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paulj1966

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I am looking at a 2006 Ford E-Series wagon E-350 SD XLT 62,500 miles on it has the 6.0 Turbo Diesel V8 I have looked at the van it is in really great shape no tow package which I dont care not planning on towing anything with it The guy is asking 10,000.00 for it I did drive it no noises or anything runs smooth just wanting to know if I should go Diesel or go with Gasoline.....
 
62,000 miles in 12 years?

Thats a red flag. A BIG one. 

Very few owners spend the extra money to buy a diesel and only put 5200 miles per year on it. 

Make sure you have all relevant facts:

Who owned it? What did they use it for?

A shuttle for church passengers is one thing, but if it was used by a fleet for service work, or an expeditor, that mileage is very suspect.

There are reports of dash units being replaced making the mileage seem very low, long after the vehicle has hundreds of thousands of miles.

Do your homework on this one.
 
The Ford 6.0 diesels are VERY PROBLEMATIC! Unless it has been “hardened” stay away from it. Other threads here on this topic you should read.
 
tx2sturgis said:
62,000 miles in 12 years?

Thats a red flag. A BIG one. 

Very few owners spend the extra money to buy a diesel and only put 5200 miles per year on it. 

Make sure you have all relevant facts:

Who owned it? What did they use it for?

A shuttle for church passengers is one thing, but if it was used by a fleet for service work, or an expeditor, that mileage is very suspect.

There are reports of dash units being replaced making the mileage seem very low, long after the vehicle has hundreds of thousands of miles.

Do your homework on this one.

This is owned by a Preacher and it was a shuttle for his local church He has all the service records on it with reg maintenance he just recently put new brakes and tires on it the reason he is selling it is because church attendance is way down and most of his pickups were elderly and have passed on I have talked to the local ford garage service manager he confirmed there have been some issues with the emissions but it was all taken care of and he confirmed on all the service records... but I also heard that the 6.0 has had some really bad issues so this is the first diesel I have looked at I am looking at 2 more E 350 a little higher mileage but gasoline a 2006 with 86.000 miles on it and a 2003 E 150 with 63.000 miles on it I haven't driven these 2 but have looked at them personally......
 
The only red flag for me other than its a 6.0 is why a preacher would want or even need a diesel? They are more expensive to repair and maintain, the fuel mileage is negligible over gas and these days diesel is routinely more expensive than gas.

The only valid reason to even have a diesel is to tow something heavy. Since you stated you won't be towing anything that's just another reason to stick with gas.

Unless you're getting a super smoking deal on it you might be able to trade it to one of those chest thumping muscle flexers that just HAS TO HAVE a bro dozer, but they usually buy pick up trucks so they can put exhaust pipes in the bed to smoke out Priuses.
 
speedhighway46 said:
The Ford 6.0 diesels are VERY PROBLEMATIC! Unless it has been “hardened” stay away from it.
How much does it cost to harden one if it checks out as fine, mileage is accurate and is genuinely a real bargain?

Given that GMC didn't make them for ten years, what are the better alternatives for heavy towing service?
 
I've driven diesel's for 50-years, and love them.

I've had many kinds with no major breakdown's ever.

I do keep them serviced precisely on time though, as you get what you pay for in the long run.

My Cummin's 2500 diesel gets 24mpg on the interstate empty.

Every time I pass a gas guzzler that's lugging up the same hill... I just wave and smile.
 
Over the years I have had a Ford 7.3 F250, MB 300SD, Excursion 7.3 and a Dodge 2500 Cummin's. I myself would steer clear and did of many 6.0 Fords. The turbos and head bolts, warped heads - "fix" only with non- Ford parts where you can is my understanding. From what I took away it's the top end of the motor which is the problem and the turbo - think Banks as a replacement... I know two people who took it on and they each put ~8K to 10K in as labor costs were high. They sold the trucks not that long after so it makes me wonder.

I know someone with a trucking firm 200 plus over the road units. He drives a gasser even with diesel fuel tanks and mechanics right outside his door. Now I understand why he went that way. I lost an injector due to a small dirt particle and got a dealer quote of $8K to do the work - wanted to change all the injectors $875 each. I'm pretty knowledgeable in some areas, so I did it myself and it cost $800 in parts (did nozzles and plungers) and one or two special tools. Took a bit to get it all done and I have many shop tools to help. I would not want to be on the road needing diesel mechanic assistance and would not do that job without access to a shop of tools.

Humbly, I think the new gas engines taken care of will offer +400K miles. The gas is cheaper, generally mileage is not much worse -2 mpg, parts are by far more available, almost everyone can work on the gas engine, parts are less expensive, it's quieter, fuel is more available sometimes. As explained by others the diesel will last long time (possible 700K miles) with maintenance of oil, better fuel filters and fuel conditioner (every tank fillup). The diesel will pull all day long with lot's of power as stated above. If it were a Cummins or Duramax I would be more inclined to say go for it. As for the 6.0 my understanding is it almost tanked Ford because they were replacing ambulance bodies onto new chassis because the failure rate was so high. I personally know a guy who had two new 6.0's they were both in the shop more than he had them at home - engine problems. This is why Ford built their own engine (6.7) and tested the dickens out of it before releasing.

All that written many have made the 6.0 work and many are still going - just be ready to put some bucks in when it fails. If it fails on the road it's gonna cost you way way more than a top notch, fully rebuilt, wiz bang new gas engine. Unless, there is a need to tow I don't think the costs will ever balance with that diesel as the fuel cost difference is a wash in mpg. Go gasser unless you want to roll the dice!
 
If it's a 6.9 RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!!!!!!  Sure you can "harden" them but it AIN'T worth it.  Second red flag is the preacher.  While he may not lie to you he may not feel guilty about not telling you the whole story.  Go to some independent repair shops and ask them about Ford 6.0 diesel and ask them if they would buy one.  I wouldn't take one for free.  I have driven Ford 7.3 diesel, Dodge Cummins, and Chevy Duramax and they are all fine, but that 6.0 is trouble.
 
Ford 6.0 diesel, run do not walk away from. the only good Ford diesel is the 7.3. highdesertranger
 
My knowledge of mid-size diesel engines like this (especially this one) is very limited....but the gurus on here are saying no.

I'd listen to them. 

:cool:
 
So what is the biggest gas-engined truck for towing capacity?

Biggest loading may only be a few times a year, but want to be safe.

Alternatively, can a big towing diesels be reasonably rented for a couple weeks of long-distances?
 
I think it is about $6000 for a basic bulletproofing of the 6.0, it can get as much as $15000 depending on what you want. If it is unmodified there is a good chance of bad stuff happening to that engine, some horrible EGR problems if I remember right.
 
6 liter Ford diesels are a bad bad investment. Spend more than the cost of a complete van, just getting the thing so that it runs almost as reliably a 6..2 Liter. General Motors of old. Get one of the General Motors gassers a 5..3 Liter or a 6..0 Liter gasoline engine and run it to 300000 miles. Happily.
 
Thanks everyone for your comments I have chosen a 2008 E-150 Chateau I found in really good shape New starter new belts new tires for 6500.00 has 92.000 on it  and this is going to be my build this vehicle was a govt vehicle and has all the maintenance records it was well taken care of with routine maintenance there are a few flaws nothing major the guy let me take it to my local mechanic and everything checked out. I appreciate all your comments and advice thanks...
 
congrats, thanks for the update, keep us posted on your progress. pics are always welcome. highdesertranger
 
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