Curable cancer treatment - no insurance

[offroad]

There are some cancers that are curable, or definately can be fought with expensive treatments.<br /><br />1)&nbsp; Surgery - it can stop cancer, if there is good separation of the cancer tissue.&nbsp; it is expensive.<br /><br />2) Chemo - can stall cancer for many years.&nbsp; maybe get rid of it.&nbsp; Again expensive drugs. <br /><br />3)&nbsp; Combination of the above - special procedures.&nbsp; could make a difference.&nbsp; even more cost<br /><br />4)&nbsp; miricle treatments.&nbsp; not likely statistacally&nbsp; <br /><br />So how does a person who has no insurance get this paid for, to attempt to save your life?&nbsp; <br /><br />Or is the general attoitude that, you have no chance.&nbsp; let nature take its course?<br /><br />Really want to hear of persons who did not have insurance, going through it.

 

[josephusminimus]

&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not sure this is what you're asking for, but I've seen a couple of herbal remedies science doesn't approve of work well on a number of terminal cases the physicians sent home to die, as well as on terminally ill pets with several different types of carcinoma.&nbsp; I've one of my own I have to treat occasionally, as well.&nbsp; The medicos told me 40 years ago I was going to die of a particular one, and they might be right.&nbsp; I keep waiting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not sure this is the proper place to discuss the options FDA doesn't approve, though.

 

[IGBT]

It isn't always a lack of money or insurance.<br /><br />"According to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/profile/steve-jobs/">Steve Jobs</a>&rsquo; biographer, Walter Isaacson, the <a href="http://www.forbes.com/companies/apple/">Apple</a> mastermind eventually came to regret the decision he had made years earlier to reject potentially life-saving surgery in favor of alternative treatments like acupuncture, dietary supplements and juices. Though he ultimately embraced the surgery and sought out cutting-edge experimental methods, they were not enough to save him."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/">http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/</a>

 

[offroad]

There are life saving surgeries (pancreotic cancer has a couple) that are really hell on your body.&nbsp; Hell on your quality of life.&nbsp;<br /><br />If&nbsp;Steve Jobs rejected it at the time, the surgery must have been the really dramatic one that removes a lot of your&nbsp;stomach and&nbsp;abdominal area organs and tissues.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Might want to look at patient who went with it, and ask if they wanted to live a life of constant pain.&nbsp; Living on IV tubes, or feeding tubes.&nbsp;<br /><br />My passed wife, saw it all at hospice.&nbsp; Doctors can keep you alive longer, just need to remove a lot.&nbsp; Are you still living a quality life?&nbsp;&nbsp; She thought not, and decided to not&nbsp;be put on a ventilator, when her time came.&nbsp; <br /><br />***<br /><br />On the comment about living 40 years more after a doctor predicted your passing.&nbsp;Sounds like the doctor did not have very good tests, and a false positive for cancer.&nbsp; Else maybe it could have been the alternative care treatment.&nbsp; Regardless, always remember YOU CURED THE SICKNESS in your body, not the doctor, not the medicines.&nbsp; They just helped.<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

 

[IGBT]

Yeah that is true.&nbsp; I think Steve's was more cureable because he sort of accidentally found it early in a scan that is not normally done.<br /><br />Cancer is scary.&nbsp; It just comes out of left field, a lot of times with no warning.

 

[offroad]

What&nbsp;gets me. Is that EXECUTIVE PHYSICALS like what is done on the president and on other high profile high value persons. Is different than the average joe. Early cancer. Early heart disease is detectable. With cat scans and MRI scans. But they aren't done on the average joe. Feel like insurance companies instruct doctor participants to never do these scans. Unless there was some drama that happened first.

 

[fluffabear]

I got charity care through the hospital when I was going through cancer treatment. I hope that you have a better support system than I had.

 

[Willy]

http://www.google.ca/search?num=100....0.161.161.0j1.1.0.les;..0.0...1c.fdZy-8RMUOw

 

[offroad]

Personally do not believe the wonder cures that are being hidden.<br /><br />1)&nbsp; Relatives of cancer researchers would be using the wonder cure on their loved ones and curing them.<br />2)&nbsp; These cured patients would be very very very talkative about their cure.<br />3)&nbsp; Everyone would be screaming at government and cancer societies to get it fixed today.<br /><br />there is no conspiracy theory for cancer cure.&nbsp; <br /><br />

 

[josephusminimus]

<span id="post_message_1275185643">Personally do not believe the wonder cures that are being hidden.<br /><br />

1)&nbsp; Relatives of cancer researchers would be using the wonder cure on their loved ones and curing them.<br />2)&nbsp; These cured patients would be very very very talkative about their cure.<br />3)&nbsp; Everyone would be screaming at government and cancer societies to get it fixed today.<br /><br />there is no conspiracy theory for cancer cure.&nbsp;

<br /><br />No reason for you to believe, or disbelieve unless you happen to be terminally ill.&nbsp; The folks who have nothing to lose by trying it, do try it, and end up living instead of dying do talk about it, however.&nbsp; A person just has to be looking where they're talking.<br /><br />Nobody screams because the great majority of people believe as you do, that it mustn't work because you don't happen to know anything about it or know anyone who does and prefer not to believe because you already know all about it you wish to know.<br /><br />I doubt there's any conspiracy, though.&nbsp; Just a lot of old ladies out on the reservations cooking things up the people who use them believe are worth taking a chance on in preference to sure-fire death.<br /><br />But nobody has any investment in anyone else believing in it.&nbsp; People want to die rather than try something they don't believe in, it does the job.&nbsp; Maybe they'd have died anyway.</span>

 

[wandering mike]

Here is the <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/cancercure.asp">Snopes article on the "hidden cure" </a>stories that go around that assert that the nasty big pharma companies are hiding it. &nbsp;It does sound promising at some point.

 

[yesican]

<p>All I'm going to say is...modern medicine once dissed chiropractors, accupunturists, herbal remedies, etc...all were considered "voodoo" but are now covered under medical insurance...Herbal medicines are found in Drug Books along with pharmacutical meds.&nbsp; Yes...there is not a lot lab research in much of "voodoo" medicine, but by golly...much of&nbsp;that "voodoo"&nbsp;works!<br />Rae</p>

 

[angeli]

Mormon Tea is the modern rendition of a Native American cure for cancer.&nbsp; Another Navajo cure is equal parts Sage and Chaparral, c&amp;s, boiled for 2 hours into a decoction.&nbsp; Taken frequently.&nbsp; (Note: usually herb teas are not boiled, but this remedy is different.)<br /><br />The FDA is not the people's friend.&nbsp; It is populated with employees of Big Pharm.&nbsp; That is not an opinion.&nbsp; You can look it up.&nbsp; And it shouldn't surprise anyone that this is so.&nbsp; It seems to be true in most government regulating bodies that they employ the people they should be regulating.&nbsp; Look at the banking industry, etc etc.<br /><br />I don't know much about 'hidden cures'.&nbsp; I just think that educating yourself about good remedies is the way to deal with it.&nbsp; <br /><br />As for history, you are right on, Rae.&nbsp; The only think I can add is that modern medicine is the baby in that bathwater.&nbsp; The first medical organization in the US was the American Homeopathic Medical Association.&nbsp; Got run over by the then baby-AMA, who associated themselves with the then new land grant Universities and populated the local legislatures. All about politics.&nbsp;<br /><br /> Acupuncture, Homeopathy, and especially herbs have all been around, and working, for thousands of years, not a couple hundred like chemical medicine.&nbsp; The thing that is changing most is the toxicity of our world.&nbsp; It's a very different place that it was even 100 years ago.

 

[josephusminimus]

Mormon Tea is the modern rendition of a Native American cure for cancer.&nbsp; Another Navajo cure is equal parts Sage and Chaparral, c&amp;s, boiled for 2 hours into a decoction.&nbsp; Taken frequently.&nbsp; (Note: usually herb teas are not boiled, but this remedy is different.)<br /><br />The FDA is not the people's friend.&nbsp; It is populated with employees of Big Pharm.&nbsp; That is not an opinion.&nbsp; You can look it up.&nbsp; And it shouldn't surprise anyone that this is so.&nbsp; It seems to be true in most government regulating bodies that they employ the people they should be regulating.&nbsp; Look at the banking industry, etc etc.<br /><br />I don't know much about 'hidden cures'.&nbsp; I just think that educating yourself about good remedies is the way to deal with it.&nbsp; <br /><br />As for history, you are right on, Rae.&nbsp; The only think I can add is that modern medicine is the baby in that bathwater.&nbsp; The first medical organization in the US was the American Homeopathic Medical Association.&nbsp; Got run over by the then baby-AMA, who associated themselves with the then new land grant Universities and populated the local legislatures. All about politics.&nbsp;<br /><br />Acupuncture, Homeopathy, and especially herbs have all been around, and working, for thousands of years, not a couple hundred like chemical medicine.&nbsp; The thing that is changing most is the toxicity of our world.&nbsp; It's a very different place that it was even 100 years ago.

<br /><br />Hi Angeli:&nbsp; I've known cats vets wanted to kill immediately because they had a particularly infectuous cancer who lived to die of something else years later because of colloidal silver doses into their water.&nbsp; Dogs who couldn't stand up because they were covered with visible tumors eaten alive with cancer who died years later of something else because of a cancer killer off the reservation dosed to them.&nbsp; And dozens of people the medicos gave up poisoning and cutting things off of who might still be alive today for all I know because of yet another treatment originated on the rez.<br /><br />These concoctions are widely known, easy enough to prepare from herbs relatively common, and aren't costly.&nbsp; But there's no financial incentive to run them through the gamut of FDA testing because if the drug maker companies could spend all that money and if they proved out, everyone who needed them would make them at home instead of going to doctors having pieces of themselves cut off and loading themselves down with other meds.<br /><br />Anecdotal evidence doesn't count for anything much in science, and it doesn't carry any water for herbal cures for anything.<br /><br />But it isn't worth attempting to change minds already made up, because they aren't going to change.&nbsp; Fact is, it's the business of the ill and dying how they choose to deal with their illnesses.&nbsp; If they wish to trust medicos because they went to school a longish while and were told a lot of things they believed, it's just another choice a person can make and pay the price for.<br /><br />Or if they choose to treat themselves, the same is true.&nbsp; If they're wrong and die anyway, nothing lost.&nbsp; Or if they didn't have a terminal illness and lived longer and healthier because they used herbal remedies instead of going to doctors, no reason to shout it from the rooftops trying to convince people who already have their minds made up that modern medicine is the way to the truth and the light.&nbsp; Human beings love thinking someone else has the answers to whatever ails them, and prefer to believe the Universe loves healers better if they went through medical school, work in hospitals, drive&nbsp;Jaguars&nbsp;and play a lot of golf.

 

[IGBT]

I'd probably try everything under the sun too if I had cancer.<br /><br />I do not think "big pharma" is evil and out to get people.<br /><br />I have invested in several drug companies who were trying for a certain cure.&nbsp; It is insanely expensive and a very long process.&nbsp;&nbsp; One company I invested in had 500 million dollars and after 6 years of FDA delays and requirements for further testing went bankrupt.&nbsp; If you are lucky enough to have your drug approved, you only have a few years to sell it before some generic is produced by a company that spent $0 on research.&nbsp; Even after you get the drug approved, and after all that testing, you can still be driven into the ground by lawsuits if the drug causes some other problem.<br /><br />

 

[yesican]

During Cancer there are many symptoms&nbsp;and there are many&nbsp;herbal remedies great for relieving these symptoms.&nbsp; Chances are herbal remedies won't kill you like chemo will, nor will they cause side effects.&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Joseph mentioned collial silver...just a note...many of the most sought after wound dressings now contain silver.&nbsp; We use silver disks at the insertion site of indwelling tubes that go into the blood such as PICC lines; silver dressings for wound vacs; silver alginate (seaweed) dressing in many wounds.&nbsp; Yes, modern medicine is going back to those things&nbsp;from the earth that have been unaltered in a lab.&nbsp; I think if I were to have cancer, I would seek out assistance from both Allopathic (modern) medicine and Homeopathic medicine treatments and rely on NEITHER one wholly.&nbsp; JMHO.<br />Rae

 

[offroad]

Here is the &lt;a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/cancercure.asp"&gt;Snopes article on the "hidden cure" &lt;/a&gt;stories that go around that assert that the nasty big pharma companies are hiding it. &nbsp;It does sound promising at some point.

Thanks for mentioning SNOPES as they are very strong with sniffing out cures that are quackery.

 

[angeli]

IGBT<br /><br />I do not believe that 'big pharma' is evil, nor did I say so.&nbsp; I do however believe that corporations run on their profits, and that is their driving force for survival.&nbsp; If their board of directors do not obtain insane profits, as they have regularly, then their investors, such as yourself, vote them out.<br /><br />I am familiar with the research and testing process of chemical medicine.&nbsp; That is why so many medicines are manipulated to fit conditions, it is less expensive to not have to do it all again from scratch.&nbsp; Again, it is about maintaining and increasing profits. <br /><br />As for lawsuits, if you look at the numbers, you will see that the awards in class action suits for chemical medicine are such a very small percentage of the profits, that most corporations consider them to be simply the cost of doing business.<br /><br />Jack,<br />Thanks for your words.&nbsp; I'm way past trying to convince anyone of anything.&nbsp; I find my time better spent on my studies.&nbsp; However, I will post info, and probably unnecessarily my opinion.&nbsp; Which follows below:<br /><br />The trouble with applying the western science research model to herbs, whether you are looking at Eastern or Western traditions, is that to create a study, you have to know what you are testing.&nbsp; To do that, most tests extract the active chemical in the herb and even out the doses.&nbsp; Then they apply that to the test subjects and see what happens.&nbsp; Herbs are much more complex things than that, and by extracting only part and manipulating the levels of that, you end up with misleading results.<br /><br />An easy example of this principle is the flower Foxglove.&nbsp; From which we get the medicine Digitalis.&nbsp; You cannot take too much Foxglove before the other constituents in it make you violently ill.&nbsp; I.E. you throw it up before you can OD on it.&nbsp; Digitalis, the western medicine equivalent, however, will kill you if you are wrong on the dose.&nbsp; We've seen this again and again with herbs like Comfrey and others.&nbsp; It is in Western medical hospitals that 33% of the patients who die are killed by the cure, the chemical medicine that they are given.&nbsp; And that is a statistic from watchdog groups from within the hospital industry.&nbsp; I am not saying that all of Western medicine is evil, but we have been conditioned by the greed and marketing manipulation of the corporate to worship doctors like high priests, and chemistry like small miracles.<br /><br />I simply rather think the small miracles are the weeds that grow in your lawn that will cure your gout or arthritis (assuming you haven't dumped more chemicals on them!) <br /><br />OK - opining subsiding.&nbsp; LOL!!

 

[Kevin H]

We came across the <a href="http://gerson.org/gerpress/the-gerson-therapy/">Gerson Treatment</a>&nbsp;recently.&nbsp; Check it out.&nbsp; May be helpful.<br /><br />Good Luck!!

 

[Guest]

As a cancer survivor who through many years of living and working in this country, I am fortunate enough to have excellent health care (VA, BCBS as a federal retiree and Medicare), I am immensely grateful for modern medicine and the doctors I have had these last few years. <br /><br />Contrary to what some may think, there really were no "good old days" in the realm of healthcare. Whether one approves of long life or not, the longevity for us in the first world these days is far longer than ever before unless you believe myths of hundreds of years of life in biblical days. That of course is your privilege.<br /><br />Personally I have a lot of question about there actually being any "good old days" but that is beside the point.<br /><br />My experience in this country of ours that is 35th in the world in healthcare on some lists, and is one of few countries where healthcare has become a for-profit industry instead of a basic right for everyone, is that when the doc does a biopsy and tells you, yep, sorry but this is malignant, all the bullshit goes out the window and if you are in the least bit like myself, you start dealing with that reality in as rapid and as well informed way you can.<br /><br />I found that I had to make some extremely hard decisions and do that pretty damn soon. I chose my course of action with the very best doctors available (using who my nurse friends recommended, believe me they know more than most about who is good and why) and it was partially successful. <br /><br />Due to a choice "I" made about what to leave and what to take, it came back, I chose to include&nbsp; a licensed naturopathic doctor that of course my for-profit insurance company would not recognize and not pay and treated my returned cancer with all natural treatments... to the tune of several thousand dollars from our pockets.<br /><br />After a year of this old Mr. Cancer merely sniffed and redoubled his size and I went to the very best radiation doctor in the city I lived in (Boise , Idaho has the absolute best, young and gifted docs I have ever known) and had a course of radiation to get Mr. Cancer to leave and go somewhere else....well he did, somewhere else in my body where the marker we have to go by, tells us he is hiding his little nasty self and waiting until I am not looking to say howdy again.<br /><br />I am 68 and have lived an incredible life and having faced death a number of times and found I was more ready for the passing than I had ever thought, I am not too worried....however I wasted zero time in making a bucket list and crossing them off as fast as I can.<br /><br />In March/April of 2013 we will make a foray deep into southern England where my roots run deep and is on the top of my list.<br /><br />We will spend some time feeling how that is. Visiting the town my family came from and we are named after, this being in the henge and stone circle country, I will commune with my ancestors.<br /><br />I am enormously grateful my wife is as young as she is and still in the workforce in the disaster business, one of the few growth industries I know of, so we will have the wherewithal to make these bucket list trips.<br /><br />My retired surgeon friend Jim B. tells me that the first time he practiced medicine they way he always wanted to was as a doc with Doctors without Borders in Liberia, Sri Lanka, and Sudan....they treated people for free and because it is the right thing to do, not to make money. He is now too old and not so well as to keep doing it (they require a doc be in the best health) but he still recruits for it.<br /><br />Good luck and I hope you never have to decide whether you have to eat bushes and weeds and hope for the best, or actually choose to attempt the best care available. In a country as rich as ours, we shouldn't have to decide on our healthcare by what is in our pockets but by the best options for cure or remission.<br />Bri