter can be pulled over your head to keep warm. You would be surprised how warm and comfortable you will be. I like to use the buddy heater to warm up van or trailer so I can get out of bed and get dressed.
 
Spirituallifetime said:
I have recently noticed that the buddy heater on low has a bluish color to the flame on the burner so it may not be true catalytic heat on low. I now use my buddy on high, the color on high is bright orange like it should be. Also invest in cold weather sleeping bag rated for 0 f and comforter, the comforter can be pulled over your head to keep warm. You would be surprised how warm and comfortable you will be. I like to use the buddy heater to warm up van or trailer so I can get out of bed and get dressed.

Ahhh, ok. I think you may be right. Mine is definitely blue on low. that is unfortunate as I'd like to be able to conserve fuel. Any idea of the Little Buddy has the same blue flame issue?


So what do you guys do to ensure stealth while also ventilating for your heaters? Starting to look I'll need a roof vent. Do you get light leaks with Fantastic vents?
 
I haven't used a little buddy yet so I'm not sure how they work. Using the buddy to warm up for half hour at a time to get dressed and just warm up doesn't seem to use a lot of propane. Since I work I don't have it on a lot.
 
Spirituallifetime said:
I haven't used a little buddy yet so I'm not sure how they work. Using the buddy to warm up for half hour at a time to get dressed and just warm up doesn't seem to use a lot of propane. Since I work I don't have it on a lot.

I plan on working from my van quite a bit. I'm a video editor. I think I just need to get out of this 12F Milwaukee weather.
 
Definitely get a CO detector. If you don't have rain guards for the windows get some. You can have the windows open a few inches without having rain come inside, and nobody will notice them open. If you can afford one then definitely get a roof vent. If installed properly there will be no leaks.
 
What i do is put the heater on high for a few minutes to get it red, then scale back until i find the min necessary to keep it from sputtering or going all blue. When you get down in the teens though, just gonna have to resign to running it between the high and low. Its very cold at the floor level so it needs more juice to stay hot.

I had a rusty hole filled van too, and the thought the same thing as you. I could actually feel a 'breeze' down there most times, but my digital co detector told me it wasn't enough. You need to crack each window an inch or one window 2 inches if you dont have a roof vent (with a roof vent in the back near the heater, i think you can squeeze by with one inch). Get the little rain guard things over the windows if you can, they are awesome. My current van doesnt have a roof vent in yet, so i use a 2 inch gap on the passenger side, and will occasionally crack a rear window to regulate temps.

Here is me testing CO in that van with the roof vent and rusty holes :)



Oh yeah, on my buddy heater there is this little metal pin thingy, i dont know the word for it. Usually youll notice it glowing like a hot coal in the pilot light when you need to do this. Clean that off with a q tip when its cooled off, black crud will come off. This seems to help a little as well.

If you use a 20lb tank with the hose and filter, sometimes the filter will freeze up on me (it collects water/oils/etc that would go into heater) and it makes it go blue/sputter or gutter out sometimes, as i think the propane is slowly being chocked off. If its real bad the heater wont stay lit more than a fee minutes, i switch to my emergency 1lb bottles or swap a warm filter in.
 
I have the Mr Heater Buddy, one tiled version. The instruction manual states to turn it on initially to high, then back down to low. The tile turns orange on high and when you turn it to low, it stays orange. And that is what it does.

If you turn it on low initially, it takes a few seconds (literally seconds) longer to turn from blue to orange. But it does get there. If your heater tile stays blue, something is wrong. Check the manual for troubleshooting.

Best wishes.
 
Oh, my post above is for the 4000-9000 btu buddy (the midsize one)
 
ok let's see dizziness + headache = CO poisoning or lack of oxygen. either way no good. get a CO monitor and a canary. just kidding about the canary. I wish someone made a low cost oxygen meter. highdesertranger
 
The problem with oxygen meters or detectors is the sensing element has to be replaced every year. The Buddy heaters use the temperature of the pilot flame to test oxygen.
 
I have a Buddy heater too. The instructions say turn it on high first and then low. I thought they had a 'Low Oxygen Sensor'?
 
Sameer said:
I have a Buddy heater too. The instructions say turn it on high first and then low. I thought they had a 'Low Oxygen Sensor'?

I thought so too. Just checked amaon listing and that's what it says:

http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-F23...8&qid=1416597861&sr=8-1&keywords=buddy+heater

this is the model I have. I got a CO detector and ran buddy on high for a while and did not get a warning, so I don't know, Maybe I just got a headache from the artifical heat in such a closed space?
 
I have the exact same heater,cinemaphonic. My van has a high top with a roof vent that I never close. It would be interesting for someone who knows this kind of information to tell us how it burns oxygen. What I am saying is, does the oxygen deplete from top to bottom (roof to floor?) also I assume there are some kind of fumes. I am running it now and stuck my nose above it and to me it was just hot air, of course it is catalytic and only burns oxygen, but some people are sensitive to odors. The smell of roofing tar will give me a pounding headache and a few other odors. I love my heater and hate the cold and would really like to know the dynamic of how it actually works in more detail. A roof vent might solve your issue.
 
If you look at the Mister Buddy parts list you will see the pilot flame is the low oxygen sensor. Not enough oxygen the pilot burns colder or goes out shutting off the gas flow. Having that is better than nothing, I guess. An oxygen meter uses a cartridge that reacts with oxygen and gradually depletes itself. Must be replaced yearly if used or not.
With any flame burning the oxygen is deleted uniformly from through out the room air. The hydrocarbon of propane produces water and carbon Di-oxide (CO2). If insufficient oxygen, then carbon Mon-oxide (CO) is produced. Again uniformly dispersed through the room air. As these fuels are not pure hydrocarbon gasses, other compounds are there in your air. it doesn't matter if it is catalytic, hot ceramic, or open flame, if not enough oxygen then CO is formed. CO is an accumulative poison. It builds up in your blood reacting with the hemoglobin.
 
Sameer,

Short answer: less usable oxygen towards the ceiling.

Hot air rises. Your heater draws in air from the bottom (of the heater) and exhausts hot air and combustion gasses out the front that rises. Propane is C3H8, so perfect combustion will exhaust hot 3CO2 + 8H2O along with the remaining gasses in the room air, so there is less usable O2 in the rising hot air.

-- Spiff
 
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