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Does camping cause irreparable harm to the planet?

  • Camping causes irreparable harm to the planet.

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Camping is being in harmony with nature.

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • Being in nature heals people and the planet.

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • Something else.

    Votes: 13 52.0%

  • Total voters
    25
nature lover said:
....God's janitor.  Makes improvements and sets a good example.
That is a cool thought.

Let's not forget that some messy campers are that disorganized in their whole life. One mentally ill couple I know was boondocking in a posted no-camping area. In the morning they were kicked out, and proceeded to dump every piece of trash from their car onto the site, leaving quite a mess when they finally peeled out. Another couple camping there who was also kicked out, picked up every piece of trash and left the areas where the two couples had camped in a very clean condition. And wow was it clean. IMHO the cleanup couple is also nuts, as they spend all their free time building trails in the mountains.
-crofter
 
crofter said:
Wow these people think camping causes irreparable harm to the planet. Like the world is  a museum in a glass case, not a living organism.

Description: article about effects of unregulated campers.
https://www.popsci.com/national-park-recovery-soil/
Did you notice that this article was from 16 months ago?

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]A significant portion of 'campers' don't give a shit about protecting anything, or leaving no trace. [/font]We can debate the validity of the federal government designating areas as 'protected' and whether that is effective, but without restrictions a lot of people will trash all the places you want to visit and 'enjoy' nature.

I am reminded of Aldo Leopold's thoughts on the topic: [font=Merriweather, Georgia, serif]“All conservation of wildness is self-defeating, for to cherish we must see and fondle, and when enough have seen and fondled, there is no wilderness left to cherish.” 

Several years ago we became aware of a secret grove of tall trees, taller than the official record-holders. This grove was in Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park in northern California. The park was attempting to protect the trees by simply keeping the secret. No signs, no trails. I feel fortunate to have seen these trees up close and in person. But the more people who discover them, the more protection is needed. Eventually the park was forced to set up raised walkways and fences just to keep people from stomping the roots and breaking off bark for souvenirs. A 1300foot walkway is currently under construction due to the Save the Redwoods League.[/font]
 
I remember during the government shutdown that places like Joshua Tree were flooded with visitors while there were no park staff to monitor.

That article was written during the shutdown, I believe.

It was a real mess. Trash and damage and stupidity, purely selfish and inconsiderate behavior.

It all comes down to personal responsibility, doing your part with what is in front of you, but there is still a need for enforcement to protect treasured places from bad actors.
 
I have to agree. Where I’m from there’s a beautiful park with an ocean view, a paved circular walking track, a children’s playground, hiking trails down the hill, a huge playing field and barbecue pits. I used to walk 7 days a week and spoke to people. They were not local for the most part. They inundated the park on weekends. On Monday mornings a bunch of us gloved up and brought trash bags. The gardeners didn’t come until Wednesday.
 The park was brimming with food, cigarette butts, intact and broken bottles and cans, paper plates, plastic cups, utensils, food wrappers, bags, blankets, towels (the animal shelter and battered women’s shelter got a lot of towels, toys and blankets) toys, and anything else you can imagine like cans and can openers.
The tables were filthy, those trash cans still standing were overflowing. Every f’ing week. I was taught to bring bags and every single thing you bring in you take out. You leave the area as clean or cleaner than you found it.

I agree. Nature is not a museum. It is to be used and enjoyed but not destroyed. People are pigs. I watched a lot of people during the week come to the park for lunch and toss trash out the window. I would walk in front of them, pick it up and throw it away.

There has to be some sort of middle path. Maybe when the selfie generation gets bored and Instagram dies fewer people will pour into National Parks and nature preserves. When I was growing up in the Southwest in the 60’s and 70’s most people went camping in the desert or stayed in cheap hotels and were responsible and respectful.
 
crofter said:
Wow these people think camping causes irreparable harm to the planet. Like the world is  a museum in a glass case, not a living organism
"Irrepairable" ? I don't see it.
People can cause long term damage, particularly to desert areas, if intentionally being idiots. But just camping? Absolutely ridiculous.
 
Anybody going to the Rainbow Gathering in Idaho in July?
 
Every camper on the earth, even those that leave their trash behind, does less harm that one Walmart store.
 
When I read these posts they remind me of a commercial about keeping America beautiful that came out in the 70's...some 50 years ago!! It's as real then as it is today. So sad.

 
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