"Jump Starter / power source" unit: What's the best?

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I think having one of those jump starter / power source units could be very handy for a van dweller.

Great as a backup source of power, to jump start in a pinch, put air in tires, charge your smart phone, LED light source etc.

I was checking this one out which has 18 amp hours...

Schumacher XP2260 www.amazon.com/Schumacher-XP2260-Instant-Portable-Source/dp/B004EIAADG/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t


Just wondering what other units are comparable or better? Which is the best unit you can get?
 
IMHO, you're better of with a separate house battery (or 2), some solar, battery isolator (solenoid) and a good air pump. Much more bang for the buck than one of those units...18ah ain't much at all for that price.
 
You are probably right. However, I am probably not going solar (at least in the beginning) because I need huge stealth and a solar panel on the roof is a dead give away. Charging a house battery via the alternator is something I will do, but this is a back up to that. I am probably going to avoid driving the van to save on gas and this a way to have power at the ready if needed.
 
I use one I bought for $40 at Lowes, and it's saved my bacon plenty of times. Can run the computer for 90 minutes, keep smartphone running overnight. Will jump start the van when fully charged, and can recharge from the battery when underway.
 
Reno said:
I use one I bought for $40 at Lowes, and it's saved my bacon plenty of times. Can run the computer for 90 minutes, keep smartphone running overnight. Will jump start the van when fully charged, and can recharge from the battery when underway.

Reno, how long have you had it? I'm wondering how many charge/discharge cycles they're good for before the battery gives up?

Regards
John
 
Had it less than a year. Also use it in summer to run a 12v fan.
 
Jumper packs can be very convenient, put you pay a large price for that well marketed convenience.

First, the standard 12 or 18 A/h AGM batteries inside are Asian AGM batteries. These AGM batteries do not excel in the low self discharge area as do other higher quality AGM batteries. They are barely better than regular flooded batteries which can self discharge at 15% per month

So they are made in Asia, shipped over here, and sit on a shelf in some warehouse or in some retail establishment for who knows how long before somebody buys it.

The battery at the date of purchase could already have lost half of its capacity. Never to return, and yet the purchaser is completely ignorant of this.

Now the other features of a jumper pack, like the lights. Pretty much worthless.

The wall wart charger for them will take days to replenish the battery from 50%, and if you look at Universal battery's recommendation for recharging in cyclic service, they require upto 14.8v, and way more than the usual 800 Mah or less provided by the provided charger., which might only output 13.7, so the provided charger is not even well matched for the battery.

The Air compressor will say run it for no more than 5 minutes, then let it cool for 30 minutes before restarting it. Running one of these for 5 minutes will take a Standard size 235/75/15 Van tire from 32 to 38 Lbs. The compressor will still make noise after it overheats at the 6.5 minute mark , but the tire will be slowly deflating while it depletes the battery. It will not work properly one it has cooled down either after an overheat. The piston cup is burnt and can no longer make a seal with the cylinder wall, so all it does is make noise and deplete the battery.


If one wants such a cheap miserable unreliable compressor, goto harbor freight and buy their yellow 5$ version. It will be just as 'robust' as the ones integrated into these Sleek jumper packs.

The Inverters in some models are too large for the battery inside it. a 18 A/h battery cannot provide 400 watts for very long at all. Also if one were to put a voltmeter on the output under a significant load, instead of 115 volts AC, one might see less than 90, Which might damage the device attempted to be powered.


If one is looking to use these as a power source, to use instead of the vehicle battery, well, it is pretty fool hearty to use the Backup battery for primary duties, in my opinion.

If one really wants a jumper pack, and they do come in handy, I am not arguing that, then get one without the bells and whistles, Just a jumper pack with a handle and alligator clips. Perhaps a useless light, but no more than that.

Or better yet just carry jumper cables and an 18 A/h AGM battery

http://www.atbatt.com/sealed-lead-acid-batteries/b/universal/m/universal-ub12180.asp

But for double that price, one can get a group 24 marine battery containing 85 amp hours capacity, and never worry about needing a jumper pack.

I found that when I did have a jumper pack, It was most convenient to lend it to others to jumpstart their vehicles, rather than driving over to jump them. Of course then it was compromised for when/If I needed it.

They might be a good emergency item, A 'feel good' back up, but don't rely on them to take the place of a real battery, or a real inverter, or a real air compressor. If you continuously run the battery down to where it cannot power the device being powered, do not expect that the battery within will last long at all.

The batteries can be replaced, if one has the skills and possibly the tools( like a long reach torx t-20 screwdriver), to do so. They do not want customers replacing the battery in our disposable world, they want them to buy another one so they make it difficult as possible to actually do the responsible thing.

Usually one can buy the same rating of each of those devices, of higher quality, for cheaper than the all in one jobbers in their sleek plastic exteriors.

So buyer beware of sleek marketing , sleek packaging, with cheap as can be internals manufactured at Slave wages in the third world.
 
Unity Gain said:
Great as a backup source of power, to jump start in a pinch, put air in tires, charge your smart phone, LED light source etc.

I was checking this one out which has 18 amp hours...

That thing is expensive. I got 2 of these: http://www.harborfreight.com/12-volt-jump-start-and-power-supply-38391.html

$31.20 with the right coupons at the right time. But usually about $40. 17 amp hours. That $123 fancy one you linked has the same two SLA batteries inside but with more gizmos. It's nice, but not that nice. I'd rather have 1 of these $31 packs and a house battery from Costco for $80 (105 AH marine battery that can go down to 60-70% safely, so that's around 30-40 AH). I've had one of those packs (1st) for over 7 years and used it plenty of times to jumpstart. They're not made to run stuff all the time, although I did use it for such. I didn't maintain mine much and left it in the trunk for many winters until it failed. The 2nd and 3rd, I'm maintaining well as I now have a better understanding of how batteries work. IMO, they should only be used for jumpstarting.
 
The main thing I see about those jumper packs, is to make sure it is one you can charge while driving.

A $20 recycled type house battery is not only much cheaper, it will give you better service.

If you mount it in a plastic marine style box, and mount fused accessory outlets into that same box, you will have a nice unit, and you can simply run a jumper from your cig lighter to it to charge it while driving.

You can always do upgrades later if you choose, but that's basically what I use for a house battery, and it is totally reliable. I do recommend one of those battery cutoff devices to keep you from draining it to low. I got mine at the recycled battery store cheap.

Depending on your needs, a simple battery cut off on your starter battery may be sufficient too. House battery or starter battery will power me for a week before cutting off. (Both of my batteries are of the same type from the recycle shop.)

With the cutoff device, you will still have plenty of power to start your vehicle even after it has cut you off at 11.8v.
 
Mine came in very handy when I left my minivan lights on at an early morning doctor's appointment. Came out to a dead battery. That clicking sound is so very disheartening. But I hooked up the charger pack and it cranked immediately.
One thing to be aware of is the unit needs to be plugged into 110v AC and recharged every month or so. It will, as said above, lose it's charge over time. I've never used the compressor. I have a Slime brand 12 volt air compressor that is better quality - both my minivan and bike have 12V sockets to plug it into. I charge my cell phone with either the van 12V power, via an UBS adapter, or the pocket-sized charger pack that can charge it about four times before it needs recharged.
 
That's another instance of where a battery cut off would have saved you. Highly recommended!
 
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