Annoyed fisherman hooks drone

[Optimistic Paranoid]

http://www.diyphotography.net/annoyed-fisherman-casts-and-hooks-a-drone-flying-over-pier/#more-31085

Regards
John

 

[ccbreder]

Make tons of money. Build a device to stop a drone with out causing harm to others. My shotgun is ruled out. I just don't like someone filming me without permission. Really don't like!

 

[LeeRevell]

Okay, showing my "old fogey" side here.......    what is "Sliders" in the context they are using the word here?  In my world, sliders are hamburgers.  :huh:

 

[TMG51]

Okay, showing my "old fogey" side here.......    what is "Sliders" in the context they are using the word here?  In my world, sliders are hamburgers.  :huh:

It's also the name of an excellently mediocre sci-fi series.

 

[LeeRevell]

It's also the name of an excellently mediocre sci-fi series.

I saw one episode if that show and didn't care for it.  I like well done Sci-Fi, and even quirky Sci-Fi sometimes.  But "Sliders" was boring.

Back on subject, I can see the draw in the current "Drone" technology, but it really needs to be tempered with some basic common sense, or a lot more of these expensive toys will be destroyed or lost.  I do not agree with the FAA trying to have them under the same rules as real airplanes, but I also don't consider them as 'harmless toys' to be allowed unfettered access over our neighborhoods.  It's so new, it's hard to really define them.

 

[mockturtle]

Lee, I do, with some reluctance, favor FAA control over drones, since there have been several apparent drone incidents at or near airports. As for tempering their use with 'basic common sense': Common sense is very uncommon today.

 

[jimindenver]

I was involved in RC for quite a while and we only flew at air strips for safety. Then came the little electric park flyers, so called because they needed less space to fly, NOT because they were intended to fly in a park filled with people.

I've also been into photography for 30 years or more and know that some people will just freak out if they think there is any possibility of you taking a picture of them to the point that Honey was nearly attacked trying to take a picture of a local landmark. Luckily I stepped in before Honey beaned the guy with 10 pounds of steel and glass.

Now when you are in public, getting your picture taken is going to happen. There is a whole photography style built around the concept called street photography where the intent is to capture people while they are acting normal. It may be rude but it is legal.

Put the RC, small form and photography together and you have drones. There has been such bad press that it has formed a public opinion because of the minority that abuse them. I believe without the press that the fisherman wouldn't have felt comfortable in attacking it. 20 years ago the thought of someone with a camera on a RC helicopter would have been considered cool.

The one thing I don't see addressed is the fact that people are flying these in crowded situations with no regard to what happens if you have a radio failure. I know they are small but it is enough to hurt someone.

 

[Almost There]

Lee, I do, with some reluctance, favor FAA control over drones, since there have been several apparent drone incidents at or near airports.   As for tempering their use with 'basic common sense':  Common sense is very uncommon today.

I agree, particularly, as we've already witnessed, they can be equipped for a multitude of nefarious purposes. When someone can equip one with a gun, use them for spying and have them become a hazard for airplanes, it's time to stop or at least regulate their use.

As to the video, I wonder if the guy was playing hooky from work and didn't want his face on YouTube...

 

[LeeRevell]

When I use the term "FAA control", I mean the silly concept of requiring a small hobby RC aircraft needing to have a LICENSED pilot and conforming to the very same rules as true airplanes.  THAT is utterly mindbogglingly stupid.  Think if you like running your tiny RC car around your yard, but you are forced to have a Driver's License to use it.  Yeah, that kind of stupid.  It IS being tried by the authorities.  Bad idea.
As for restrictions, absolutely!  Especially near airports, and over large crowds of people.  I do think that fisherman went a bit overboard, as the little bird was not really bothering them, keeping it's distance, and the fishermen are in a public environment.  Bad form.

At the end of the day, we just have many differing opinions on this.  The LEO community is still trying to come to grips with it too.  We will see different levels of enforcement and rules in different places.

 

[offroad]

wait wait!! These DRONES have no sense of where they are? No GPS? No recording of position, and homing beacon? How is that a DRONE? Must be an industry-hobby misnomer. Thought if you lost radio contact, it would start doing a widening circle until it runs out of battery power, or it picks up radio control signal again? maybe the expensive ones can RETURN HOME to programed GPS coordinates, if they loose radio contact?

Or do I have it completely wrong?

 

[Milk Hauler]

Amazon sells a few that have RTH
(Return to home) gps features. They are not cheap though. If I had an extra $1800 layin, it be a cool way to make extra money for outdoor venues. Crimimal survailance, inspecting large properties... Etc

I'm not an advocate of harassing persons. That drone pilot was more then likely bored and almost lost an expensive toy.

 

[WriterMs]

ON the site where the fisherman video is, you will see a box come up for "what we were filming"... or you can scroll further down and see the paused footage. This "drone" was from a professional video company, and they were getting very-high-altitude footage of the dock with turquoise waves coming in. The final view they got is great and the people are so tiny you can hardly see them.

So... in this case it was not some clueless jerk. The operator had a legit reason for being there. I bet he learned, however, to take his drone up and down off to the side and not right up next to people.

On another thread discussing the overall issue of invasion of privacy (wherein a KY man DID use a shotgun on a drone in his backyard), we learned a few relevant points.

1. the drones have rotors that certainly can cause serious injury if flown into a person

2. Some states .. and the example was FL...have or are enacting harassment laws whereby an operator may face stiff fines if found to have photographed where the people had a "reasonable expectation of privacy" such as their own backyard. (Obviously public street scenes and fishing docks would not have an expectation of privacy.)

3. We have some RC flyers on this forum, and one was saying there are rules such as you are always to have your RC toy in sight.

From the evening news, the FAA already does have rules for ALL drones that they cannot be flown within 5 miles of an airport. So we see THAT has not stopped the dangerous behavior. Maybe they become illegal to sell unless the drone is registered at the time of purchase? Then when the pieces are found (from whatever cause), the drone can be traced back to an owner.

 

[mockturtle]

From the evening news, the FAA already does have rules for ALL drones that they cannot be flown within 5 miles of an airport. So we see THAT has not stopped the dangerous behavior.

Having rules is useless unless the rules are enforced.  I'm sure there will soon be systems devised to detect, disable and possibly destroy drones that encroach. As in many areas of today's world, technology has jumped ahead of any ethical considerations.

 

[LeeRevell]

Laws and rules are only for the honest folks.  The others we call "criminals".  

 

[SternWake]

Criminals!? Some might consider themselves outlaws, but most these days simply think laws apply only to other people, because they are simply so special and important.

A few weeks Ago I was out surfing when a drone started hovering over the lineup. As I rode a wave this thing followed me, and it was annoying and distracting, and I was irritated. It was like a mosquito buzzing around one's head, and I fully understand the shotgun impulse these things invoke in some.

But I would be interested in seeing the footage.

A while back, when I-40 was closed due to a fire, the water dropping planes and helicopters refused to fly, as there were several drones flying in the area.

One drone sucked into an engine, and lives are lost, and the fire gets worse.

There does need to be more common sense initiated by the fliers of drones, and less of the common attitude that 'I can do whatever I want, since I have no regard for anything but myself and my own deisres'

Narcissism needs to be addressed in our culture, instead of promoted and encouraged and rewarded and accepted.

Inconsideration for others make me want go become an outlaw with a shotgun whenever I witness it.

freaking humans.

Misanthropic mood.....rising.

Watch the fish, think of my happy place. Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[skyl4rk]

I predict the rise of the anti-drones firing drone to drone missles.

 

[StarEcho]

My brother is big into RC planes and the last 2 years I have attended the airshow his group puts on in Phoenix after RTR.  He got his ham radio license because he said that the frequency the plane uses for remote viewing was included in the ham frequencies. (Or something like that...when he talks RC, I hear blah, blah, blah, plane, blah, blah blah ) 

He told me that he has to be within sight of the plane though.  He can't just fly it off anywhere.  He said he's not allowed to fly it over people's houses.  At the show he had to have a person "spotting" for him.  Someone to keep an eye on all the other planes in the sky along with his.  It seemed like a very controlled hobby.  I think the problems that are being reported are the result of idiots who think the rules don't apply to them.

 

[LeeRevell]

My brother is big into RC planes and the last 2 years I have attended the airshow his group puts on in Phoenix after RTR.  He got his ham radio license because he said that the frequency the plane uses for remote viewing was included in the ham frequencies. (Or something like that...when he talks RC, I hear blah, blah, blah, plane, blah, blah blah ) 

He told me that he has to be within sight of the plane though.  He can't just fly it off anywhere.  He said he's not allowed to fly it over people's houses.  At the show he had to have a person "spotting" for him.  Someone to keep an eye on all the other planes in the sky along with his.  It seemed like a very controlled hobby.  I think the problems that are being reported are the result of idiots who think the rules don't apply to them.

Exactly my point.  Thanks.

 

[gcal]

No problem, not for long anyway. Laws and regs can change. They aren't chiseled in stone. Enough incidents will occur with people flying these things in residential neighborhoods, over people's back yards, invading their privacy that the things will eventually be banned in all but specifically designated areas. You can holler about victims of this harassment loosing any right to privacy as soon as they stick a toe outdoors all you want. But that only stands as long as enough people agree with you.

 

[mockturtle]

Since there have already been incidents where firefighters have been hindered by drones presumably flying over the fire to get photographs, it's only a matter of time.