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Came home and found one of my high dollar($40)controllers had gone bad.I was looking for a new controller and found a Tracer mppt for $150.I could buy 2 of them and re-wire my panels to 24v and put 20 of my panels on them.Or I could replace the bad controller with a pwm for $13.50.Anybody familiar with the Tracer brand?Maybe I'm just being persuaded by the hype?I really am curious about the claimed gains in production.Maybe I'll order 1 and test it out before going further.How would I measure the difference in output if they are supplying the same battery bank?And to think;life used to be so simple.
 
Bob, How many panels do you have?  How many watts is your total system?

Generally, MPPT isn't cost effective until you have 500 watts or more of solar panels.

And my personal belief is - and there are some people here who will disagree with me - that wiring panels in series instead of parallel - ON MOBILE INSTALLATIONS - is a bad idea.

There can be advantages to doing that on fixed installations.  But series panels can lose more power in shade than parallel panels do.

Sorry, I don't know anything about the Tracer brand.

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John
 
OP,I have 2400 watts controlled by 8- 30a pwms.I'm mainly considering this out of curiosity.Since Sternwake is the go-to man on all things electrical,maybe he'll check in.
 
The various charge controllers available, and how they compare to each other is not something i am upto date with.


MPPT's claimed benefits are most apparent with low battery voltage in cold weather, but claims of upto 30% more, can easily mean might not be any better, but possibly if all the conditions align, then 30% more current might, possibly flow.

I have a mppt, bought in 2007 with just 130 watts, and i was told i was a fool as I would never realize the benefits of mppt on such a small system.

Well that controller(sb2512i) is operating properly many years later, and my only regret is not buying the 40$ more expensive version which had battery temperature sensing

I think what it comes down to ultimately, is how long the batteries last.

Adjustable absorption  and float voltage and duration and battery temperature sensing will likely extend battery life more so than a charge controller that claims to be able to make 30% more juice, with a bunch of asterix's following that large claim.
 
If you have room for more panels and don't consider the extra weight and drag meaningful, the cost difference between MPPT and PWM makes buying more panels reasonable below about 500W. For most mobile installations, MPPT is best.
 
Wow, that is a lot of wattage there, Bob. Nice. How many volts is your battery bank? 12/24/48? How many panels specifically and how many volts per panel? Are all the panels the same?

I am going to assume 20 panels at 12 volt and 120 watts per panel. If you wire two in a series, that would give you about 45 volts @ absolute maximum (those rare, perfect conditions when the panel is at peak efficiency). If you go over the safe amount of voltage for even a few seconds, you can smoke the controller(s). An mppt controller that can handle 45 volts from two 12 volt panels wired in series is going to be kind of expensive. At least $300 for a Blue Sky 3024 if memory serves me correct. Even then you could only hook up 4 of those 120 watt panels total for one controller; you would need 5 controllers at $300 a piece to wire in all 20 panels! Ouch!

Morningstar controllers can handle much higher input wattages than Blue Sky or many other high quality brands. The amp ratings are about the same, but the voltage ratings are much higher. One Tristar-mppt-45 can handle two strings of 10, 120 watt panels in series with those two strings wired in parallel and still be well within the limits (that is all 20 of your panels!). The higher input voltage capacity is a big advantage of the Morningstar compared to other brands. The MorningStar Tristar 45 mppt is at least $600 I think, which would be half the cost using several of the comparable controllers from other companies.

If a pwm mated to two 12 volt panels that are wired in series to make 24 volts (real world is about 34 volts), half of the energy will be wasted. The pwm is going to chop the volts down to about 14 so the battery is getting the correct voltage. An mppt will also cut the volts in half, but instead of throwing the excess voltage away, it smooshes that excess voltage into amps. Batteries love amperage especially when they are low. There is a loss when converting volts to amps, but it is much less of a loss than with a pwm. Your 8, 30 amp pwms are well matched to your system if you have 12 volt panels.

When low light conditions limit a 24 volt (actually about 36 volt) panel to produce only 70% of what it can do, it is putting out only 25.2 volts (36 volts X 70%). This is plenty of voltage to charge the batteries; of course fewer amps, but enough volts. If a 12 volt solar panel were only putting out 70% capacity, then it would be putting out only 11.9 volts. (You can have all the amps in the world, but they won't do you any good if you don't have enough voltage to push those amps into your battery bank.) That isn't enough to charge a battery unless it is really low. This wasn't part of your question, but is important to know what happens in less than ideal conditions if you decide to go with wiring two 12 volt panels in series to make, in essence, one 24 volt panel.

MPPT's -with overall watts being equal- are best utilized with 24 volt panels or 12 volt panels wired in series.

PWM's need to be matched to the panel to maximize their limited ability to push voltage into a battery. That means matching 12 volt panels with 12 volt pwm's with a 12 volt battery bank; 24 volt panels with 24 volt pwm's with a 24 volt battery bank. However, 24 volt panels with 12 volt pwm's on a 12 volt battery bank is a massive waste of energy. MPPT is the only way to go when you have 24 volt or higher energy coming in from solar panels to a 12 volt battery bank.

A 12 volt controller means you are putting energy into a 12 volt battery bank. A 24 volt controller means a 24 volt battery bank. It has nothing to do with the solar panels. Yes, total volts from solar panels matters a great deal on a system larger than one 12 volt panel, but that is not how you identify if a controller is 12 volt or 24 volt or 48 volt. You can't wire a 12 volt controller to a 24 volt battery bank.

Buying one controller is cheaper than buying several smaller ones. If you do use several smaller ones, it is nice to have them talking to each other so they act in the best, most efficient way possible. You can have different controllers on the same bank, but they will behave differently and you will lose efficiency. If they operate too differently, that could cause problems. Mixing mppt and pwm is fine, but the settings on the controllers need to be set correctly- I can't remember exactly how that works, though. I match my stuff- more efficient.

Blue Sky controllers with the IPN ability will talk with one another even if the controllers are different models. This makes them function as one controller. Several controllers all on the same page are better than several controllers doing slightly different things. If they function as one controller, why not get one controller as it is cheaper and has less wiring? You lose redundancy. If one controller goes down, you are completely out of the game. Like the setup you have now, at least you are getting some juice. Some of the Morningstars also talk to each other.

I believe Blue Sky can be adjusted without a computer. The Morningstars that can be adjusted need to be connected to a laptop with the appropriately downloaded software. It is very easy to do and use, but it needs a computer. The computer needn't be hooked up all the time; it's to set the original parameters.

If you are getting enough electricity, I would live with the system and get me another cheap pwm. If you are wanting to increase the amount of electricity you are getting, you could benefit massively from mppt with the large amount of solar you have.

I'm too new at this to be super confident about my answer. You know a lot of this stuff, but many readers won't, so that's why I went with more detail and explanation. I also don't have specific numbers, so I can only estimate. Your question is a good one that a lot of people will want to know about. Am looking forward to learning a thing or two.
 
The larger Morningstar controllers can also be hooked together. Some controllers have settings for the battery bank voltage. My Morningstar Tristar MPPT 60 has an ethernet port for monitoring, the 45 amp model only had serial when I bought it. (45 would be overkill for my 450 Watts of panels -- I rarely see more than 30 amps.)
 
Thanks for the input everyone.I think I need to do more research.I have plenty of power with my set-up.It's just this damned curiosity problem that I have.I stumbled across the cheap price on the mppt and that started me wondering.I went ahead and ordered another $13.50 controller for the meantime.I already have 4 like it and have had no problems with them.The ones I've had problems with are called Solar Angel.Yeah,strange name.I bought 4 of them when I upgraded my system about 6 years ago.Right now the cold weather is playing hell with my battery storage.10 degrees this morning.We are going to be back on the road as soon as we take care of a little business and get everything moved from the van to the camper.I still have the truck and it's still driving fine.Three vehicles is too many.Anybody need a truck with a suspicious trans,make an offer.Thanks again.
 

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